The term “dimension” is used to refer parallel universes. Just because only a specific place in a universe is explored or shown doesn’t mean that’s the limit to its size (unless we’re assuming the “Earth Dimension” aka the universe where Earth originates from is planet-sized).
Source for this?
Considering what show we're talking about, "universe" is referring to the totality of existence aka the multiverse. We already refuted this in the last thread.
The Toffee that lost to Star didn't have the wand, he had none of the power he used against the MHC. The purple unicorn just scales above Mina. And Marco doesn't scale to that purple unicorn at all considering:
Which one? the rest of the magic commission can just upscale from Omnitraxus.
She did better than the entire council... everyone's attempts were pathetic, he kept absorbing power and was already really powerful by merging with the wand.
He's actually the embodiment of space-time (which btw should make him 2-A, infinite timelines and infinite dimensions, in svtfoe), not sure where this was originally discussed though. He also maintains the multiverse and keeps it from eating itself, which could point to a stabilization feat. Also yeah unless someone disagrees I don't have a problem with removing the galactic LS when he's just human-sized. I'm not sure if we should treat destroying his avatars the same way we treat destroying the avatars of the Creation Trio in Pokémon or not, but in each case Toffee absorbing all his power should make him Low 2-C/2-A.
This actually means multiverse then, people in svtfoe use the word universe even when referring to more than 1 space-time all the time.
Can you prove those dimensions are just that small? Also there are infinite dimensions and I think the majority of them have been space-times on-screen, which means there should be infinite space-times which classify as dimensions.
When even?
1) He had the wand for that, 2) if Marco didn't have the wand then whatever tier the magic commission is at would be too much for him according to you so you can't even use that as an anti-feat and 3) Marco iirc has Low 2-C/2-A scaling in base but they're outliers I think.
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this doesnt talks about being a literal space time (that has literally infinites timelines inside it)Here are our standards for pocket realities:
Creation Feats
Creation feats are feats in which a character creates objects from nothing by means like Reality Warping or similar. This separates them from feats in which objects are created from already existing materials, which would be calculated by conventional methods, or feats that qualify for...
Thanks, if the majority of these so-called “dimensions” we see on-screen are proven to be universes and there are infinite of these “dimensions” can I assume there are infinite universes in the cosmology?
Let the scaling speak for itself I guess? If he has legit scaling on that level with the wand then why not? He could be a natural, it’s not like he hasn’t used the wand before and he has tons of experience from seeing Star do it + he wielded magical weapons for 15 years in Hekapoo’s dimension.
Quite true. Though there isn't much scaling For Marco using wand except for maybe horse, still should work ability wise.
Iirc he couldn't do exactly something to horse by wand, horse wasn't like damaged through the fight. But Marco physically overpowered horse by LS.
I suppose so, yes.
He states he is space-time in the episode, not sure if that's all the proof or not though.
Toffee absorbed his powers so he can balance it instead and this could also mean that it's a stabilisation type of thing.
Tbf they no longer had the Blood Moon Ball curse.
Tbh he responded in same sentence that saying that father time is "time-time". The context of this would also be appreciated since I don't really think father time is exactly time itself.
I don’t see a problem with Father Time being time itself, he was unaffected by the time stop that iirc affected the entire multiverse (and so was his dimension) and got knocked off the wheel by Star’s spell. Also I think we currently use the space-time thing for his low 2-C rating soooo.
A bit more elaboration would be appreciated.
Probably...Probably though Iirc wheel just stopped meaning wheel is time and Father time move that wheel....?
The bloodmoon ball is a curse determines the destiny of the two people caught in it binding them together for all of eternity, the curse was later taken care off and they forgot the moment they first fell in love iirc.
You could argue they are both needed for time to exist, as such Father time would be (part of) an embodiment of time and not the sole/complete embodiment of time. Which doesn't make Omnitraxus wrong.
Omnitraxus also literally says he is space-time before that: "Okay, nah, you don't need him. He's time-time. I'm space-time."
Actually a lot. Some friends actually call someone "the computer guy" or just "computer" when they refer on that friend who is computer savvy. There are nicknames or even aliases on characters who perform a move/trick so well people call them by the name of the move/trick. Maradona is infamously called the Hand of God for his hand ball goal that he scored during the Argentina v England quarter finals match of the 1986 FIFA World Cup.
Well I'm sure that they're have erased memory about that moment so conscience wouldn't interrupt them but I don't remember that curse itself was removed.
Well omnitraxus also says "I'm "Space-time" guy". I believe person knowledgeable on math could say "math guy", but that's it all I can argue at this moment cause omnitraxus said that litteraly on next sentence. In canon Iirc he also is more stated as guy who helds the "space-time" problem (which he did on episode of his appearance).
If you have to sleep go ahead man, that's more important.
That's not what the scene where Star & Marco did spell portrayed. In SVTFOE, whenever someone dips down and does a spell, their cheeks glow. In the scene where Star & Marco did the merge spell, both their cheeks glowed. So no the event was not the result of some weird chain reaction, it was because Star and Marco used a spell right then and there and merged two universes together, thus altering the future and changing fate with the power of love. That's what the scene portrayed.
Yeah obviously but the “guy” part of it is what’s lacking in Omnitraxus’ first sentence.
They’ll say he’s “the computer” (of the group) not he’s “computer” (as in all of it) without the “the”. Same thing goes for the sport examples to an extent. Also this works much better for something physical than a literal abstract, since usually this is based on having similar traits to the thing you you are compared with, if you have similar traits to an abstract then you’re an abstract lol.
Episode Curse of the Blood Moon.
Obviously him embodying space-time also makes him “the space-time guy”.
Yeah gn man, sleep > debating, usually at least.
The crystals fired at him.
Then the point remains, the attack was tier 8 at best.
Being an "embodiment" doesn't mean much, it's just a fancy classification that other info gives it meaning.
Well, that's clearly unquantifiable due to being poetic. It just aims to say that bad things won't happen in it to a variable degree, and in the other episode you linked he helped Star save the multiverse by not doing anything himself but giving her a tip on what she has to do so that she may fix that on her own. That card could just refer to things like that r lesser, there's no 2-A feat in it.
To note, he should also not have it when he's bigger than human size but smaller than a galaxy.
That's a problem I have, if Toffe did as much as destroy someone who is the main universe in the show then that universe should have been destroyed, as that didn't happen then it helps me wonder why does he have a tier = to destroying what he's omnipresent over. Didn't he also die at the end of the show and nothing happened?
I'm not getting myself involved in the OP debate but what do you mean by this exactly? Are you trying to say the entire SVTFOE cosmology itself is not a multiverse and is just one universe? I'm probably not reading it right, correct me if I'm wrong.
Well there are infinite Star Butterflys, shouldn't those Star Butterflys have their own separate Earths and Mewnis? We never see our Star come across other Stars, so that means those other timelines with their Stars should each have their Earth and Mewnis, and other dimensions. Or in other words, each timeline has their own bubble of dimensions.
OP: "Mm-hmm. So... all time and space are considered as one. And within it, infinite parallel universes exist—"
We're still debating about the actual tiers Star Butterfly and some other characters are at. A lot of this discussion overlaps with stuff from the last thread in which Dargoo already agreed with tier 2 for some characters. Jason and Eficiente are trying to come up interpretations of events and feats that would make the characters not tier 2 while the others and I are saying they are tier 2 using scans and evidence and such.
Basically this. We already established a speed (and the only thing left here is scalings which would be pretty easy).
Well, if you or somebody else writes an easy to understand explanation of the arguments and evidence shown so far, I could call more staff members here to help us out.
