Low 6-B Bone Crusher Tournament: Group A - August (Fairy Tail) vs Sage Mode Hashirama (Naruto)

[DemonicDude]

Group A:
Round 5:
Same Rules as stated in the Tournament.
Hashirama looks to make it to 4 points on the points table inching towards the semi on the other corner with 2 points August looks to create a massive upset after knocking off Alibaba in his first match, It's Ninja vs Mage ! who gets 4 points ?
Results:
Sage Mode Hashirama (Naruto):
August (Fairy Tail): win via (Stomp)
Inconclusive:

 

[Nierre]

Following

 

[Razor]

What does august start with? Hashi starts with wood golem iirc (that or the wood dragon)

 

[Zackra1799]

August typically leads with his power null + copy hax. And given FT Magic is basically the same as Senjutsu (Atmospheric Natural energy) they would equalize. August would lead with nulling Hashi's Sage mode, copying said sage mode, and using it against him.

 

[Razor]

August typically leads with his power null + copy hax. And given FT Magic is basically the same as Senjutsu (Atmospheric Natural energy) they would equalize. August would lead with nulling Hashi's Sage mode, copying said sage mode, and using it against him.

A user taking in senjutsu to use sage mode when they don't know how to control sage energy doesn't really go well. Also no, Senjutsu isn't just natural energy, Its natural energy + chakra which is spiritual energy

 

[AnonymousBlank]

That’s …. what Magic is?

 

[BlackeJan]

I remember someone in a vs battle said that magic and chakra aren’t the same

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

I remember someone in a vs battle said that magic and chakra aren’t the same

Nobody ever mentioned Magic and Chakra being the same here though?

All that's been said here is that Magic Power and Senjutsu are the same.

 

[Razor]

That’s …. what Magic is?

The "pour our entire soul" statement just sounds like they're putting in effort to turn it into something else not that they are actually using their spiritiual energy and then combining it with natural energy, unless the spiritual statement is somewhere else in the scan I don't think they are the same.

 

[TheForgottenKing]

Magic itself likely already has a spiritual competent as magic it self already has its own soul

Franmalth’s curse ability allows him to absorb souls as seen when he absorbed the soul of an already dead hades and he was able to gain hades magic power

and we also see that Franmalth is able to absorb the “soul” of Natsu dragon roar attack as he says he is able to absorb “magical souls” as well as the souls of humans and celestial spirits Link

and it’s also stated by Erza when Hades uses black magic in order to creat creatures from rubble that each creature has a “soul made of magic” Link

and this makes sense as it’s been hinted at that “magic it self is alive”Link

and this is pretty much confirmed as seen when “powerful magic” can come alive and and manifest it self into the physical world and take over and consume and kill it’s user Link

 

[Razor]

Magic itself likely already has a spiritual competent as magic it self already has its own soul

Franmalth’s curse ability allows him to absorb souls as seen when he absorbed the soul of an already dead hades and he was able to gain hades magic power

and we also see that Franmalth is able to absorb the “soul” of Natsu dragon roar attack as he says he is able to absorb “magical souls” as well as the souls of humans and celestial spirits Link

and it’s also stated by Erza when Hades uses black magic in order to creat creatures from rubble that each creature has a “soul made of magic” Link

and this makes sense as it’s been hinted at that “magic it self is alive”Link

and this is pretty much confirmed as seen when “powerful magic” can come alive and and manifest it self into the physical world and take over and consume and kill it’s user Link

I don't think anything you just said hints to magic having been mixed with actual spiritual energy of a person.

Absorbing souls doesn't mean your energy system is comprised of spiritual energy.

Again, Absorbing souls doesn't mean your energy system is comprised of spiritual energy.

Their soul is made of magic, that does not mean that said magic has spiritual energy mixed into it

This does not mean they have a soul or spiritual energy imbued into them. And even then that just makes it not similar to chakra or senjutsu at all since neither of those are even close to being alive.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

If souls are comprised of/contain magic and we have a statement of how magic is made that specifically mentions that you “pour your entire soul” into it, it’s safe to say that it does involve combining the Ethernano with your soul. The very fact that magic has a soul means that the soul part needs to be coming from somewhere because it sure isn’t the Ethernano or else it would just be called magic from the get go.

