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Other feats
- Star’s watch tower feat ("St. Olga’s Reform School for Wayward Princesses")
- The Whispering Spell blowing up a castle (“Storm the Castle”) - For pixel scaling, here’s Star’s height in comparison to a single door of the castle
- Star and Ludo tank the destruction of one of the towers of Butterfly Castle ("Toffee"). Butterfly Castle is an enormous structure situated on a mountain.
- Star incinerates most of a billboard (“Just Friends”)
- Star creates a large explosion ("Matchmaker")
Thank you for helping outI shall try to calculate some other feats too. In fact, I have done one of them.
Okay so here's the thing, when someone dips down (cheeks glow), their maximum power is far above the wand because the wand's maximum power is only the tip of the iceberg for all of magic itself. So if we agree that the wand is 3-A, then someone who dips down should be (far) above 3-A. So maybe I guess for now I can compromise on something like "3-A, likely far higher when dipping down."I do agree with 3-A via that blast that destroyed some dimension+the general idea that the wand can do destroy universes, but believe that since the blast that destroyed that dimension took a very notably long time to charge then so should a blast that would destroy a universe. This in turn is consistent with other spells in the book like the one that erases gravity from Earth needing a notable, if not as big time to charge first.
I don't see characters like Moon Butterfly having her every magical attack be Low 2-C just like that w/o a charge up first because that clearly goes against what the book shows, and it would fit that she has lower power with her own feats like the best attack she shot at Toffe only destroying 1 side of a castle.
Thank youI shall try to calculate some other feats too. In fact, I have done one of them.
Done some of them. Some are unworthy to calculate.I shall try to calculate some other feats too. In fact, I have done one of them.
And probably 8-B dura for star? Since she tanked it.8-B Whispering Spell then, unless destroying one of the Towers of Butterfly Castle and making that big crater gets higher results.
good jobDone some of them. Some are unworthy to calculate.
Star’s watch tower feat - 55399179.73 J (Small Building)
Star Butterfly's Wand explodes - 23.95857164 ton TNT (City Block)
That needs hard proof and being beyond the wand's maximum power isn't necessarily 3-A as the wand's maximum power isn't 3-A w/o a built up. That's like saying that tier 9 weapon can do tier 7 damage w/ built up, but if you use it w/o a built up & beyond its maximum regular power (tier 9) then it can do tier 8 damage, that doesn't have to scale to the tier 7 damage.Okay so here's the thing, when someone dips down (cheeks glow), their maximum power is far above the wand because the wand's maximum power is only the tip of the iceberg for all of magic itself. So if we agree that the wand is 3-A, then someone who dips down should be (far) above 3-A. So maybe I guess for now I can compromise on something like "3-A, likely far higher when dipping down."
Proof of that being her first time? Not that it matters much anyway.As for Skywynne taking long to charge up, it was her first time ever dipping down, so it would make sense that it took long compared to someone who is experienced. This makes sense considering the wand by itself is 3-A but she dipped down to destroy the dimension, which shows how she didn't know what she was doing and was only testing things out.
As for deleting gravity, I don't believe it was stated anywhere that it needed a charge up at all. What you're referring to is the wand needing to charge up so it can spawn in a lasso that could spin the planet, thus putting gravity back.
For the first sentence, that spell only stops someone from running in a wheel. And even if it didn't and it worked like any other time stop in fiction then that would still mean it's meaningless to point out AP wise. You should be able to tell to not say things like that.This makes sense considering Star super causally stopped time itself with zero charge up but it took a whole episode and a lot of work to reverse the spell. These spells don't even look reversible, you kinda just have to manually reverse their effects by totally different spells or other means entirely.
Not the same, ki control exists there as it's pointed out sometimes and they have better and more consistent feats. Saying that is like not minding at all anti-feats, which is very much what users do to this verse.As for Moon, I mean just think about other series like Dragon Ball with the concept of ki control and what not. The characters can't go blowing up the planet or universe they live in with every attack because it would ruin the plot and nor do they need to in order to be planet or universe level. Why can't we just say SVTFOE is AP based sometimes and not DC based?
