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The spider on the hat "laser" does look more like shiny machine gun fire. Which Marco can deflect at a few meters away.
Any feat for laser puppy "laser" dodging?
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Any feat for laser puppy "laser" dodging?
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Regarding Rhomblouus statements regarding the planet buster, I think it could've easilly been dismissed as a hyperbole, if not for the next person creating a visible black hole. Sure, a black hole does not act like that, but hey, I think it's a pretty straight forward statement from the writers.
Regarding Helios the sun dude. He appears in the book as a tarot card. He is called "The Rising Sun"
So yeah, a bit questionable I admit. He calls himself the Sun, has a gravitational pull, he says he's made of Hydrogen. Everything checks out he's a sun, except you know, his size. Though, he was beginning to grow in size towards the end and did intend on consuming Earth, which an actual Sun of that size would do if it exists. Star used a magic water spell though, it's not like she used a garden hose to put him down. Since Omnitraxus Prime can change his size from universal size, I don't see why a sun from an unknown dimension wouldn't be able to change his size from Star level to being able to fit inside a house. Just my opinion SVTFOE is weird man lol.
BTW, the book has maps of Mewni and descriptions of places in Mewni. I'm not sure if this useful to gauge the size of Mewni for Skywynne's gravity/lasso feat
I have both books by the way, if you guys need anything from the books, let me know.
My next post would all about Star's speed and will cover the laser puppies.
Regarding Helios the sun dude. He appears in the book as a tarot card. He is called "The Rising Sun"
BTW, the book has maps of Mewni and descriptions of places in Mewni. I'm not sure if this useful to gauge the size of Mewni for Skywynne's gravity/lasso feat
I have both books by the way, if you guys need anything from the books, let me know.
My next post would all about Star's speed and will cover the laser puppies.
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Thx for the scans.
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If Regardless Rhombulus and taking also attention to the black hole point, should be mentioned few things.
Yes Black hole does not act like that, that's first of all but it looks we actually have a statement from Rhombulus, which means it can be properly a black hole but as previously Rhombulus doesn't seem to be a very accurate source, at times he's dumb and/or can try to lie, like he tried to do a crime against Eclipsa. Maybe it can work but it's unknown to us about scaling and does characters physically scales to it. It just appears, but probably something can be get from it.
If speaking about Sun it's kind of 50/50. He follows some rules of being sun aka gravitation, but at same time his temperature isn't high enough to burn a house by it's own existence and inside it turns out to be rocky while Iirc Suns/Stars are only gaseous. Though it's weird and wild that's really true. Still unknown about scalings.
Also big thanks for scans, and yes laser puppies part as in pointed out previously interesting one as lasers from them doesn't contradicted to be lasers and actually even were stated to be lasers so the only thing is probably to find a feat of dodging those lasers.
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Star's speed.
Running speed:
Star running as a blur. Moving faster than eye. One of the guys who she was racing against, harnessed lightning a few moments before. Her father can also attack with lightning bolts.
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Her father ran 10 miles in 5 minutes. Stated by Marco to be 150MPH. River stated that he could've done it in 4 minutes in his prime
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Hekapoo running around her homeplanet and completes a few laps. Just before she runs, she shows off her speed. Marco can tag her. Hekapoo does not use a clone. She is shown running and does not use a portal until Marco tries to one-up her. She is the same Hekapoo with the scissors in her hands. Star should scale to this.
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Here is Star running past Marco in the comics
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In the comics, Star and Marco go back in the time and Star clashes with her past mother Moon. She is dodging her attacks and reacting to them in almost point blank range. They appear to be laser beams.
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Star dodging attacks from Ludo, who has half the wand. This appears to be the same type of blast that one-shoted Omnitraxus Prime when Toffee had control.
She dodges her own reflected attacks and I don't see why she wouldn't be able to dodge her own attacks.
Ok, now the laser puppies. Has anybody dodge them? I actually don't recall. But here's the weird thing....nobody needs to dodge them. Even humans can pretty much tank these lasers. For example:
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Marco's dad can take one to the eye. He seems ok.
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Marco touches a laser. He seems ok.
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A human gets hit by a laser. She seems to be ok.
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River can take lasers to the face. He seems ok.
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Glossaryck no-sells a laser beam, though it does cut a hole in his hand.
Humans in SVTFOE can no-sell a bus crash.
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Considering some of Star's spells are actual lasers beams (example the Mega Explosive Crystal Laser, the Spider with a Top Hat laser beams, Laser Beam Blast), I think it's safe to say they're laser beams...but here's more stuff to back that up.