August, as a master of all magic in the world, also scales to Irene in terms of magic and she can (teach Wendy to) imbue Spirior (spiritual energy) into herself to combine her attacks with it.

But since people are weirdly hung up on arguing that August can’t copy SM, I’ll just argue why he claps without any of that. He just reads Hashi’s mind, hits the guy with a blitz worthy timeslow, and spawns mountain vaping nukes that (one shot) under the man all while making anything that isn’t flesh and blood miss him with Reflector. He can also sense when someone is sensing him and change what they are sensing from 1000+ miles away to evade notice.

 

[TheForgottenKing]

If souls are comprised of/contain magic and we have a statement of how magic is made that specifically mentions that you “pour your entire soul” into it, it’s safe to say that it does involve combining the Ethernano with your soul. The very fact that magic has a soul means that the soul part needs to be coming from somewhere because it sure isn’t the Ethernano or else it would just be called magic from the get go.

This is basically what I was saying

magic energy is just nature energy

in order to use magic one must train their body tbecome a vessel that is capable of becoming one with nature it self
which then allows the mage to absorb ethernano(As stated by Capricorn and Lucy)
And then they combine the ethernano with their own soul in order to creat magic spells(as stated by Makarov)


And Wendy even states that ethernano and spinor are similar despite them being different
so they share similarities between them likely meaning that both contain nature energy and require spiritual energy to use


Plus I don’t see how "pour our entire soul" can be interpreted In any other way I mean it can’t mean they use “a lot of effort” as Makrov already states that it takes a great amount of will power and concentration to use magic so it already requires a-lot of effort

he stated that “even more than that” meaning in order to use magic it takes more than just a lot of effort to use

it requires the wave length within nature and the wavelength within the mage(aka their soul/life force) to become one in order to use magic

 

[Razor]

If souls are comprised of/contain magic and we have a statement of how magic is made that specifically mentions that you “pour your entire soul” into it, it’s safe to say that it does involve combining the Ethernano with your soul. The very fact that magic has a soul means that the soul part needs to be coming from somewhere because it sure isn’t the Ethernano or else it would just be called magic from the get go.

August, as a master of all magic in the world, also scales to Irene in terms of magic and she can (teach Wendy to) imbue Spirior (spiritual energy) into herself to combine her attacks with it.

But since people are weirdly hung up on arguing that August can’t copy SM, I’ll just argue why he claps without any of that. He just reads Hashi’s mind, hits the guy with a blitz worthy timeslow, and spawns mountain vaping nukes that (one shot) under the man all while making anything that isn’t flesh and blood miss him with Reflector. He can also sense when someone is sensing him and change what they are sensing from 1000+ miles away to evade notice.

The statement saying "pour your entire soul" is so common in fiction and it always refers to putting in hard work instead of actually having soul in it. And even if it did, the statement saying magic is alive makes magic and chakra or senjutsu un-equalizable because neither chakra nor senjutu energy is alive.

Even if they were equalizable it'll be august's downfall cause if he tries to use sage mode he'll turn into a frog unless he's somehow a sage mode master.

Is that his opening move? Time stopping? If so this is a stomp.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Even if they were equalizable it'll be august's downfall cause if he tries to use sage mode he'll turn into a frog unless he's somehow a sage mode master.

Why would August need to use Sage Mode when Mages already absorb their own equivalent of Natural Energy from nature AKA Ethernano?

Naruto Senjutsu = Nature Energy + Chakra (Physical Energy + Spiritual Energy)

FT Magic Power = Nature Energy/Ethernano + Something

 

[Razor]

Why would August need to use Sage Mode when Mages already absorb their own equivalent of Natural Energy from nature AKA Ethernano?

Naruto Senjutsu = Nature Energy + Chakra (Physical Energy + Spiritual Energy)

FT Magic Power = Nature Energy/Ethernano + Something

If he tries to absorb the senjutsu energy from hashirama and takes in too much he'd turn to stone won't he? And he wouldn't know that he'll get petrified if he takes in too much sage energy either

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

If he tries to absorb the senjutsu energy from hashirama and takes in too much he'd turn to stone won't he? And he wouldn't know that he'll get petrified if he takes in too much sage energy either

And why'd he need to absorb Senjutsu from Hashirama in the first place?

And where'd you get August absorbing energy from his opponents in the first place?

