Lord of the Rings Discussion Thread

[Tyranno223]

Calculation Requests Thread (New forum)

Priority: 1/2 (relevant to perhaps half or more of the verse's characters) Verse: Lord of the Rings/The Silmarillion Feat: Gandalf and Durin's Bane create a storm that crowns a mountain. The relevant scale and descriptions are in this Imgur Link. There is a second feat where Durin's Bane...

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Leaving this here in case anyone wants a go at calcing.

 

[Hsharpe]

So, there’s this guy named ‘@papapalps2415’ on YT, and he’s by far the biggest SW meatrider and biggest LOTR downplayer I’ve come across. He even says that a single ISD can kill Melkor and that Melkor and Valar aren’t past Planetary. If you guys can provide debunks to this downplay it would do wonders.

 

[DOOMSLAYER127]

So, there’s this guy named ‘@papapalps2415’ on YT, and he’s by far the biggest SW meatrider and biggest LOTR downplayer I’ve come across. He even says that a single ISD can kill Melkor and that Melkor and Valar aren’t past Planetary. If you guys can provide debunks to this downplay it would do wonders.

SW referring star wars here?

 

[Hsharpe]

SW referring star wars here?

Yes

 

[DOOMSLAYER127]

Yes

Hmm okay

He even says that a single ISD can kill Melkor and that Melkor and Valar aren’t past Planetary.

Melkor when he first came to Arda was powerful and he along with the Valar can't be destroyed in their spirit forms. They are clearly way above planetary due to the fact that they shaped the Universe in the beginning. Does this 'ISD' have that kinda AP to destroy them?
Well I think Tyranno can give better debunks than me with quotes.

 

[Tyranno223]

Most of what I'd say is already on profile. Not like it's necessary to even respond to this kind of nonsense.

Though I guess here's two prominent links for the Valar.

Imgur

Imgur: The magic of the Internet

imgur.com

 

[Hsharpe]

Most of what I'd say is already on profile. Not like it's necessary to even respond to this kind of nonsense.

Though I guess here's two prominent links for the Valar.

Imgur

Imgur: The magic of the Internet

imgur.com

I can’t access the links.

 

[Hsharpe]

Also, this is the guy that says an ISD can kill Melkor and... y'know what, I'll just let the rest of the pictures speak for themselves (hopefully they work as links since I can't send pictures)

file:///Users/haydensharpe/Desktop/Screenshot%202024-06-10%20at%208.42.37%20PM.jpg

file:///Users/haydensharpe/Desktop/Screenshot%202024-06-10%20at%208.41.03%20PM.jpg

And the source for these screenshots are from this video:


If you can't access the screenshots, go to the comment of someone named '@darkunor6687' and look through the replies.

 

[Tyranno223]

Also, this is the guy that says an ISD can kill Melkor and... y'know what, I'll just let the rest of the pictures speak for themselves (hopefully they work as links since I can't send pictures)

file:///Users/haydensharpe/Desktop/Screenshot%202024-06-10%20at%208.42.37%20PM.jpg

file:///Users/haydensharpe/Desktop/Screenshot%202024-06-10%20at%208.41.03%20PM.jpg

And the source for these screenshots are from this video:

Eh, this seems to have been made for fun if anything.

Regardless, no need to get too worked up over stuff like this at the end of the day.

 

[Hsharpe]

Eh, this seems to have been made for fun if anything.

Regardless, no need to get too worked up over stuff like this at the end of the day.

Alright, I'll take your word for it. I just, can't handle LOTR downplay for any longer; I'm like Hulk, on the verge of going into a fit of anger because of all this downplay.

And yeah, the video was definitely made for fun, not involving any downplay or favoritism. But it's the comments (at least some) that do the downplaying and favoritism.

 

[Tyranno223]

Alright, I'll take your word for it. I just, can't handle LOTR downplay for any longer; I'm like Hulk, on the verge of going into a fit of anger because of all this downplay.

And yeah, the video was definitely made for fun, not involving any downplay or favoritism. But it's the comments (at least some) that do the downplaying and favoritism.

Everyone has their quibbles, but best not to get too bothered over something like Battleboarding.

Admittedly though I'm not great either. I'm kinda a Book purist for LotR so when I see "inaccurate" stuff (at least from my opinion) I get pissy.