Star's Stardust Daisy Devastation description is "A little bit of the power of the sun..."
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Star uses this spell. No monsters managed to dodge it.
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Star uses a blue laser beams attacks
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Buff Frog pleads Star not to use any more "laser beams"
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Star flying in a space-like dimension and flying by asteroids.
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Ok, there is when things get crazy. Star has this feat that could be either be pretty fast or MFTL+
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Star flying throughout the multiverse via dimensional portals she creates, looking for a sound she is hearing that is coming from the Realm of Magic, an outside dimension according to the SVTFOE wiki. Eventually reaching a portal in distant space. As you can see, she flys past planets and stars. She does this in a single night.
Location of said portal is not found in Hekapoo's map and Hekapoo is in charge of dimensional portals in the multiverse.
According to Omnitraxus Prime, there's infinite dimensions with infinite timelines.
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So did Star really traveled though infinite dimensions? No, probably not. She probably reached a dimension or somewhere in space, where Hekapoo has never been to or has knowledge of. I don't know if this can be calc'd at all or quantified. The map mentioned is never hinted to be a map of the Multiverse to be exact, however, what else is the map suppose to be? Hekapoo was tracking the person responsible for creating these portals that were causing inter dimensional problems. Hekapoo and Marco were going around patching the rifts created by Star. This map would have to include most, if not all, the dimensions out there.
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Here's another crazy possible MFTL feat Star can scale to:
Baby traveled from Mewni to Earth. Baby did not use scissors.
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Star got a heads-up that Baby was coming so she had time to clean her room up. So it took Baby probably a half-day or full day to get to Earth.
Baby also left Earth by flying as well:
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Phew. SVTFOE has so much stuff man!
Running speed:
Star running as a blur. Moving faster than eye. One of the guys who she was racing against, harnessed lightning a few moments before. Her father can also attack with lightning bolts.
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Her father ran 10 miles in 5 minutes. Stated by Marco to be 150MPH. River stated that he could've done it in 4 minutes in his prime
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Hekapoo running around her homeplanet and completes a few laps. Just before she runs, she shows off her speed. Marco can tag her. Hekapoo does not use a clone. She is shown running and does not use a portal until Marco tries to one-up her. She is the same Hekapoo with the scissors in her hands. Star should scale to this.
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Here is Star running past Marco in the comics
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Star dodging lightning
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In the comics, Star and Marco go back in the time and Star clashes with her past mother Moon. She is dodging her attacks and reacting to them in almost point blank range. They appear to be laser beams.
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She dodges her own reflected attacks and I don't see why she wouldn't be able to dodge her own attacks.
Ok, now the laser puppies. Has anybody dodge them? I actually don't recall. But here's the weird thing....nobody needs to dodge them. Even humans can pretty much tank these lasers. For example:
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Self-proclaimed "bad boy" Marco is assigned to be Star's tour guide at school, but he realizes too late that she's not the typical foreign exchange student.....
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Star vs. the Forces of Evil -"Freeze Day"
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Star Vs Forces of Evil - "Brittney's Party"
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Star vs. the Forces of Evil - "Royal Pain"
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Humans in SVTFOE can no-sell a bus crash.
Star Vs Forces of Evil - "Brittney's Party"
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Considering some of Star's spells are actual lasers beams (example the Mega Explosive Crystal Laser, the Spider with a Top Hat laser beams, Laser Beam Blast), I think it's safe to say they're laser beams...but here's more stuff to back that up.
Star vs. the Forces of Evil - "Lobster Claws"
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Star vs. the Forces of Evil - "Lobster Claws"
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Star flying in a space-like dimension and flying by asteroids.
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Ok, there is when things get crazy. Star has this feat that could be either be pretty fast or MFTL+
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Location of said portal is not found in Hekapoo's map and Hekapoo is in charge of dimensional portals in the multiverse.
According to Omnitraxus Prime, there's infinite dimensions with infinite timelines.
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So did Star really traveled though infinite dimensions? No, probably not. She probably reached a dimension or somewhere in space, where Hekapoo has never been to or has knowledge of. I don't know if this can be calc'd at all or quantified. The map mentioned is never hinted to be a map of the Multiverse to be exact, however, what else is the map suppose to be? Hekapoo was tracking the person responsible for creating these portals that were causing inter dimensional problems. Hekapoo and Marco were going around patching the rifts created by Star. This map would have to include most, if not all, the dimensions out there.