Here's a statement from the god of magic saying the wand only skims the surface of magic. I didn't really say, when it came to dipping down making you likely far above 3-A, that it wouldn't need build up. Maybe it still does. My point is that the potential of someone who dips down is likely far above 3-A, building up or not.That needs hard proof and being beyond the wand's maximum power isn't necessarily 3-A as the wand's maximum power isn't 3-A w/o a built up. That's like saying that tier 9 weapon can do tier 7 damage w/ built up, but if you use it w/o a built up & beyond its maximum regular power (tier 9) then it can do tier 8 damage, that doesn't have to scale to the tier 7 damage.
Here for what it's worth. And when it's your first time doing almost anything, you're not gonna do it properly, it's common sense.Proof of that being her first time? Not that it matters much anyway.
You're comparing two different situations, Skywynne isn't dipping down here, she's using just the wand. So it would make sense that it would take longer than usual. Now if Skywynne wasn't dipping down when she blew up the dimension, then it could make sense that it would take longer.This is more time I even remembered, if anything blowing up the universe should take an even longer time than this as it's notably more complex and they go over how there is a built up for a longer time over and over in the book.
To be fair, I was mainly saying that the idea that deleting gravity or turning off stuff, like stopping time, needing a charge up is wrong. Like I said, the charge up you're referring to is making a lasso.For the first sentence, that spell only stops someone from running in a wheel. And even if it didn't and it worked like any other time stop in fiction then that would still mean it's meaningless to point out AP wise. You should be able to tell to not say things like that.
Fair enough.Not the same, ki control exists there as it's pointed out sometimes and they have better and more consistent feats. Saying that is like not minding at all anti-feats, which is very much what users do to this verse.
She did not tank that particular blast - she was with Marco inside the super tough glass prison as the mansion exploded. She may have done so in other situations.And probably 8-B dura for star? Since she tanked it.
Well, she did tanked second whispering spell explosion. Though I can't say sure tanked exactly or just BFR'd. Want give this under yours sense justice since I can't be very sure what would be more right.She did not tank that particular blast - she was with Marco inside the super tough glass prison as the mansion exploded. She may have done so in other situations.
Or she did so in another situation - maybe I will find it and include such calculation.
It seems Eficiente and Jason are gonna downgrade Star along with other characters down to 3-A while I'm proposing we put something like "3-A, possibly or likely far higher".So what are the conclusions here so far?
Okay. Thank you for the summary.It seems Eficiente and Jason are gonna downgrade Star along with other characters down to 3-A while I'm proposing we put something like "3-A, possibly or likely far higher".
Well the argument for 3-A in the first place is due to a couple of statements and a scan showing the destruction of a dimension using the wand. I think the argument against tier 2 is the lack of hard definitive proof or at least the lack of proof to scale a tier 2 feat to AP, instead of environmental destruction. Eficiente points out characters need to charge up for a bit to be 3-A.Okay. Thank you for the summary.
Can you or somebody else explain the arguments for and against the above suggestions please?
"2-C | Low Multiverse level: Characters who can significantly affect, create and/or destroy small multiverses which can be comprised of several separate space-time continuums ranging anywhere from two to a thousand, or equivalents."Thank you. Merging two universal space-time continuums together is a low-level 2-C feat, yes.
It is exactly 2-C by that ultimate spell if we take Devil May Cry as an example. Look at what Mundus did."2-C | Low Multiverse level: Characters who can significantly affect, create and/or destroy small multiverses which can be comprised of several separate space-time continuums ranging anywhere from two to a thousand, or equivalents."
It would barely be 2-C and not low 2-C according to this definition I believe.
What dodge feat are you talking above?It is exactly 2-C by that ultimate spell if we take Devil May Cry as an example. Look at what Mundus did.
