Lucy(Elfen Lied) vs Saitama(One-Punch Man)

[StorytellingDemonKing]

Lucy vs Saitama

• Fighting location: Tokyo
• Starting distance: 25 meters
• Both are in-character
• Speed is not equal
• Both 5-C versions are used

Lucy: 8(AceOfSpaces3709, XSOULOFCINDERX, Vizer04, CBslayerR, StorytellingDemonKing, Migue79, DarkLucyy, GlaceonGamez471)
Saitama:

 

[MishimaBloodline]

I don't recall Saitama ever hitting first, which could be used to Lucy's advantage.

 

[CBslayeR]

AP for both?

 

[AceOfSpaces3709]

AP for both?

Lucy's AP is 210.75 Exatons of TNT

Saitama's AP is much higher than 41.66 Exatons of TNT

meaning Lucy has a 5x advantage

 

[Arceus0x]

Is her personal durability 5-C or is she a glass canon?

Because saitama can tank a few of them hits since I'm pretty sure he upscales and if Lucy is not 5-C in dura then a shockwave would deal with her

 

[M_Animefan]

Lucy vs Saitama

• Fighting location: Tokyo
• Starting distance: 25 meters
• Both are in-character
• Speed is equalized
• Both 5-C versions are used

Lucy:
Saitama:

doesnt lucy basically one shot because of her Vectors?

 

[AceOfSpaces3709]

doesnt lucy basically one shot because of her Vectors?

Yeah, I think Lucy stomps considering one of her common attacks is phasing her vectors into people and tearing them apart or exploding them from inside, and Saitama has no way of seeing or interacting with the vectors unless they’re vibrating at high frequencies

 

[StorytellingDemonKing]

Is her personal durability 5-C or is she a glass canon?

Because saitama can tank a few of them hits since I'm pretty sure he upscales and if Lucy is not 5-C in dura then a shockwave would deal with her

Yeah from what it looks like she is a glass canon. Though I'm on chapter 75 and it does seem like diclonius can use the vectors to protect against all round attacks like explosions so I think she could somewhat protect herself.

doesnt lucy basically one shot because of her Vectors?

I don't remember exactly what's needed but I don't think a 5x advantage was enough. It was like 7.5 IIRC. Could be remembering wrong though.

Yeah, I think Lucy stomps considering one of her common attacks is phasing her vectors into people and tearing them apart or exploding them from inside, and Saitama has no way of seeing or interacting with the vectors unless they’re vibrating at high frequencies

Well yeah they could be a massive disadvantage for Saitama.

Maybe I should change it to bloodlusted for Saitama or wait till other people have more arguments for him?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Saitama literally can't hurt her since he has to somehow get through her Forcefield which can Tank attacks on her Vector's Level.

 

[StorytellingDemonKing]

Yeah fair point. So I guess this is a stomp then.

 

[Alexander]

Hey what the hell are the vectors?

 

[Alexander]

and saitama if you bother him a lot he will attack you first (that is if lucy approaches at high speed normally saitama will attack her)

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Hey what the hell are the vectors?

Her Invisible Arm things that come out of her back.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

and saitama if you bother him a lot he will attack you first (that is if lucy approaches at high speed normally saitama will attack her)

It doesn't matter if he attacks first, which he won't in this situation because Lucy mostly fights while completely stationary thanks to the fact that her Vectors are invisible and have a lot of Range.

 

[Alexander]

It doesn't matter if he attacks first, which he won't in this situation because Lucy mostly fights while completely stationary thanks to the fact that her Vectors are invisible and have a lot of Range.

you're telling me that this I don't know who or whoever it is attacks from a distance like a sniper

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

you're telling me that this I don't know who or whoever it is attacks from a distance like a sniper

Not necessarily. She will usually be within your vision, it's just that her attacks are literally 28 invisible arms that are really long so she doesn't really have to move to attack you.

 

[Alexander]

Saitama throws a punch at the arms and breaks them, since he could detect them

 

[Alexander]

and a question can power be increased if a character has it suppressed

 

[StorytellingDemonKing]

Saitama throws a punch at the arms and breaks them, since he could detect them

They are invisible. Also as someone pointed out Lucy's arms scale to 210 exatons while Saitama is 41 exatons. Pretty massive advantage in Lucy's favor.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Saitama throws a punch at the arms and breaks them, since he could detect them

Lucy's Vectors are literally 5× Stronger than Saitama. Also, prove that Saitama can detect her Vectors because you need ESP to be able to detect their presence or outright see them.

 

[shansome]

Lucy's Vectors are literally 5× Stronger than Saitama. Also, prove that Saitama can detect her Vectors because you need ESP to be able to detect their presence or outright see them.

Saitama can see/hear mental and spiritual spaces from the outside, but that probably isn't enough to detect invisible vectors. Saitama should probably upscale from that AP value since all of his mentioned feats have no effort behind them and similar AP values don't put a scratch on him.
Do her normal attacks ignore durability? Cause then he's probably ****** with speed equalized.

