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This series deserve a better adaptation.
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Invincible season 3 discussion
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I think the adaptation is good, the animation is what kinda sucks.
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It’s to stop KE that’s going by at like MHS+ but only cracks a wall where the actual KE would’ve blown it apart.
Hmm, fair. Yeah rewatching it the explosions were still expanding before cutting out. Probably best to do this in another thread but idk. Gonna change the comment on the calc
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Very cool recent episode.
Semi-related, why is the Immortal still ranked as Low 6-B? It's clear that he's massively outclassed by the top tiers in the verse.
Semi-related, why is the Immortal still ranked as Low 6-B? It's clear that he's massively outclassed by the top tiers in the verse.
- He's been easily killed by Low 6-B characters consistently. Both Omni-Man kills were basically one-shots once he landed a clean hit, and the alternate Omni-Man cut through him like paper.
- Alternate Invincible crushed Immortal's head easily, who chronologically should be around season 2 levels, and in the latest episode
Mark easily ripped Immortal's head off once he started trying.
- Season 2 Invincible states and proves that he is stronger and faster than the Immortal, and he himself is far below Omni-Man himself (though in that case the backscaling is sort of acceptable). We also have recent proof where the Immortal has a somewhat even fight with a Mauler twin, while start of season 2 Invincible was able to beat numerous of them before being overwhelmed, and Oliver easily one-shot them.
- Immortal was unable to harm Allen with any of his attacks except an eye poke, with Allen being comparable to
high ranking viltrumites/Omni-Man. Even if Allen was holding back vs Omni-Man's executioner, he still admits he could have been killed by that viltrumite
- The Immortal's best showings are in scenarios where he has significant advantages. In the initial Guardians fight, he loses a 7v1 and by the time he can draw blood with his attacks, Omni-Man is already restrained and weakened from Red Rush's assault, who hit him hundreds of times. In the episode 7 fight, Omni-Man is fatigued and distracted with Mark's fight with the monster, and the only lasting damage that Immortal deals is, again, an eye poke. Also, despite how we usually scale things, Invincible is very liberal with blood splatter and I don't think it's that concrete to be used for scaling.
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I’m guessing cause he was still able to draw blood from them and cause Invincible has a glass cannon issue with its characters
Doesn’t really matter much anyways cause he has a 6-B feat he’ll scale to from this episode
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Thankfully not as egregious as it could've been. That Viltrumite looked to be around Nolan's level, and so while he can cause internal damage with a single blow, Allen still just layed there when he could've continued fighting.
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It was the gums, the most durable of flesh. Immortal 1A babyyy
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I second this, but it's still decent. I hope we get a TWD comic show some day.
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Is there a way to put both Mark and Eve on a matchup that isn't Mark statstomping or Eve haxstomping ?
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Was the Immortal's motivation in this arc in the comics as stupid?
He accuses Mark of inaction, which causes innocent people to die, while his ego did not allow him to leave the post. He has already lived for several thousand years, if not more. He had already lost loved ones many times. Hell, he even had the experience of faking his own death to step down from a leadership position when he was Lincoln.
All his words just don't have any weight. He could have found smart rulers and acted as a protector himself. Something from the category of Integra and Alucard relations.
I would understand if someone had influenced his mind or if he had lost his memory due to a brain injury. But it's the same person. He is aware of his actions. He realizes that he is doing the wrong thing.
He just behaves like a moody kid in a store, only he doesn't ask for a set of legos, but for his head to be torn off.
He accuses Mark of inaction, which causes innocent people to die, while his ego did not allow him to leave the post. He has already lived for several thousand years, if not more. He had already lost loved ones many times. Hell, he even had the experience of faking his own death to step down from a leadership position when he was Lincoln.
All his words just don't have any weight. He could have found smart rulers and acted as a protector himself. Something from the category of Integra and Alucard relations.
I would understand if someone had influenced his mind or if he had lost his memory due to a brain injury. But it's the same person. He is aware of his actions. He realizes that he is doing the wrong thing.
He just behaves like a moody kid in a store, only he doesn't ask for a set of legos, but for his head to be torn off.
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Future Mark does seem to ignore Earth after he leaves. Immortal was indeed being influenced, by a proven ruler whose ideas he was filtering for implementation, but it's still that the mental load of living so long that has gotten to him. They acknowledged the sun as being a viable way of killing himself in the show, which wasn't brought up in the comic. There also wasn't any "coward" talk, as the scene simply wasn't nearly as long as in the show.
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That is, as I understand it, it was even more ridiculous in the comic.
I don't know what you mean by the Sun, but if someone really influenced the Immortal, then this changes the situation.
It is very strange that he lived for several millennia and did not lose the desire to be a hero, but then the same period was enough for him to go crazy.
And again, based on his background, he would rather have faked his death and gone to live in the mountains, or at least killed himself in the Sun, but he preferred to become a murderer.
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It may have to do with the astronomical difference in responsibility he had in the superhero phase of his life, and that he had help from someone capable of doing the job on their own.
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It sounds logical, but last time he faked his death and began to live among ordinary people. He could find those who would rule the world, while he himself would be engaged in helping others, saving the Earth from meteorites and the like.
I understand that this time the scale is bigger, but he chose essentially the same method of suicide, but at the hands of an acquaintance, although he could also fly into the Sun and die there.
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Nolan does note that Allen was holding back to motivate him to act and Allen does admit to it.
That being said, Nolan also notes that Allen could have died if he kept that up.
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He says it because Allen portrayed it as such
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We gonna ignore the blood spatter from one punch? Obviously they could’ve killed him lol. This is consistent in the show and comic - they would’ve executed Allen along with Nolan.