Oh in my new calculations I have just found that what Star dodged is not light at all.
What you think about this one?
One of the mods noted that one had the beam shoot into a wall and explode, making it not light or something.I don't think lazers can freeze things.
Though what about comic one feat?
Well, that leaves only one option.One of the mods noted that one had the beam shoot into a wall and explode, making it not light or something.
I wanted proof that dipping down is the amp you said it was. You have no reason to say that doing that would be above 3-A rather than just some amp because you have no reason to say that dipping down gives as much or more power than charging up power over and over w/o dipping down, it was both things combined that made the would-be 3-A feat.Here's a statement from the god of magic saying the wand only skims the surface of magic. I didn't really say, when it came to dipping down making you likely far above 3-A, that it wouldn't need build up. Maybe it still does. My point is that the potential of someone who dips down is likely far above 3-A, building up or not.
One can argue that but it's not objectively so, and besides she did not use it properly and destroyed a dimension, there's no reason to say that a more controlled use would also be even more powerful than it. Let alone as that feat also needed prior built up.And when it's your first time doing almost anything, you're not gonna do it properly, it's common sense.
Didn't you also say that the wand should be 3-A and even higher when dipping down? That notion clearly goes against you saying here that it's not the same as the user isn't dipping down. Idk what you mean by the second sentence as she was dipping down and had a built up.You're comparing two different situations, Skywynne isn't dipping down here, she's using just the wand. So it would make sense that it would take longer than usual. Now if Skywynne wasn't dipping down when she blew up the dimension, then it could make sense that it would take longer.
I'm pretty sure that lasso can be calc'd at 5-A, and spinning the Earth at the same or High 5-A.Like I said, the charge up you're referring to is making a lasso.
I solved the turbo nuclear butterfly blast just now. It is important as Star is at the epicenter of that blast therefore her physical durability scales.She did not tank that particular blast - she was with Marco inside the super tough glass prison as the mansion exploded. She may have done so in other situations.
Or she did so in another situation - maybe I will find it and include such calculation.
Thank you.Oh.
I solved the turbo nuclear butterfly blast just now. It is important as Star is at the epicenter of that blast therefore her physical durability scales.
Also solved the anti gravity spell.
(workings)
There's the statement of the wand being universe level with no mention of dipping down needing to be involved because you don't need to. Moon was concerned for the universe right then and there, she's not warning Star that when she grows up that then it will become a problem, why even mention the possibility if it's impossible for Star to destroy the universe if she can only do so while dipping down which Moon knows she can't (at that moment) and figured Star wouldn't be able to dip down at least until the around the same age Moon did which was 19. Moon had no reason to assume Star would be able to dip down at the age Star actually did. Point is, Star could have destroyed the universe at anytime with the wand all the way back from episode 1.I wanted proof that dipping down is the amp you said it was. You have no reason to say that doing that would be above 3-A rather than just some amp because you have no reason to say that dipping down gives as much or more power than charging up power over and over w/o dipping down, it was both things combined that made the would-be 3-A feat.
I mean if I take water over and over from the surface of a lake at unknown speeds and taking in unknown amounts of water then after a long time doing that I can end up with more water than someone inside the lake. Unless you want to claim that the latter uses all the water in the lake and not just the water around his body.
That's wrong, that's no Universe level statement like you say, "evil forces could destroy the universe w/ this"=/="they could simply one-shot the universe w/ it". We don't know the things that they would do to have the universe destroyed, we can't say it's just one-shotting it, and we have 1. the example w/ Toffe using a wand to suck the power of others and grow more powerful to do evil stuff and 2. a clearly stated use of built up of power charging up the wand to use it at more power than normal. It stands to reason that this unknown way in which the universe could be destroyed is inapplicable AP wise, and below that we can say it might be via a built up of power from the wand, and far below that it just one-shotting the universe.There's the statement of the wand being universe level with no mention of dipping down needing to be involved because you don't need to. Moon was concerned for the universe right then and there, she's not warning Star that when she grows up that then it will become a problem, why even mention the possibility if it's impossible for Star to destroy the universe if she can only do so while dipping down which Moon knows she can't (at that moment) and figured Star wouldn't be able to dip down at least until the around the same age Moon did which was 19. Moon had no reason to assume Star would be able to dip down at the age Star actually did. Point is, Star could have destroyed the universe at anytime with the wand all the way back from episode 1.
