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Lord of the Rings Discussion Thread
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Hsharpe
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Actually hang on, lemme try this.
This came from here:
g1dbteamblogs.blogspot.com
This and this came from here:
g1dbteamblogs.blogspot.com
Just thought I'd give proper credit
This came from here:
Death Battle Predictions: Sauron VS Lich King
Sauron, the Lord of the Rings from J.R.R. Tolkien’s Middle-Earth writings. The Lich King, Master of the Scourge from Warcraft . Th...
g1dbteamblogs.blogspot.com
This and this came from here:
Death Battle Predictions: Sinestro VS Morgoth
“ Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself.” – Leo Tolstoy Thaal Sinestro , the terrifying Yellow Lan...
g1dbteamblogs.blogspot.com
Just thought I'd give proper credit
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You'd need to put the calc in a page and ask for it to be evaluated. I'm a bit occupied to deal with the extra load.Actually hang on, lemme try this.
This came from here:
Death Battle Predictions: Sauron VS Lich King
Sauron, the Lord of the Rings from J.R.R. Tolkien’s Middle-Earth writings. The Lich King, Master of the Scourge from Warcraft . Th...
This and this came from here:
Death Battle Predictions: Sinestro VS Morgoth
“ Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself.” – Leo Tolstoy Thaal Sinestro , the terrifying Yellow Lan...
Just thought I'd give proper credit
Hsharpe
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Like another thread? Cus I can do that.
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A page like this.
Calc Storage - Crying in Lammoth (The Silmarillion) - VS Battles edition
vsbattles.fandom.com
You then submit it to the Calculation Evaluation thread via a link. Also make sure to read on how to format the post for that thread.
Hsharpe
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It's been done.A page like this.
Calc Storage - Crying in Lammoth (The Silmarillion) - VS Battles edition
You then submit it to the Calculation Evaluation thread via a link. Also make sure to read on how to format the post for that thread.
Link for it is here
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Nice work!
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The link doesn't seem to be working on my end. And for the Death Battle, which is it on? The G1 Blog, the official DB wiki, or the Fanon one?
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Hsharpe
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The link is still somehow not working. It might be my internet.
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Huh... not sure what's up with that. I'm bit too busy right now, but I do need to eventually make a Imgur page for verse-wide resistances. It'll probably come once the current proposal is accepted.
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how strong can marvel abstracts like the living tribunal, eternity, etc be compared to the Ainur? . besides, I also agree with revision of high 1-A+ and 0 between Eru and Ainur.
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That's all subjective and the Marvel characters are likely to receive more revisions at some point. But for this site with the Marvel characters, if the Ainur and Eru changes go through and nothing else has changed, even a single Maia (Prior to entering Eä) would be able to solo all of Marvel.
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I forgot to mention that some Tolkien Downplayers said Eru is not boundless in the new tiering system because Eru is:
- part of a cosmological hierarchy
- Melkor can perceive it.
- he inhabits the timeless halls to which the Ainu have access.
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They just don't understand what Tier 0 is or why people say Eru is tier 0
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Eru isn't in a cosmology hierarchy and the Subcreation argument is the part of the reason he isn't iirc. Like he is beyond all Subcreations which is like all logical possible worlds (Which is High 1A+) and these possible worlds have power over Tiers below it that is High 1A hierarchies so he is above cosmological hierarchy.
Melkor can perceive it only because of Eru maybe?
Even when in Timeless Halls, Eru is stated to be beyond them too iirc.
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1. Just a blatant incorrect statement. The closest you can argue is the Primary Reality, and He's just as remote there.
2. Perceive the Halls? That's just point 3.
3. They reside in the Timeless Halls, but not even they can comprehend Eru beyond their (comparatively) finite understanding. Despite both technically (emphasis on technically) being in the Timeless Halls, Eru remains as remote, incomprehensible, and inaccessible to them as Eru is to the humans in Eä (again, on a relative scale). The Timeless Halls are a rather curious part of the Legendarium anyway, as they're beyond thought and are the abode of the highest sub-creators.
Eru occupying the Timeless Halls isn't even necessarily His entirety. Finrod's monologue on Eru (which is essentially Tolkien waffling on Eru) essentially notes Eru can manifest inside Eä while remaining outside it by His sheer omnipotence while still being as remote as before (essentially a foreshadowing of the Messiah in Eä).
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could Eru hold authority over All Logically Possible Worlds (which would be High 1-A+)?
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Sub-Creators can already achieve any possible world and they are just "refracted light" from Eru, the One.
(Really want the queue to start moving again)
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Considering the fact that the sub-creators creative power is only limited by the fact they're bound by the law of non-contradiction, I'd say considering the fact the subcreators are the faintest echo of Eru's powers, he'd at minimum would be High 1-A+
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iirc yeah because these worlds came from him like a splintering of hues from a single "White Light". He is the source and have authority over his Subcreators and their Subcreations.
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Honestly, I'm not sure how you could argue against Tier 0 Eru based on our standards. They're about as close to the Christian conception of an omnipotent God as possible without being the Abrahamic God (and pair that with Tolkein's faith and his own love of folklore and stories, and you have a character that is very clearly God with a capital G as can be).
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than i understand that tier 0 characters in the new tiering system will have powers and abilities like: omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence the same way as God (Seekers into the Mystery)
Will Eru also get these powers and abilities if he upgrades to tier 0?
Will Eru also get these powers and abilities if he upgrades to tier 0?
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Definitely.
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Essentially yes. It's the 'bread and butter' for how Tier 0's powers are formatted. It's essentially the three Omnis first, and then explains what powers they actually showed within the work they are in.
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The queue is vanquished folks. It begins.
vsbattles.com
Tolkien Tier High 1-A+ and 0 Proposal
Many thanks to Ultima for helping me with this project! This is a cosmology expansion for Tolkien's Legendarium that proposes Eru as tier 0 and the Ainur in their "Prior to entering Eä" key as High 1-A+...
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LET’S GOOOO!!!!The queue is vanquished folks. It begins.
Tolkien Tier High 1-A+ and 0 Proposal
Many thanks to Ultima for helping me with this project! This is a cosmology expansion for Tolkien's Legendarium that proposes Eru as tier 0 and the Ainur in their "Prior to entering Eä" key as High 1-A+...
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Well it needs accepting first.
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Ah, I see. I’m already very excited about the new tiering.
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Do I believe that Eru is bound by the laws of logic ? No. The sub-creators all being only limited by the contradiction law of logic, yet Eru is treated as incomprehensibly above them implies that.
Do I have to say he is because Vs battles current tiering system treats the three laws of logic as the be all end all ? Yes.
Do I have to say he is because Vs battles current tiering system treats the three laws of logic as the be all end all ? Yes.
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Finally. It should be pretty quick since it's probably the single most blatantly obvious Tier 0 upgrade on the wiki (along with the upgrades for the many Indian shows about Hinduism).The queue is vanquished folks. It begins.
Tolkien Tier High 1-A+ and 0 Proposal
Many thanks to Ultima for helping me with this project! This is a cosmology expansion for Tolkien's Legendarium that proposes Eru as tier 0 and the Ainur in their "Prior to entering Eä" key as High 1-A+...
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Unfortunately, my recent research and talks have convinced me he's just "an enlightened beast". A good boi but not a Maia. Honestly makes him more badass.
NPI is a maybe? He terrified practically everyone evil minus Sauron, and that guy fled for his life the second after he lost the battle.
Cosmology statements are in the second revision thread's beginning. Also the statement might be on page, I'm not too sure right now. Not got enough energy to go check.
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