 

[Alexander]

Saitama can see/hear mental and spiritual spaces from the outside, but that probably isn't enough to detect invisible vectors. Saitama should probably upscale from that AP value since all of his mentioned feats have no effort behind them and similar AP values don't put a scratch on him.
Do her normal attacks ignore durability? Cause then he's probably ****** with speed equalized.

technically his attacks deny durability since some of them can knock out and leave several characters without memory (he did it several times with garou and once with genos) and although he does not know martial arts, in reality he is still capable of applying techniques of martial arts unconsciously (the karate chop for example)

 

[StorytellingDemonKing]

Saitama can see/hear mental and spiritual spaces from the outside, but that probably isn't enough to detect invisible vectors. Saitama should probably upscale from that AP value since all of his mentioned feats have no effort behind them and similar AP values don't put a scratch on him.
Do her normal attacks ignore durability? Cause then he's probably ****** with speed equalized.

I don't think upscaling would allow you to close a 5x gap. Also yeah dura neg is pretty casual for her.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Saitama can see/hear mental and spiritual spaces from the outside, but that probably isn't enough to detect invisible vectors. Saitama should probably upscale from that AP value since all of his mentioned feats have no effort behind them and similar AP values don't put a scratch on him.
Do her normal attacks ignore durability? Cause then he's probably ****** with speed equalized.

Even if he massively upscales, upscaling alone isn't gonna get you past a 5× AP Difference that increases to the point of One-Shotting herself in Base when she gets Enraged.

 

[Alexander]

I don't think upscaling would allow you to close a 5x gap. Also yeah dura neg is pretty casual for her.

he has resistance to that, since no character has done anything to him, even when some knew how to attack pressure points or controlling spiritual or aura

 

[CBslayeR]

Saitama has never resisted matter manip

 

[Alexander]

Saitama has never resisted matter manip

cof cof,tatsumaki,cof cof

 

[CBslayeR]

I thought it was matter manip but its actually phasing, Saitama's never fought anything that can just phase your heart out of your chest. Its not like anything in OPM

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Even if he could somehow, he doesn't resist Lucy punching him with her Vectors and literally nuking him to death with a Radioactive Explosion.

 

[Alexander]

I thought it was matter manip but its actually phasing, Saitama's never fought anything that can just phase your heart out of your chest. Its not like anything in OPM

how about trying to manipulate your aura/spirit and it doesn't work

 

[Alexander]

Even if he could somehow, he doesn't resist Lucy punching him with her Vectors and literally nuking him to death with a Radioactive Explosion.

Saitama was in space, in damn space, in that place there is no oxygen, or atmosphere that protects from space radiation

 

[CBslayeR]

how about trying to manipulate your aura/spirit and it doesn't work

Literally not the same power, she vibrates like the Flash does to phase through objects

 

[CBslayeR]

This is kind of a stomp for Lucy atm because of vectors blocking everything, make speed unequal so Saitama has an actual wincon of just blitzing her vectors and pasting her. Saitama will job in character so its still fair to Lucy at the same time and he can't see vectors

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Saitama was in space, in damn space, in that place there is no oxygen, or atmosphere that protects from space radiation

Yeah, we treat Space Radiation as different than the Radiation we use for Nukes. Even then, has Saitama ever resisted the heat of a Nuclear Bomb before? No, he hasn't

This is kind of a stomp for Lucy atm because of vectors blocking everything, make speed unequal so Saitama has an actual wincon of just blitzing her vectors and pasting her. Saitama will job in character so its still fair to Lucy at the same time and he can't see vectors

Even if Speed was Unequalized, this Lucy has a Passive Forcefield that can Tank attacks on her Vectors' Level that he would have to somehow punch through first.

 

[CBslayeR]

Even if he could somehow, he doesn't resist Lucy punching him with her Vectors and literally nuking him to death with a Radioactive Explosion.

You don't die instantly from radiation lol, Lucy also isn't anywhere close to oneshotting since its a 5x gap that Saitama MASSIVELY upscales from

 

[Alexander]

Yeah, we treat Space Radiation as different than the Radiation we use for Nukes. Even then, has Saitama ever resisted the heat of a Nuclear Bomb before? No, he hasn't

Even if Speed was Unequalized, this Lucy has a Passive Forcefield that can Tank attacks on her Vectors' Level that he would have to somehow punch through first.

They launched like many high-temperature attacks that did nothing to him, I even treated them as a joke or only something heat but not so heat, perhaps God has to throw a supernova at him and say: it burns in the heat of this supernova, which burns more than all the suns of existence

 

[CBslayeR]

Even if Speed was Unequalized, this Lucy has a Passive Forcefield that can Tank attacks on her Vectors' Level that he would have to somehow punch through first.

Where does it say they're passive? Also the speed gap should be enough for him to just rapidly punch it until it breaks since the AP gap isn't that bad

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

They launched like many high-temperature attacks that did nothing to him, I even treated them as a joke or only something heat but not so heat, perhaps God has to throw a supernova at him and say: it burns in the heat of this supernova, which burns more than all the suns of existence

It doesn't matter if they were High Temperature, can you prove they were hotter than a Nuclear Explosion?

 

[Alexander]

Where does it say they're passive? Also the speed gap should be enough for him to just rapidly punch it until it breaks since the AP gap isn't that bad

because saitama just doesn't do as usual, the enemy is dangerous, saitama takes it seriously, increases his power to do one shot and that's it. or that he is not allowed in these duels to use more power

 

[Migue79]

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Ngl, I think this is a stomp in eitherway. If speed is equal, then Lucy just outmuscles, rangestomps and haxstomps. If it's unequal, Saitama just blitzes and one-shots. Remember that by SBA, he'll try to win the match so it's not like he'll just let himself get hit.