Heck, originally I was a downplayer since I came to this site to downgrade the verse minus Eru to 5-B at best until I did more research (then got wrapped up in supporting a tier 1 upgrade and stuff). Tbh, i'm still not a fan of how many characters are High 3-A personally speaking, but I'll support it unless I find reason not to.

 

[Hsharpe]

Everyone has their quibbles, but best not to get too bothered over something like Battleboarding.

Admittedly though I'm not great either. I'm kinda a Book purist for LotR so when I see "inaccurate" stuff (at least from my opinion) I get pissy.

Heck, originally I was a downplayer since I came to this site to downgrade the verse minus Eru to 5-B at best until I did more research (then got wrapped up in supporting a tier 1 upgrade and stuff). Tbh, i'm still not a fan of how many characters are High 3-A personally speaking, but I'll support it unless I find reason not to.

Now that, is character development for you right there. I initially upgraded Eru to Outerversal without any evidence solely because of the fact that it looked so… downplayed.

But now, seeing the Tier 1 Upgrade and the fact I (kinda) predicted so far back, I feel kind of proud of myself for it. Though that could just be me.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

https://g1dbteamblogs.blogspot.com/2024/06/death-battle-predictions-sinestro-vs.html opinions on this

 

[Tyranno223]

https://g1dbteamblogs.blogspot.com/2024/06/death-battle-predictions-sinestro-vs.html opinions on this

Solid. Very solid. Although, I don't agree with everything of course. For one, I don't get why they attribute teleportation instead of speed.

Edit: I wouldn't personally use Lost Road in case anyone gets the idea to try and apply it here. It's from an idea Tolkien left up in the air like Dagor Dagorath, but even worse given steampunk Numenor definetly was not in the later editions.

 

[Hsharpe]

I have a little question.

Where would the Ainur be on the Kardashev scale, both Within the Confines of Eä and Prior to Entering Eä?

 

[Tyranno223]

I have a little question.

Where would the Ainur be on the Kardashev scale, both Within the Confines of Eä and Prior to Entering Eä?

Beyond Eä? Well they don't really exist as a traditional civilisation.

Within, they are capable of creating things such as the Two Lamps or Two Trees that can both light the entire world (albeit it was flat at the time but even the lesser Sun can do the same). The Two Lamps when destroyed marred Arda on such a level the damage couldn't be undone on even a conceptual level.

That aside, the mere Light of the Two Trees were used to make the Silmarils so a High 3-A power source there. But this was largely a one off thing since the Valar could never recreate such a feat.

Basically anywhere from Type 1 to Type 3 (for the original scale at least).

 

[Hsharpe]

… This is honestly just sad on so many levels

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/fingolfin-the-silmarillion-vs-adam-taurus-rwby.827167/

I take pity for whoever thinks Adam has even the slightest chance of winning

 

[Hsharpe]

And also, one question.

How was Sauron able to dominate the minds of the Nazgûl if there’s the Barrier of Unwill? Did Sauron find a way to bypass it, or was it something else?

 

[Tyranno223]

And also, one question.

How was Sauron able to dominate the minds of the Nazgûl if there’s the Barrier of Unwill? Did Sauron find a way to bypass it, or was it something else?

Well the natural state of the mind is "openness" in the Legendarium, the "barrier of unwill" is literal, it is there once a person does not desire their mind to be seen. Until then, the mind is open.

Obviously this is more easy for those with actual mental abilities. The Nazgûl did have 3 Númenóreans with likely mental capacity, but the others would not. But of course, even the mere lack of consent or distrust would cause the barrier to manifest.

But the Nazgûl "consented" to Sauron in the sense that they accepted and freely used the Rings. There is thus no real barrier to constant temptation there.

But the Rings did not purely target the mind but their being. By wearing them so long that they degenerated into Wraiths, they were tied to their respective Rings of Power. Their existence bound to them. These Rings were in turn subordinates to the Ruling Ring and Sauron had control of their wills as they were bound to it.

When he lost the One Ring, he still had command of them as he had possession of their Rings and kept them on his person.

TLDR: The Nazgûl probably consented meaning no barrier. Otherwise, their beings are subject to their and Sauron's Rings which are under Sauron's control.