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Low 7-C standing has no calc.It currently says: "High 8-C physically, Her Spells and Magical Attacks Varies from High 8-C, Low 7-C with the Whispering Spell, at least Low 2-C with the Royal Magic Wand at full power, Up to 2-A with her most potent spells"
It should say: ""High 8-C physically, her magic Varies from High 8-C normally, Unknown with the Whispering Spell, up to 3-A with sufficient prior charging and preparation. 2-A Environmental Destruction"
- Unknown on the Whispering Spell because the calc doesn't seem to be evaluated yet.
- The 2-A feat isn't anything she can attack with or aim in any way to do other similar things on other targets.
Isn't 2-C by the site's own definition from two to a thousand universes? Shouldn't the merge feat be just straight up be 2-C?If it was legit, 1 or 2 sentences would do it to explain the feat. Sorry but nothing there makes me think it's 2-C, if I seemingly merge 2 buildings from a city and I'm stated to have done so and there are people there from other buildings then I merged 2 buildings+dragged in people from others too, it doesn't mean I merged more than 2 buildings.
There's this speed change for Star that hasn't been applied yet. It's been awhile since we talked about speed so the mods gotta take a second look at this and approve of it.Speed: Likely Superhuman (Dodged her own attacks at a distance) | Likely Hypersonic (Tags Hekapoo who, with the help of dimension cutting scissors, lapped Marco Diaz) | Massively Hypersonic combat speed and reactions (Dodged lightning)
@EficienteSo what, if any, changes should be applied based on this thread then?
That's true, I was only focusing on fixing the AP and Tier. You may apply that.There's this speed change for Star that hasn't been applied yet. It's been awhile since we talked about speed so the mods gotta take a second look at this and approve of it.
I believe the real hassle is:Looks like we agree on this:
Season 3 & 4 Star Butterfly
"High 8-C physically, her magic Varies from High 8-C normally, Unknown with the Whispering Spell, up to 3-A with sufficient prior charging and preparation. 2-C Environmental Destruction"
It may be best if you apply the accepted edits here, if you are able to do so.Could someone continue the editing for me? In Toffee both keys need to scale to the physicality and regular uses of magic other characters have while the second key he's up to 3-A if the same way Star is (Needless to say, he would never do that, but it needs to be listed). How he "destroyed" Omnitraxus Prime doesn't matter as it wasn't in his full size and can just as likely be Toffee sucking his magic, as he was doing that to others, to Omnitraxus, and it makes no sense to destroy him and then suck his magic.
Mostly at High 8-C, even her mom can block an attack from Star's super form and Moon's own harmed but didn't one-shot Toffee possessing Ludo. The results of those matches are most likely the same as she's a glass cannon that would mostly use hax to win (I imagine), but most if not all of the matches themselves would need to be removed as the stats are no longer the same. If redone, the same or similar results should happen.I believe the real hassle is:
which enemy fought which stage of Star & co at which level of strength.
Which we still do not quite list out the win/loss record
It's definitely unclear asToffee one-shotting Omnitraxus should still be on his profile and the "he used hax" is pure headcanon.
I can easily disprove this
Toffee blasted his ass with a wand blast. Ludo with half the wand used a similar looking wand blasts against Star a couple of episodes back.
You're giving this more meaning that what it really has, it's no rule when he had so little opponents to face.1.Whenever Toffee uses a draining magic attack it's after he KO's his opponent, just like he did with Omnitraxus.
2.. Whenever he uses a draining magic attack, that specific attack makes a distinct sound
Now compare that with the first clip. Huge difference.
This has ladders of things that are nonsensical. You can't compare human-ish characters knocked out who can just stand up when they're less tired to Omnitraxus' case, even if we ignore how only the magic part of his body is magic, compare him to characters with regular bodies is like saying that Toffee blasted a human (Omnitraxus) into only his head (Omnitraxus' head) being left and then drained the leftover magic of said head. That is literally absurd, he just destroyed most of what he wanted rather than gaining all of it like it's proven he wanted with other characters, and he doesn't act like he screwed up by doing this or anything. Even more, it makes no sense on its own that there're "leftover magic" in a normal-sized skull that used to be a giant skull right before the blast. Please reconsider if you're being bias on the matter."Draining his magic after he destroyed his body makes no sense."
It does make sense. He drained the leftover magic he had in his system. Just like after he ko'd Hekapoo and Rhomblous. OP's body is different from the others so for him, his skull/head still had juice to drain from after ko'ing him
Being at full size means that destroying all of the omnipresent character destroys all that they're omnipresent over, because logic, otherwise if I destroy a cup with a universe in it that's universe-sized from the inside then I am not 3-A, and this is no mindblown or uncommon thing. Kirby's not High 3-A because he has an bottomless dimension inside, for example.Him being sized down makes no difference to me. Toffee still blasted him away and the contents he had in him.
This is just a clear lie, and I hope you don't just have me here arguing if unneeded to. He turned his head into a fist in there, then back into his head again and then kept on moving, he didn't have a galaxy-sized body on lower floors of the castle, and even if he was submerged and super giant in the castle it wouldn't be galaxy-sized. Even if that was somehow the case, it makes no sense for the would-be blast of sheer AP to annihilate most of his body submerged under the floor without destroying said bit of the floor, not to mention the whole castle and the galaxy.
Yeah, he had, that's fitting to all takes of what he did."How did Toffee manage to accomplish such a feat with ease and with only half the wand?"
Toffee had years of preptime per WoG
Yes. Being merged with it doesn't inherently mean anything teir wise, unless you may believe otherwise, if you want to propose something out of it then you can say so and its reasons. The realm was also of unknown size and he was corrupting it over time, not that the latter matters.Plus Toffee was MERGED with the Realm of Magic after corrupting the whole realm. He was super amped up. So him being able to accomplish something like that makes sense.
Star vs the Forces of Evil - Toffee - Star Trapped into Toffe new Body - CLIP
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It would be 3-A if the place was universe-sized, there was pretty much nothing left of it and Star were to literally recreate it all (And it would be a Creation feat, not something to attack others with), she "recreated" it as in, it was dark and unusable and now it isn't, but the place was still there before. The feat's unqualifiable and fixing it has no reason to scale to AP. Even if we were to just not know nothing the feat wouldn't be impressive if we didn't have any real reason for it to be impressive, like we knowing for sure the feat's 3-A, Low 2-C, etc. Nor is Unknown a take we can have when we know how much the character can destroy when they want to kill someone, what they can or can't take from others' attacks, that the environment being violently messed around can harm them, etc. And nor is reverting back to something that was wrong an option.Then Star re-creates the realm of magic after dipping down and using the last bit of magic in the multiverse
That being said I do think the feat isn't 2-C. I think that's a bit too much. 3-Tier probably. But it's still an impressive feat that the writers obviously wanted to show off to prove that Toffee doesn't mess around and show that just half the wand is powerful. So either keep at Unknown or revert back to 2-C for now and we'll cover this under another CRT
He needs to be downgraded.