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Here's another crazy possible MFTL feat Star can scale to:
Baby traveled from Mewni to Earth. Baby did not use scissors.
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Baby also left Earth by flying as well:
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Phew. SVTFOE has so much stuff man!
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You're welcome!. There's more info on Star's abilities and such on the books I would like to add too, but I'm going to let you guys judge her speed/other things first.
Yeah, I can understand your points. Rhombulus is an incompetent goofball afterall. I think anybody notable like Toffee and any user of the wand can be scaled to them. I mean, they're literal nobodies. Of course, if the mods can accept the statements/feats.
I hope my speed post covers and justifies Star's speed.
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Oh, I'm sorry. Too much stuff at once. I'll try my best to avoid that from now on. I just wanted to point out other laser stuff without the laser puppies.
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Okay.
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Would you be willing to try to get this thread back on track again?
Also, should I delete the derailing posts?
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Would you be willing to try to get this thread back on track again?
Also, should I delete the derailing posts?
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I don’t think you should delete it, there’s some useful stuff on there such as the links to certain feats.
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iirc, I think it took 115 seconds of charge up for Skywynne to do that feat with the lasso, so do you think it would make sense to divide whatever number that 5-A calc would be by 115 and then say the wand can output that amount of energy with a casual attack with only one second of charge up?
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Sorry to dissatisfy you but no. Lassoing the planet such that it rotates like the normal Earth does in an attempt to restore Earth rotational kinetic energy (and therefore the Mewni logic in restoring gravity) is just the same as the Earth rotational kinetic energy. Which has already been assigned at a value at reference for common feats.
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I was simply going off of Eficiente's logic in his previous comment on the feat. Also could you state what that value you're talking about is? Could that be used for determining AP?
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The rotational kinetic energy of Earth = 2.58e29 Joules, Moon level
Some says this picture says planet Mewni is similar to planet Earth. Also, gravity in Mewni is somehow maintained by the rotational KE of Mewni.
Thus restoration of gravity at Planet Mewni = energy in making the planet Mewni spin = energy in making the Earth spin.
If it needs to be counted to 115 to work, the yield may have to divide by 115 s to get power per second able to stall.
Then we have a planet busting Mega Explosive Crystal Laser which is stated to be able to bust a planet (then again never suggest the planetoid size).
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Yeah that's what I suggested, that was the focus of my earlier question. I wasn't making a 5-A claim, I was going off another mod's guess what the value is for rotating the Earth. So do you think it makes sense for that final yield to be the wand's AP if charged for one second?
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Hello again, I'll stay on course this time I swear lol
Re: Skywynne's lasso feat and the whole charging thing. I do want to point out this page on one of the books:
The wand has a wand charger. I think Skywynne meant powering up your wand (lets assume the wand is fully charged) to 115% power. So if the wand had 70% charge, you should charge the wand with your own power for the recommended 115%. In an episode, Star loses her wand charger and the wand is shown to have a power meter, though without any numbers:
The thing is that Skywynne did this feat while floating away. I really doubt she knew before hand that you had to "count" to a specific number, 115, to make sure you had enough power for the Strawberry Ribbon Lasso to be strong/large enough to pull Mewni. The old book of spells was burned so she really was a newbie(but genius) spell caster. I really doubt she was counting at all while she and others were floating away lol. I don't ever recall Star or any wand users counting while charging up any spells either. I believe she performed the feat sightly or almost completely different than what she wrote down for her "what to do when you x". I think she wrote that page as a recommendation to make sure it goes as smoothly as possible based on her experience, should a wand user ever stops from Mewni from rotating again. Sorta like "don't do what I did!". IMO, she did lasso Mewni, but not as smoothly as she described it.
According the decoded messages in the gravity deleting pages, 16 Mewmans were lost to space and survived long enough to land on a different planet. So Skywynne performed this feat rather quickly if only 16 people were lost.
The other thing I would argue is that the wand user could bypass or significantly reduce any counting, by simply dipping down, which would require some charging up, but no longer needing to count to 115. Skywynne's didn't learn to dip down until later on when she busted Dimension 811.
