Lord of the Rings Ancalagon Downgrade

[Dinamic8000]

As JustANormalLemon and XitSign noticed here the villains of the first age have a pretty bad AP scaling, something that will need some time to get fixed

Buuuut one thing that can easily fixed is Ancalagon size

You see, we are talking about a character that only appeared briefly during The Silmarilion climax, his true proportions were unfortunately never specified (Not even in the various essays and fragments left by Tolkien)

But we can surely say he is just not "The size of a small country", the more conservative tends to a 150 meters size, the one ring wiki states something the size of a mountain since he destroyed with his fall after death a mountain which by itself could had 10 Km height, never saw a Tolkien scholar suggest a size like that.

With his the following changes should be made on the profile:

• Large Size (At minimum Type 2, likely Type 3)
• Lifting Strength: At least Class M, possibly higher via sheer size
• Range: Possible kilometres due to his size alone

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Seens good

 

[Tyranno223]

As JustANormalLemon and XitSign noticed here the villains of the first age have a pretty bad AP scaling, something that will need some time to get fixed

Buuuut one thing that can easily fixed is Ancalagon size

You see, we are talking about a character that only appeared briefly during The Silmarilion climax, his true proportions were unfortunately never specified (Not even in the various essays and fragments left by Tolkien)

But we can surely say he is just not "The size of a small country", the more conservative tends to a 150 meters size, the one ring wiki states something the size of a mountain since he destroyed with his fall after death a mountain which by itself could had 10 Km height, never saw a Tolkien scholar suggest a size like that.

With his the following changes should be made on the profile:

• Large Size (At minimum Type 2, likely Type 3)
• Lifting Strength: At least Class M, possibly higher via sheer size
• Range: Possible kilometres due to his size alone

Only just noticed this now, but do you mind posting this here? We have a discussion thread going on (although progress is slow) and we're currently just finishing up the Ainur.

 

[Dinamic8000]

Only just noticed this now, but do you mind posting this here? We have a discussion thread going on (although progress is slow) and we're currently just finishing up the Ainur.

Sure! Just give me a couple of days to refine my argument, this post was manly based on outside sources, something that i know now it's not recommended in CR's

 

[Antvasima]

This seems good to apply, if @Tyranno223 , @Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan , @Moonshadow137 , and @TheMerchant66 are fine with it.

 

[Tyranno223]

I think this is fine.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Then it can probably be applied, but it seems best to wait a bit for the other members that I sent a notification to first.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Yeah seems straight-forward.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you. It is probably fine to apply then, or should we wait further?

 

[Moonshadow137]

I mean, most of his size claims are hyperbolic or flat out lies, people tend to oversize him a lot. There is a quote about him being the biggest of (winged) dragons, but not much to go by that.

People usually say he should be mountain sized because of his moutain breaking feat but, while he should be fairly large from crushing three peaks, Durin's Bane broke a mountainside and Balrogs are not that much bigger than Noldor.

 

[Moonshadow137]

Thorondor, IIRC, only had a wingspan of 60 metres and I don't really think Ancalagon was that much bigger than him

 

[Antvasima]

Okay, so what should we do here exactly then?

 

[Tyranno223]

It's probably safe to apply. It's not really a controversial change and there's no real reason to support the prior rating. Like Moonshadow mentioned, a Balrog can break a mountainside, despite only being larger than an average Noldo Elf (maybe 10-14 feet high? Point is, nowhere near the size of a mountain).

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Feel free to apply the accepted changes then.

 

[Dinamic8000]

Did the changes!

One more thing, the verse page also states that Ancalagon was country size, it is okay for me to also change the text there?

 

[Tyranno223]

Did the changes!

One more thing, the verse page also states that Ancalagon was country size, it is okay for me to also change the text there?

The entire verse page needs changes, but if you want to do them then please do! I'm doing my exams, so having to change everything manually is taking time (although I'm nearly done soon).

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, that should be fine.

Tell us here when you are done, and when we should close this thread.

 

[Dinamic8000]

Did the changes

I guess we can close the thread now

Thank you for everybody who helped!

 

[Antvasima]

No problem.

Thank you from me as well.