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Are you referring to comic spoilers or don’t know
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Wasn't it just established in this thread simply drawing blood isn't enough to scale ? lol
Nolan said it himself, for someone who was about to die he recovered pretty quickly, and it likely isn't his Accelerated Development since we know that takes time
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(I've read the comic)
Maybe it was an alternate universe where both the past and the future are different than the main story like the Earth with intelligent dinosaurs. It was stated by Levy that Oliver is unique across all the universes he visited, and this including his other selves. He wouldn't have existed if the Main Mark wasn't the only pacifist cersion of himself atleast till CONQUEST.
Why do you assume that the future he traveled to was the main timeline ?
instead of being an alternate future that branch from it, and no paradox being created, or the brothers being erased prove it. There is also Robot saying that knowing the future could change it, or something similar.
What's the size of the cosmology ?
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How does smart atoms work ?
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Blood spatter from mouth and making him spit blood from a gut punch are 2 far-and-away different events. And real impact was being drawn when he was bashing on him. It takes common sense to see what’s cosmetic and what isn’t. Nolan said the dude would’ve killed him. This is like arguing Allen drawing blood from Anissa has equal usefulness to Immortal
bleeding Mark a bit in the recent episode. Reaction is a massive factor.
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Likely 2-B to 2-A for the show thanks to the stupid big brain guy while the comics are solidly tier 1 due to the shared Image comics cosmology. Due to budget constraints, royalties and bureaucratic red tape unfortunately the adaptation will likely be missing a ton of crossover characters (Spawn, Tech-Jacket, Supreme, etc) a couple of which are actually plot relevant in the comics outside just fanservice but I guess in return the show has more room to flesh out certain moments and panels in the comics (e.g Omni-Man Vs the Guardians of the Globe).
Tho it'll be interesting to see which stuff continues to gets altered (royalty free Spider-Man), enhanced (Infinity Ray blowing up a star) or ommitted (Allen having dinner with the Graysons) in the adaptation.
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I know, and I am.
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Spoiler
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huh, the spoiler isn't showing
whatever I'll just say it
Battle beast is low 6-B now
whatever I'll just say it
Battle beast is low 6-B now
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What a surprise
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Infinity Ray is also stated to blow up stars in the comic
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Can someone check/approve/deny this already? Been a while and 2 bumps in after evaluation.
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Also, this. Replied to a calc mod long time ago, who since hasn’t responded. This is a great feat which shouldn’t be ignored for the verse, as it’d provide further consistency for their current tiers.
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Tech Jacket tosses Kresh spaceship to the Sun calc
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Also, this. Replied to a calc mod long time ago, who since hasn’t responded. This is a great feat which shouldn’t be ignored for the verse, as it’d provide further consistency for their current tiers.
spaceship busts solar disk calc
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Ngl, I'd be as bold to say 5 seconds could be a reasonable high-end timeframe, it all happens in one panel and it's portrayed to be quickly with Zack's reaction.Can someone check/approve/deny this already? Been a while and 2 bumps in after evaluation.
Tech Jacket tosses Kresh spaceship to the Sun calc
Also, can't we also get Lifting Strength from it ?
Does it have to be divided by 3 ? They describe it as a singular objectAlso, this. Replied to a calc mod long time ago, who since hasn’t responded. This is a great feat which shouldn’t be ignored for the verse, as it’d provide further consistency for their current tiers.
spaceship busts solar disk calc
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We can ig but I cbf to add it rn. Can easily do so later just by dividing by distance.
It looks like all 3 clash into it. They say it’s a singular object despite the 3 of them being there. Like even if only Conquest clashed into it, the other 2 were close behind him bare minimum, so it should’ve tracked them too; the tracker could’ve mixed 3 tiny objects moving at equal speed close together as one.
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You'd also need to pixel-scale Zack to the ship, also how about the another high-end ?
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Why would I need to do that. Can just measure the distance of his swing
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There is no evidence that it reached the surface of the sun, it could have exploded due to extreme heat.Tech Jacket tosses Kresh spaceship to the Sun calc
This will make the size of the explosion appear larger than it actually is.
First one needs Planet Curvature Scaling done to it.spaceship busts solar disk calc
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We see the Sun's mass ejection from the surface. Not sure other indicator we need. Why would a tiny ship be causing a Jupiter-sized explosion from burning? It literally makes no sense. Not only that, but we see it protruding from the surface only - it's not omni-directional or anything either. It's quite obviously on the surface, how could you think otherwise? For your theory to work, the ship would've either had to spontaneously explode nearly a full AU distance away from the Sun (since, judging by the explosion size, it couldn't have went too far from Tech Jacket, since it's not even 100m wide) OR the Sun's heat somehow caused it to explode large enough that it's planet-sized (since the corona starts about 200km from the surface, and 1AU is about 150 million km). Choose which one you're going with. Either are genuinely infinitely less plausible than my assertion, which I believe is crystal-clear and indubitable. I'll reserve opinion for calcs mods though, and discuss it with them if need-be.
What about it needs curvature scaling lol what? Weird stipulations you're asking for here. Reread the calc.
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1 CGM member rejected this feat.
Tech Jacket throws a spaceship into the Sun
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The exact size of the planet is not visible, so you have to use this formula. Lol.
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That's fine. It was 2 years ago, and they weren't solid set on dismissing the feat due to that. I could paste my above reasoning if it comes to that, and if they're still not convinced or open for contention it's fine. Main dismissal at the end for the linked calc was usage of explosion formula in space. I made my calc knowing this one was posted already.
I honestly still don't get what you're asking. I measured out the full planet size by following the arc, regardless of the full planet being shown or not. It's common practice for pixel calcs, didn't you know this? If you're somehow referring to the planet in the Conquest scan, I have zero reason to measure from there, since i'm calculating from the solar disk feat only. If you're referring to neither of those, then please elaborate.
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Read this.
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