Re: Skywynne's lasso feat and the whole charging thing. I do want to point out this page on one of the books:
The wand has a wand charger. I think Skywynne meant powering up your wand (lets assume the wand is fully charged) to 115% power. So if the wand had 70% charge, you should charge the wand with your own power for the recommended 115%. In an episode, Star loses her wand charger and the wand is shown to have a power meter, though without any numbers:
The thing is that Skywynne did this feat while floating away. I really doubt she knew before hand that you had to "count" to a specific number, 115, to make sure you had enough power for the Strawberry Ribbon Lasso to be strong/large enough to pull Mewni. The old book of spells was burned so she really was a newbie(but genius) spell caster. I really doubt she was counting at all while she and others were floating away lol. I don't ever recall Star or any wand users counting while charging up any spells either. I believe she performed the feat sightly or almost completely different than what she wrote down for her "what to do when you x". I think she wrote that page as a recommendation to make sure it goes as smoothly as possible based on her experience, should a wand user ever stops from Mewni from rotating again. Sorta like "don't do what I did!". IMO, she did lasso Mewni, but not as smoothly as she described it.
According the decoded messages in the gravity deleting pages, 16 Mewmans were lost to space and survived long enough to land on a different planet. So Skywynne performed this feat rather quickly if only 16 people were lost.
The other thing I would argue is that the wand user could bypass or significantly reduce any counting, by simply dipping down, which would require some charging up, but no longer needing to count to 115. Skywynne's didn't learn to dip down until later on when she busted Dimension 811.
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Not only do I think the mods wouldn't agree with the top part of the comment about the charger, Idk how this information would be useful in determining a tier for the wand.
I do agree with this part though, but it seems unquantifiable in terms of figuring out how less longer it would take.
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Basically "dipping down" simply gives use of more magic or just cast spells without the wand - as if the wand is just a training wheel. How much a user can tap into while dipping down is up to the user.
Also, charging time can be dependent on the spell itself and may arguably not even be on a linear scale.
A whispering spell for about 5-10 seconds can destroy a mansion at best, but one with four magical queens and princesses for two minutes can destroy one realm that supplies Mewni magic to other dimensions.
Those that can be casually cast can melt some large chunks of stone... Oh I forget I have to calculate on that as well.
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Are you saying dipping down doesn't enhance the power of spells? When Skywynne made the lasso, she wasn't dipping down. Yet when she actually did dip down, she busted the universe by using just a random simple blast. Doesn't it sound weird how she dipped down but the actual spell she casted wasn't complicated at all? It seems dipping down does more than simply giving the caster a larger number of spells, it actually make spells stronger.
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So you're saying you don't agree with the suggestion of dividing up that earth rotation yield by 115 and using the outcome of that for AP for the wand?
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Well it's more like
1.) The Earth rotation feat is just Moon level as is, but it is rather a spell that needs to charge to 115. Given how the meter is read... I am indifferent whether to divide by 115 seconds for the second-wise power level of the magic book holder.
2.) The mega explosion crystal laser does not specifically states needing charging time. Its maximum potential is "neutralising entire planets", and is considered supposedly "one of the most destructive spells in the book". So it is safe to say this should be second to fourth strongest spells (the third/second(?) is the dimension busting spell, the second/first(?) one is the ultimate whispering spell, and the first/third(?) one is the ultimate world cleaving spell)
And if the spell does not require counting at all, then it further supports the counting to 115 requirement is just part of the requirement of casting some specific spell rather than general magic attack potency.
3.) The dimension blasting spell does require charging time and requires to let the caster feel at least like Skywynne "was a star" and until she "couldn't hold on to it any longer". Since she could hold on to it when she cast the earth rotation spell, it is intuitive that this spell needs a longer charging time than the earth rotation spell.
4.) The ultimate whispering spell is shown to require at least over two minutes to cast, and requires four dipped down magicians to cast it uninterrupted.
5.) The ultimate requires weirdly less charging time but it is more like the super strong emotions of Star and Marco wanting to stay together forever so very indecisive and arguably environment destruction and non-combat applicable. It could be an add-on to the ultimate whispering spell which has already finished casting. But if you accept this spell is one "2-universe merging" feat, then it is the strongest spell and yes the face value is 2-C.
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The problem here though is that Skywynne was dipping down when she busted the dimension while she wasn't when she made the lasso. It is highly likely it would have taken less time to charge for the lasso if she was dipping down. "My cheeks glowed as well! I knew I must be dipping down for the first time! What a wonderful feeling, a feeling of so much power." It seems more likely not than not that dipping down was giving her more power and enhancing an already simple spell. So if she has more power, because she's dipping down, then why would it need the same amount of charge up compared to a situation where she wasn't dipping down?
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Would you guys like some scans regarding Dipping Down from the books?