I already replied to this.Skywynne dipped down to destroy the dimension because it was her first time and didn't know what she was doing. She was only trying to rip a planet apart but she screwed up and destroyed the dimension instead. As far as I remember, I don't think anyone ripped a planet apart before Skywynne. So if she charged and dipped down, all that says is that she thought it would need that much power but obviously it was overboard. So point is, she didn't know the wand by itself could destroy the dimension, so dipping down due to ignorance and inexperience doesn't mean you need to in order to destroy a dimension.
I don't believe that means what you think it means. He was using a metaphor to tell Star that she can use magic w/o the wand but he didn't point out how it gave more power. That bigger amount of soup/magic dipping down gives next the wand only having less can just as well refer to how the wand allows the user to use some spells at a time using some magical abilities at a time, while dipping down allows using anything w/o using the wand. The more soup/magic meaning more magical abilities rather than power.So back to the statement of dipping down making characters stronger than the wand and keeping the earlier statement from Moon (the wand being universe level) in mind, Glossaryck states: "Imagine the universe as this big old cauldron, and magic is the bubbly stew inside, and your wand is the spoon... Now the wand can only skim the surface of the hobo gravy, watery and brown. But if you want to get to the chunks, you've got to dip down." When Glossaryck says universe, he's obviously referring to totality of existence (or the multiverse) because we know magic exists throughout the multiverse. Characters refer to the multiverse as universe multiple times as a couple of others and I already clarified with Jason. So anyway, since the wand is 3-A and someone dipping down makes them far above the wand, then that character is above 3-A.
Also what's with this idea that charging up is comparable to dipping down? All charging up does is let characters use the wand to its maximum potential. Dipping down lets characters go beyond that maximum potential.
The 2-C feat of merging two universes seems agreed upon, along with all the constraints and conditions. (4 casters, with a family of sprits supporting and the approval of the book genie. Plus a pair lovers hugging and begging the book genie to do final changes on the side effects)It's seeming pretty subjective at this point with our beliefs, the statements could be taken as evidence of tier 2. I'll admit just being tier 3 is a valid interpretation but mine is also valid as well. If you want to be more conservative with your opinion, then I'll respect that.
Also where does this leave the 2-C feat of merging two universes?
Ploz and I already clarified how the erasing magic feat and the merge feat are two totally different feats and how the merge is not the result of some chain reaction caused by the erasure of magic, but if you want to believe that, go ahead, not much I can do at this point.The 2-C feat of merging two universes seems agreed upon, along with all the constraints and conditions. (4 casters, with a family of sprits supporting and the approval of the book genie. Plus a pair lovers hugging and begging the book genie to do final changes on the side effects)
Unless you want to argue again it is just planets Earth and Mewni.
Feel free to share them.I have clues these dimensions are much smaller than a regular universe.
Do the calcs whenever you can and want to.3. I think I can do the Butterfly tower explosion part. But I need to spare time from my day job. Feel free to do it on my behalf.
Feel free to add more.
I am really, REALLY overwhelmed by work so I may not do calcs or explanations often enough. Sorry.
Sir_Ovens, Eficiente, and Jasonsith are all the staff that commented on this thread. I wanted to get Eficiente's opinion on the 2-C feat of merging 2 universes and what role does environmental damage and damage over time play into all this.If somebody lists the staff members who have commented in this thread earlier, I can send them a notification and ask them to help out here again.
An explanation of what we currently need to decide here wouldn't hurt either.