And another thing, Senjutsu is not Natural Energy, Senjutsu is the final product or in other words an already balanced ratio of Natural Energy and Chakra.

Opponents who absorb excess amounts of natural energy from him without the ability to properly balance it will subsequently be turned to stone and into a frog

Remember how Pain was able to absorb Sage Mode Jiraiya's Senjutsu enhanced Rasengan while Pain was unable to absorb the Natural Energy that Naruto was gathering to enter Sage Mode

 

[Razor]

And why'd he need to absorb Senjutsu from Hashirama in the first place?

And where'd you get August absorbing energy from his opponents in the first place?

And another thing, Senjutsu is not Natural Energy, Senjutsu is the final product or in other words an already balanced ratio of Natural Energy and Chakra.



Remember how Pain was able to absorb Sage Mode Jiraiya's Senjutsu enhanced Rasengan while Pain was unable to absorb the Natural Energy that Naruto was gathering to enter Sage Mode

Wouldn't his power mimicry automatically give him senjutsu since he's gonna copy sage mode which requires sage energy? If he doesn't absorb the senjutsu then how is he going to mimic sage mode, plus its not even a technique or a power, its a form so I'm kinda iffy with him just copying a form but even then this looks like a stomp since he start with time stop

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Wouldn't his power mimicry automatically give him senjutsu since he's gonna copy sage mode which requires sage energy? If he doesn't absorb the senjutsu then how is he going to mimic sage mode, plus its not even a technique or a power, its a form so I'm kinda iffy with him just copying a form but even then this looks like a stomp since he start with time stop

Hence the Verse Equalization

Similar supernatural aspects of verses get equalized in a reasonable fashion. So a supernatural energy that almost everyone in a Verse has, which is necessary to fight the characters of said Verse, will be assumed to be the equivalent energy that the opponents use in their techniques so that a proper fight can happen.

Furthermore, attacks that require a special type of energy to be effective, like anti-magic requiring magic, will be assumed to work against the energies of different Verses, as long as they are somehow similar and the mechanics are somehow compatible with the known mechanics behind the energies from different Verses.

It is also important to note that characters won't lose or gain any abilities or resistances which they do or do not inherently possess.

Naruto's Sage Mode's Passive Abilities are not passed onto Fairy Tail's Magic Power, the only thing Equalized is the Energies

 

[Razor]

Hence the Verse Equalization


Naruto's Sage Mode's Passive Abilities are not passed onto Fairy Tail's Magic Power, the only thing Equalized is the Energies

i If the energies are equalized then that means the rule of turning into a frog if you take in too much nature energy will apply to both sides does it not? It isn't fair that august is allowed to copy SM due to verse equalization but hashirama won't get the advantage of the aforementioned rule. But none of these matter because I made a mistake and that is hashirama's already a sage meaning the energy august will get will already be senjutsu and not natural energy and senjutsu is already a balanced ratio of natura energy and chakra as you mentioned above.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

i If the energies are equalized then that means the rule of turning into a frog if you take in too much nature energy will apply to both sides does it not? It isn't fair that august is allowed to copy SM due to verse equalization but hashirama won't get the advantage of the aforementioned rule.

Fairy Tail Mages passively absorb Natural Energy/Ethernano from their environment due to their biology and passively convert it to Magic Power

Naruto Sages need to actively absorb Natural Energy from their environment and need to actively balance it to create Senjutsu.

 

[Razor]

Fairy Tail Mages passively absorb Natural Energy/Ethernano from their environment due to their biology and passively convert it to Magic Power

Naruto Sages need to actively absorb Natural Energy from their environment and need to actively balance it to create Senjutsu.

I don't really get this, this might just mean that the natural energy in FT doesn't have the same properties as the natural energy in naruto that makes it so that if you take in a lot of it you get petrified, which verse equalization will take care of. But again none of this will really matter, this is a stomp since august starts with slowing down time

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

I don't really get this, this might just mean that the natural energy in FT doesn't have the same properties as the natural energy in naruto that makes it so that if you take in a lot of it you get petrified, which verse equalization will take care of.