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"High 8-C physically, Her Spells and Magical Attacks Varies from High 8-C, Low 7-C with the Whispering Spell, at least Low 2-C with the Royal Magic Wand at full power"
Should be changed to "High 8-C physically, her magic Varies from High 8-C normally, Low 7-C with the Whispering Spell, and [The feat that spins the world] to Low 2-C (if that's still correct) with enough prior charge"
The latter 2 tiers would explain what the built up was for each, as the latter was bigger and apparently had emosional built up needed too.
In the explanation for the Varies we can write how Dipping Down amps power for everything magic even more, if her P&A saying the same it doesn't already make it redundant.
Should be changed to "High 8-C physically, her magic Varies from High 8-C normally, Low 7-C with the Whispering Spell, and [The feat that spins the world] to Low 2-C (if that's still correct) with enough prior charge"
The latter 2 tiers would explain what the built up was for each, as the latter was bigger and apparently had emosional built up needed too.
In the explanation for the Varies we can write how Dipping Down amps power for everything magic even more, if her P&A saying the same it doesn't already make it redundant.
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Ok! These pages covers Dipping Down. Someone already posted the clip of the show explaining it so I'll just assume everybody watched that.
The following two are from the Dimension Guide book:
These are found in the Magic Book of Spells:
There's some neat abilities her butterfly form grants her that I would like to be added, but to avoid derailement. I won't purse this until later on.
So Skywynne's Dimension busting was clearly an "Angry Dip". as she was frustrated with her love life and how ungrateful her people were towards her. She clearly didn't intend in busting the dimension, only planet busting based on her " I wanted to rip the earth in two, feel the heat from its center!" statement. So this supports the "unpredictable" description.
Star's dip downs in the show fall under the Love/Protection Dips. I think its safe to assume that the planet lasso spell would fall under this kind of Dip.
BTW, Star states that wand blasts and spells are different in the book. So calling Skywynne's Dimension busting blast a "spell" is wrong. At least. that's how I look at it. Toffee's blast that one-shotted OP should be a magic blast, not a spell too. Just a FYI.
The following two are from the Dimension Guide book:
These are found in the Magic Book of Spells:
There's some neat abilities her butterfly form grants her that I would like to be added, but to avoid derailement. I won't purse this until later on.
So Skywynne's Dimension busting was clearly an "Angry Dip". as she was frustrated with her love life and how ungrateful her people were towards her. She clearly didn't intend in busting the dimension, only planet busting based on her " I wanted to rip the earth in two, feel the heat from its center!" statement. So this supports the "unpredictable" description.
Star's dip downs in the show fall under the Love/Protection Dips. I think its safe to assume that the planet lasso spell would fall under this kind of Dip.
BTW, Star states that wand blasts and spells are different in the book. So calling Skywynne's Dimension busting blast a "spell" is wrong. At least. that's how I look at it. Toffee's blast that one-shotted OP should be a magic blast, not a spell too. Just a FYI.
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I think Star should be 8-B/8-A for her physicals. She can beat up monsters like Lobster Claws, who destroyed 4 city blocks in an episode. She and Mewmans can apparently survive space re-entry, which should be city block level. Her father has a city block durability feat listed on his page since he fell from the sky.
Lobster Claws feat/statement:
I apologize if I'm derailing.
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Okay. That is probably fine to apply.
What do other knowledgeable members here think?
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Blowing up a whole castle is yielding 23.95857164 tons of TNT. Crumbling a building by smacking parts and let them fall in unknown amount of punches or clamps is not expected to be yielding any higher.
Well the mega explosion crystal lasers are supposedly yielding planet level explosion if shown to be destroying some planets in one go in a short time span instead of "just statements".
Spinning the planet yields moon level sure.And keep in mind that is some supposed "115 count" move.
Dipping down can reduce casting time and can cast magic spells without a wand but the effect is quite unquantifiable.
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I would change it to "High 8-B physically, her magic Varies from High 8-B normally, Low 7-C with the Whispering Spell, and [The feat that spins the world] to Low 2-C with enough prior charge" due to Jasonith's Calc.
Not sure where to put the moon level lasso and planet busting crystal lasers here though. If you guys accept these feats applying to the wand's AP, then maybe it can be like this: "High 8-B physically, her magic Varies from High 8-B normally, Low 7-C with the Whispering Spell, and 5-B with Crystal Lasers, to Low 2-C with enough prior charge"
Let me know if these suggestions looks good or not.
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Has Star burning the Kingdom with a giant rainbow in the first episode been discussed? Since Skywynne was destroying hills and mountains in her bad days, doesn't Star/wand AP scale to that? Just simple questions 
