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Lord of the Rings Discussion Thread

Also, a question that I feel like has an obvious answer to:

Could the Ainur in their true forms and the Sub-creators/Authors/Writers create multiverses or even omniverses (with complex dimensional structures that include stuff like alephs, cardinals, beyond-dimensional realms, etc.) from their thoughts and then destroy them just as easily?
 
Hsharpe said:
Question:

In a rematch, could Sauron defeat Huan despite losing to him once?
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Tbh, Huan's a bad match up for Sauron. He's fated not to die by his hands, magic/enchantments will not "stay him", and he's a serious physical powerhouse.

With the One Ring and at his height, I think Sauron wins. In a rematch at the First Age? Idk, more of a toss-up but I bet Huan more.
 
They're apparently saying Eru is limited by logic and other stuff like that. Any contentions to this?
 
Hsharpe said:
They're apparently saying Eru is limited by logic and other stuff like that. Any contentions to this?
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Also Eru having consciousness, being glad and all that emotional things too. I'll post the quotes here.

It's also implied he has some form of consciousness, being capable of having concern for something, knowledge of happenings and the capability to understand something.
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There's more supporting him having a consciousness by the way, and pretty damning evidence for it, considering he's capable of speech and the capability of feeling glad.
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Hsharpe said:
They're apparently saying Eru is limited by logic and other stuff like that. Any contentions to this?
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btw, this is not a general power scaling wiki, this is a Nasuverse scaling wiki. Most of power scaling admins are here are dedicated Nasuverse fans, yog-sothoth/Supreme archetype was downgrade 1-A + due to perceived inconsistencies in his ineffability" and the non-canonical nature of Lovecraft's letters regarding Yog-sothoth. in addition they highballed Nasuverse characters to 1-T or even higher tiers.
 
Tolkien:
“We have come from God, and inevitably the myths woven by us, though they contain error, will also reflect a splintered fragment of the true light, the eternal truth that is with God. Indeed only by myth-making, only by becoming 'sub-creator' and inventing stories, can Man aspire to the state of perfection that he knew before the Fall. Our myths may be misguided, but they steer however shakily towards the true harbour, while materialistic 'progress' leads only to a yawning abyss and the Iron Crown of the power of evil.”
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This reasoning was influential in leading C.S. Lewis to convert from atheism to Christianity.
 
Hsharpe said:
They're apparently saying Eru is limited by logic and other stuff like that. Any contentions to this?
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Tolkien has a contradictory stance here somewhat. Regarding the indestructiblity of souls, it is implied he logically cannot contradict himself as Eru is their sustainer and therefore cannot also be their destroyer. However, it is stated that Eru can also bypass his foundations, thereby meaning Eru can bypass logical contradiction. Ultimately I didn't check further as it doesn't matter for this wiki.

Btw, real life is making me busy in case people wonder why I'm quiet these days. Still haven't even started on implementing the approved elven revision
 
Tyranno223 said:
Tolkien has a contradictory stance here somewhat. Regarding the indestructiblity of souls, it is implied he logically cannot contradict himself as Eru is their sustainer and therefore cannot also be their destroyer. However, it is stated that Eru can also bypass his foundations, thereby meaning Eru can bypass logical contradiction. Ultimately I didn't check further as it doesn't matter for this wiki.

Btw, real life is making me busy in case people wonder why I'm quiet these days. Still haven't even started on implementing the approved elven revision
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Since I got you for the moment, how big exactly was Sauron's Storm in TA and was it made of clouds or volcano ash?
 
If J.R.R. Tolkien expressed the idea that the nature of God (Eru Ilúvatar) The Incarnation of God is infinitely greater than anything he could have dared to write, Does it imply the limitations of language? when it comes to concepts of God in his works, who transcends everything and is something that cannot be described and defined?
 
I noticed in the Black breath section of the Witch-king's profile, it says: "The Black Breath is a poisonous aura that surrounds Nazgul, draining the life from those around them to the point that Merry was knocked unconscious by it and could induce nightmares."

In the bold text, it says the Black breath could induce nightmares. Would this be a form of Dream Manipulation?
 
Hsharpe said:
I noticed in the Black breath section of the Witch-king's profile, it says: "The Black Breath is a poisonous aura that surrounds Nazgul, draining the life from those around them to the point that Merry was knocked unconscious by it and could induce nightmares."

In the bold text, it says the Black breath could induce nightmares. Would this be a form of Dream Manipulation?
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Seems likely, even downright comas (like with Faramir).
 
LegendariumOfLies said:
Since I got you for the moment, how big exactly was Sauron's Storm in TA and was it made of clouds or volcano ash?
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Sorry, which storm exactly? If you're talking about the darkness covering the Pelennor Fields, I believe he literally covered the land with darkness (which the wind seems to blow away as intervention from Valinor). At worst it was clouds.
 
Heya
I'm thinking about making Aragorn fight another very cool character, this time it's Joe Yabuki from Ashita no Joe

(It posted by itself lol. Anyway: ) both at 9-B, again Aragorn is not with Andúril, instead with a steel sword, they start 3m apart and are equalized in speed.

You guys think it'd be a cool discussion to have?
 
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noninho said:
Heya
I'm thinking about making Aragorn fight another very cool character, this time it's Joe Yabuki from Ashita no Joe

(It posted by itself lol. Anyway: ) both at 9-B, again Aragorn is not with Andúril, instead with a steel sword, they start 3m apart and are equalized in speed.

You guys think it'd be a cool discussion to have?
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I changed it a bit but just posted. Would be nice to see anyone there
 
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