Or you know a weakness to Sages in Naruto unlike Jūgo, Kabuto, Mitsuki or the Toads

 

[Razor]

Or you know a weakness to Sages in Naruto unlike Jūgo, Kabuto, Mitsuki or the Toads

What? Why would it be a specific weakness to the sages? And it's not just to the sages either, anyone who tries to learn senjutsu in the naruto verse would be faced with this challenge too, which if your statement is true, means that everyone in naruto has a specific weakness.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

What? Why would it be a specific weakness to the sages? And it's not just to the sages either, anyone who tries to learn senjutsu in the naruto verse would be faced with this challenge too, which if your statement is true, means that everyone in naruto has a specific weakness.

Wasn't that obvious already? I specified Sages because they're the only ones actively dabbling with Natural Energy other than God Trees

There two groups of Natural Energy users in Naruto:

One that has to learn to harness Natural Energy, while the other can passively harness Natural Energy due to their biology.

 

[Razor]

Wasn't that obvious already? I specified Sages because they're the only ones actively dabbling with Natural Energy other than God Trees

There two groups of Natural Energy users in Naruto:

One that has to learn to harness Natural Energy, while the other can passively harness Natural Energy due to their biology.

Wdym passively harness natural energy due to their biology? Sage mode users who can harness natural energy proficiently are already masters of sage mode. Who passively harnesses natural energy due to biology?

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Wdym passively harness natural energy due to their biology? Sage mode users who can harness natural energy proficiently are already masters of sage mode.

Sigh... Sage Mode users need to recharge when they run out of Senjutsu, those that have Sage Transformation can passively absorb Natural Energy to keep on fighting.

Who passively harnesses natural energy due to biology?

Sage Transformation (仙人化, Senninka) is a way of attaining Sage Mode, using a bodily reaction exhibited by members of Jūgo's clan. By exposing their special body fluids to natural energy, they gain increased physical capabilities and the ability to perform various shape-shifting feats.

Kabuto, having assimilated Jūgo's DNA, uses this transformation to enter Sage Mode.

 

[Razor]

Sigh... Sage Mode users need to recharge when they run out of Senjutsu, those that have Sage Transformation can passively absorb Natural Energy to keep on fighting.

Sage Transformation (仙人化, Senninka) is a way of attaining Sage Mode, using a bodily reaction exhibited by members of Jūgo's clan. By exposing their special body fluids to natural energy, they gain increased physical capabilities and the ability to perform various shape-shifting feats.

Kabuto, having assimilated Jūgo's DNA, uses this transformation to enter Sage Mode.

I still don't really get how this means that the downside of senjutsu won't apply when equalized, plus this is just something specific to jugo's clan I'm pretty sure. But I'll concede on this point, because the match's result is already decided.

 

[DemonicDude]

Can someone summarize whether copying the abilites would work or not ? I'm a little far behind on the thread so I can move on to the next match ?

 

[Razor]

Can someone summarize whether copying the abilites would work or not ? I'm a little far behind on the thread so I can move on to the next match ?

its a stomp either way because august leads with blitz worthy time slow

 

[Nierre]

well no he doesn't lead with it.

He only used it because he fought a dude who could use speed magic.

So yes, he can use it and may, but he definitely won't start with it.

 

[Nierre]

Aka Hashirama still has a chance of victory

 

[AnonymousBlank]

August chose to nuke Natsu, Lucy, Happy and Mest by spawning a mountain wide pillar of fire under them despite no one using fire magic at all, let alone against him. August likes to flex on people by slapping them with their own magic but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t give them the business with the rest of his arsenal if need be (used Fire DSM and Sleep hax when Mest used memory hax, barriers instead of nulling Laxus’ lightning, laser finger to kill Mira etc). By arguing that he doesn’t just Copy and null the SM and Wood Release, he now moves onto the rest of his kit, half of which stop Hashi from hitting him and the other put Hashi down almost immediately.

 

[Nierre]

August chose to nuke Natsu, Lucy, Happy and Mest by spawning a mountain wide pillar of fire under them despite no one using fire magic at all, let alone against him. August likes to flex on people by slapping them with their own magic but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t give them the business with the rest of his arsenal if need be (used Fire DSM and Sleep hax when Mest used memory hax, barriers instead of nulling Laxus’ lightning, laser finger to kill Mira etc). By arguing that he doesn’t just Copy and null the SM and Wood Release, he now moves onto the rest of his kit, half of which stop Hashi from hitting him and the other put Hashi down almost immediately.

Well yes I'm aware.

I'm just saying he probably won't start with it.