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Lord of the Rings Discussion Thread

Actually hang on, lemme try this.

This came from here:

This and this came from here:

Just thought I'd give proper credit
 
Actually hang on, lemme try this.

This came from here:

This and this came from here:

Just thought I'd give proper credit
You'd need to put the calc in a page and ask for it to be evaluated. I'm a bit occupied to deal with the extra load.
 
Is there any Imgur post regarding the Barrier of Unwill and how it works as well as examples of it working and not working?
 
Is there any Imgur post regarding the Barrier of Unwill and how it works as well as examples of it working and not working?
Not yet, but you can essentially read the ÓSANWE-KENTA chapter in The Nature of Middle-Earth for the best explanation. There should be a link to it on the Sauron vs Lich King Death Battle Suggested Media for Sauron.


Or here.
 
Not yet, but you can essentially read the ÓSANWE-KENTA chapter in The Nature of Middle-Earth for the best explanation. There should be a link to it on the Sauron vs Lich King Death Battle Suggested Media for Sauron.


Or here.
The link doesn't seem to be working on my end. And for the Death Battle, which is it on? The G1 Blog, the official DB wiki, or the Fanon one?
 
how strong can marvel abstracts like the living tribunal, eternity, etc be compared to the Ainur? . besides, I also agree with revision of high 1-A+ and 0 between Eru and Ainur.
 
how strong can marvel abstracts like the living tribunal, eternity, etc be compared to the Ainur?
That's all subjective and the Marvel characters are likely to receive more revisions at some point. But for this site with the Marvel characters, if the Ainur and Eru changes go through and nothing else has changed, even a single Maia (Prior to entering Eä) would be able to solo all of Marvel.
 
I forgot to mention that some Tolkien Downplayers said Eru is not boundless in the new tiering system because Eru is:

  • part of a cosmological hierarchy
  • Melkor can perceive it.
  • he inhabits the timeless halls to which the Ainu have access.
 
I forgot to mention that some Tolkien Downplayers said Eru is not boundless in the new tiering system because Eru is:

  • part of a cosmological hierarchy
  • Melkor can perceive it.
  • he inhabits the timeless halls to which the Ainu have access.
They just don't understand what Tier 0 is or why people say Eru is tier 0
 
I forgot to mention that some Tolkien Downplayers said Eru is not boundless in the new tiering system because Eru is:

  • part of a cosmological hierarchy
  • Melkor can perceive it.
  • he inhabits the timeless halls to which the Ainu have access.
Eru isn't in a cosmology hierarchy and the Subcreation argument is the part of the reason he isn't iirc. Like he is beyond all Subcreations which is like all logical possible worlds (Which is High 1A+) and these possible worlds have power over Tiers below it that is High 1A hierarchies so he is above cosmological hierarchy.

Melkor can perceive it only because of Eru maybe?

Even when in Timeless Halls, Eru is stated to be beyond them too iirc.
 
  • part of a cosmological hierarchy
  • Melkor can perceive it.
  • he inhabits the timeless halls to which the Ainu have access.
1. Just a blatant incorrect statement. The closest you can argue is the Primary Reality, and He's just as remote there.
2. Perceive the Halls? That's just point 3.
3. They reside in the Timeless Halls, but not even they can comprehend Eru beyond their (comparatively) finite understanding. Despite both technically (emphasis on technically) being in the Timeless Halls, Eru remains as remote, incomprehensible, and inaccessible to them as Eru is to the humans in Eä (again, on a relative scale). The Timeless Halls are a rather curious part of the Legendarium anyway, as they're beyond thought and are the abode of the highest sub-creators.

Eru occupying the Timeless Halls isn't even necessarily His entirety. Finrod's monologue on Eru (which is essentially Tolkien waffling on Eru) essentially notes Eru can manifest inside Eä while remaining outside it by His sheer omnipotence while still being as remote as before (essentially a foreshadowing of the Messiah in Eä).
 
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Eru isn't in a cosmology hierarchy and the Subcreation argument is the part of the reason he isn't iirc. Like he is beyond all Subcreations which is like all logical possible worlds (Which is High 1A+) and these possible worlds have power over Tiers below it that is High 1A hierarchies so he is above cosmological hierarchy.

Melkor can perceive it only because of Eru maybe?

Even when in Timeless Halls, Eru is stated to be beyond them too iirc.
could Eru hold authority over All Logically Possible Worlds (which would be High 1-A+)?
 
than i understand that tier 0 characters in the new tiering system will have powers and abilities like: omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence the same way as God (Seekers into the Mystery)

Will Eru also get these powers and abilities if he upgrades to tier 0?
Essentially yes. It's the 'bread and butter' for how Tier 0's powers are formatted. It's essentially the three Omnis first, and then explains what powers they actually showed within the work they are in.
 
Do I believe that Eru is bound by the laws of logic ? No. The sub-creators all being only limited by the contradiction law of logic, yet Eru is treated as incomprehensibly above them implies that.

Do I have to say he is because Vs battles current tiering system treats the three laws of logic as the be all end all ? Yes.
 
The queue is vanquished folks. It begins.

Finally. It should be pretty quick since it's probably the single most blatantly obvious Tier 0 upgrade on the wiki (along with the upgrades for the many Indian shows about Hinduism).
 
I feel like Huan would have NPI, given that he was able to restrain Sauron, despite Sauron still being able to discard his physical form
 
Heck, Huan would possibly have the abilities of the Ainur, given that he was listed as an example of Maiar in beast forms
 
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Heck, Huan would possibly have the abilities of the Ainur, given that he was listed as an example of Maiar in beast forms
Unfortunately, my recent research and talks have convinced me he's just "an enlightened beast". A good boi but not a Maia. Honestly makes him more badass.

NPI is a maybe? He terrified practically everyone evil minus Sauron, and that guy fled for his life the second after he lost the battle.

Cosmology statements are in the second revision thread's beginning. Also the statement might be on page, I'm not too sure right now. Not got enough energy to go check.
 
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