Lord of the Rings Discussion Thread

[Hsharpe]

Yeah, the Ainur are stuck so long as Eä exists. They are bound to its life. Once it's ended, they can begin the Second Music. However, exceptions do exist, with Gandalf managing to get out after incarnate death. Though this is 99.99% due to Eru's intervention.

It does make me wonder: if the Ainur are generally unable to leave Eä, how was Morgoth able to be put outside of it in the Timeless Void in that case? Was there a sort of mechanic that made Morgoth an exception, or something else entirely?

Another question: Regarding the Sons of Fëanor (i.e Maedhros, Maglor, etc.) and Children of Fingolfin (i.e Fingon, Turgon, Aredhel, etc.), would they theoretically be around the adolescent/teenager range of age despite being, y'know thousands of years old?

 

[Tyranno223]

It does make me wonder: if the Ainur are generally unable to leave Eä, how was Morgoth able to be put outside of it in the Timeless Void in that case? Was there a sort of mechanic that made Morgoth an exception, or something else entirely?

Tbf, it's weird imo as well. Still, he doesn't have any agency in the Void and it's not like he was shoved "far" given he will return one day. The Void is genuinely just a weird concept in Tolkien as it's very much referring to just pure nothingness with not much else to it. It's bizarre.

 

[Hsharpe]

Could the Nazgûl and the Witch-king use Soul Manipulation and Possession in the same manner as Sauron can?