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In the One Piece Discusion Thread we have been talking for hours about this and I think we should settle this.
Fuji's meteors
First of all I want to know why we aren't using this calc from NF despite the atmosphere issue?
We're currently using standard meteor's fall for those meteorites but we need to talk more about this.
Given the context it's obvious that Fuji's dragging down the meteor from space but we don't have enough proofs of One Piece Earth's size (or at least accepted proof).
If we're gonna use this feat to scaling then we should use Sky Islands's height as a lowball. The Sky Islands are divided in two parts: White Sea and White White Sea. IIRC the White Sea is at 8,000km while White White Sea is at 10,000km.
If we use those values as a lowball and assume 1 minute timeframe the result'll end like this:
Using White Sea's height: 8,000km / 60s = 133,333.333m/s (Mach 388)
Using WWS's height: 10,000km / 60s = 166,666.666m/s (Mach 485)
Why this tho? Because 11km/s it's our standard but not the only timeframe we use. One minute as a timeframe is more accurate for two reasons:
Well we also discussed about Kaido scaling to Fujitora's meteors.
Why should we scale Kaido to Fujitora's meteors which have an AP different from Issho's regular AP?
Simple. Kaido has been stated to be the strongest creature in earth, water and air by the narrator itself. This obviously includes Fujitora and in-universe context this is consistent. He's even feared by Doflamingo himself who'd prefer to fight against the Admirals rather than Kaido. And he did.
First of all it's need to be noted that Fujitora's meteors aren't an OoC strategy. He did it twice. First situation was when he fought Law and Doflamingo. Doffy and Fuji was a team at that point and with the difference in strength between Doffy and Law should have been enough but still he used it. Second situation he brought an even bigger meteor and it was cutted by Birdcage which is Doflamingo's attack.
But what's the importance of this? Because Doffy did saw and experienced Fujitora's power by himself and still was scared for Kaido.
Damage3245 disagree with this saying that with no feats nor statements involving this Kaido shouldn't scale to Fujitora's meteors which I and many other users had disagree.
This is unaccurate since Kaido isn't only the strongest creature alive but he's a Yonko. One of the main power houses of the whole world. The Yonko are so powerful that the Marine and the WG needs the Shichibukai to help them in the fight against them. The Admiral by themselves are incapable of fight any Yonko.
We have the first and only case of a Yonko fighting and Admiral: Paramount War.
In that war Shirohige didn't used his full power because:
In a 1v1 Akainu got rekt by a heavily injured Shirohige in a bloodlusted state. Before that the Admirals damaged Shirohige, mostly when he took his guard down.
Kaido is the strongest creature in the world while Shirohige is the strongest ma in the world. I know this is a little problematic because I'm using the words in their titles but isn't a stretch thinking that current Kaido is stronger than Old Whitebeard.
In a 1v1 fight Kaido'll win. Now that we know that Fujitora use meteors even if the situation doesn't require it and is a likely strategy for him to win.
But what if the meteors are truly stronger than Kaido? Then I'd call it PIS. It's a complete PIS that the Navy having such a powerful Admiral doesn't go to kill every Yonko right now. Plot tells us otherwise. If they don't go in a hunting fest dragging meteors to kill the Yonkos it's for a reason. The innocent lives are a thing tho, but doesn't change any of the other proofs. And if we know Akainu just a little then it's sure to say that he would send Fujitora to do that at Wano or even Whole Cake just to kill the pirates.
This would put Kaido above the meteors.
Of course this wouldn't apply to other characters such as Big Mom or Shanks unless it's proven otherwise.
Fuji's meteors
First of all I want to know why we aren't using this calc from NF despite the atmosphere issue?
We're currently using standard meteor's fall for those meteorites but we need to talk more about this.
Given the context it's obvious that Fuji's dragging down the meteor from space but we don't have enough proofs of One Piece Earth's size (or at least accepted proof).
If we're gonna use this feat to scaling then we should use Sky Islands's height as a lowball. The Sky Islands are divided in two parts: White Sea and White White Sea. IIRC the White Sea is at 8,000km while White White Sea is at 10,000km.
If we use those values as a lowball and assume 1 minute timeframe the result'll end like this:
Using White Sea's height: 8,000km / 60s = 133,333.333m/s (Mach 388)
Using WWS's height: 10,000km / 60s = 166,666.666m/s (Mach 485)
Why this tho? Because 11km/s it's our standard but not the only timeframe we use. One minute as a timeframe is more accurate for two reasons:
- The characters in scene didn't have much time to react to it.
- Fujitora uses gravity itself. Thinking that he just brought the meteor at meteor entry's speed is unaccurate. We don't see the meteor coming from outer space but the current values gives more than 12 minutes with the 8,000km lowball which is blatantly incorrect.
Well we also discussed about Kaido scaling to Fujitora's meteors.
Why should we scale Kaido to Fujitora's meteors which have an AP different from Issho's regular AP?
Simple. Kaido has been stated to be the strongest creature in earth, water and air by the narrator itself. This obviously includes Fujitora and in-universe context this is consistent. He's even feared by Doflamingo himself who'd prefer to fight against the Admirals rather than Kaido. And he did.
First of all it's need to be noted that Fujitora's meteors aren't an OoC strategy. He did it twice. First situation was when he fought Law and Doflamingo. Doffy and Fuji was a team at that point and with the difference in strength between Doffy and Law should have been enough but still he used it. Second situation he brought an even bigger meteor and it was cutted by Birdcage which is Doflamingo's attack.
But what's the importance of this? Because Doffy did saw and experienced Fujitora's power by himself and still was scared for Kaido.
Damage3245 disagree with this saying that with no feats nor statements involving this Kaido shouldn't scale to Fujitora's meteors which I and many other users had disagree.
This is unaccurate since Kaido isn't only the strongest creature alive but he's a Yonko. One of the main power houses of the whole world. The Yonko are so powerful that the Marine and the WG needs the Shichibukai to help them in the fight against them. The Admiral by themselves are incapable of fight any Yonko.
We have the first and only case of a Yonko fighting and Admiral: Paramount War.
In that war Shirohige didn't used his full power because:
- He was old and sick. His reflects were so bad that even Squard could stab him.
- His crewmates and fleet were there so his power should be restricted by himself if he doesn't want to accidentally kill anyone.
- He was aiming for save Ace. He didn't pretend to fight against the Navy after accomplishing the mission.
In a 1v1 Akainu got rekt by a heavily injured Shirohige in a bloodlusted state. Before that the Admirals damaged Shirohige, mostly when he took his guard down.
Kaido is the strongest creature in the world while Shirohige is the strongest ma in the world. I know this is a little problematic because I'm using the words in their titles but isn't a stretch thinking that current Kaido is stronger than Old Whitebeard.
In a 1v1 fight Kaido'll win. Now that we know that Fujitora use meteors even if the situation doesn't require it and is a likely strategy for him to win.
But what if the meteors are truly stronger than Kaido? Then I'd call it PIS. It's a complete PIS that the Navy having such a powerful Admiral doesn't go to kill every Yonko right now. Plot tells us otherwise. If they don't go in a hunting fest dragging meteors to kill the Yonkos it's for a reason. The innocent lives are a thing tho, but doesn't change any of the other proofs. And if we know Akainu just a little then it's sure to say that he would send Fujitora to do that at Wano or even Whole Cake just to kill the pirates.
This would put Kaido above the meteors.
Of course this wouldn't apply to other characters such as Big Mom or Shanks unless it's proven otherwise.
