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Yeah merging them seems fine to me as long as people know Star gains some abilities in mewberty form. Assuming a mod lets you edit the page, can you do it?
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Let's finally fix Star Butterfly.
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Yes and no.
I can do it today, but to not overdo redaction, I want also add some justifications on her Multiverse level AP, (and maybe her uni dura with a more input), as good as her uni explaination on her page.
+ Speed to have more clever tier and that's it I guess.
I can do it today, but to not overdo redaction, I want also add some justifications on her Multiverse level AP, (and maybe her uni dura with a more input), as good as her uni explaination on her page.
+ Speed to have more clever tier and that's it I guess.
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What you mean?
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Here's the speed for Star. Though I don't think a mod ever commented on the speed.
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In terms of actual calcs, I don't have any. All I have is feats.
Travel Speed:
Here's Star's dad running 10 miles in 5 minutes and Star scales to him: Here's Star also running past her family so fast that they couldn't react, seeming like a blur:
Reaction/Combat Speed
Here's Star reacting to and dodging light attacks:
The attack is reflecting off Star's sword, so it seems very likely it's actual light.
Here's more of Star dodging her own attacks from the wand:
Travel Speed:
Here's Star's dad running 10 miles in 5 minutes and Star scales to him: Here's Star also running past her family so fast that they couldn't react, seeming like a blur:
Reaction/Combat Speed
Here's Star reacting to and dodging light attacks:
The attack is reflecting off Star's sword, so it seems very likely it's actual light.
Here's more of Star dodging her own attacks from the wand:
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Seems fair, I'll request this to be calced.
Now we can discuss 8-B of the verse cause I guess it comes from high 8-C feat:
Justifications for 2-A
And the idea to link all star abilities to magic wand(the ones she gets with magic of course, the idea can be applicable for other characters with magic in verse). I've seen that idea requested in 2-A thread which give me a bit interest and makes profile maybe a bit and not necessarily but simpler.
Now we can discuss 8-B of the verse cause I guess it comes from high 8-C feat:
Justifications for 2-A
And the idea to link all star abilities to magic wand(the ones she gets with magic of course, the idea can be applicable for other characters with magic in verse). I've seen that idea requested in 2-A thread which give me a bit interest and makes profile maybe a bit and not necessarily but simpler.
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Eclipsa has a spell that can destroy all of existence and destroy every dimension: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/794966102273687612/835244991760039946/ezgif.com-gif-maker.gif
With Marco, combined all the dimensions in the verse into one. (The idea that they simply combined just Earth and Mewni is contradicted by the fact we can see Dragon Cycles flying around when they are never on Earth or Mewni to begin with):
I know one of the mods said to not use the time freeze feat but for the sake of supporting evidence, Star could damage time across the entire multiverse if she wanted to and almost did it by accident:
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I could be wrong but high 8-C for Star seems fine to me.
If a mod approved and you know how to make the edits, then go ahead.
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This fits what I pointed out above about a build up being needed for this type of powerful spells (the only thing going against it being that weird multiverse merge at the end of the series). That feat in the gif will eventually be 2-A but it doesn't start that way and we don't know how much time will happen it gets to that much power.
No, it shouldn't be used as supporting evidence as it's not on the same tier stated in the profile, which has many, many times made people believe or think w/o saying it that things like it are actually on the same tier a profile says.
The present time as in asking what hour it is isn't the same as the whole length of time a timeline has, Star can "damage" the former and a 2-A would ideally be she completely destroying the whole lengths of time of the multiverse, and the space in each universe, and whatever it is between the universes just as much. So the feat's not even close.
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Sounds reasonable. I'm not really the person with all the arguments but the merge being 2-A and not the other feats would be fine to me if Star keeps the 2-A tier with just this feat.
What tier do you think this feat is?
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Bump.
Ok, first steps are good, we have feats to make more accurate speed, we have a way to merge keys and almost have an end with justifications I guess.
Hax wise we can likely use links to magic wand and 8-B can be redone as high 8-C, so now there would be less questions left.
And since Star's profile + justifications are changed to what we have should it somehow also affect other characters which can scale to uni?
Ok, first steps are good, we have feats to make more accurate speed, we have a way to merge keys and almost have an end with justifications I guess.
Hax wise we can likely use links to magic wand and 8-B can be redone as high 8-C, so now there would be less questions left.
And since Star's profile + justifications are changed to what we have should it somehow also affect other characters which can scale to uni?
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Since when can Dio and Jotaro damage the concept of time?
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Nowhere just "no uni because of time stop".
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Star’s time stop (almost) damages stuff, Dio’s doesn’t.
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Though definitely not just "Froze time on a universal level in "Freeze Day"" like how now on her profile.
Though want to consider forces on other stuff.
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Fair, profile’s indeed outdated
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I asked Ploz offsite and he said he's fine with Star keeping the 2-A tier for the one feat of merging all dimensions in the verse even if the other feats aren't 2-A.
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Maybe pull a Doctor Strange and give her Magic a Variable Rating
“Large Building level physically (Scaling to her father and Marco Diaz), Her Spells and Magical Attacks Varies from Large Building level (Can harm Ludo’s Minions, who can withstand her physical attacks. Collapsed a watchtower in "St. Olga’s Reform School for Wayward Princesses"), Small Town level with the Whispering Spell (Destroyed Ludo's castle), at least Universe level+ with The Royal Wand at full power (Was said by Baby that she far surpassed her Mother and that her power was close to that of Eclipsa Butterfly. Her mother warned her that the wand had the power to destroy the universe; the Magic Instruction Book has instructions in case the user accidentally destroys a universe. Skywynne Butterfly blew up a universe with a charged attack. Comparable to Toffee, who completely destroyed Omnitraxus Prime in one shot), Up to Multiverse level+ with her most potent spells (Fused the multiverse with Marco Diaz)”
“Large Building level physically (Scaling to her father and Marco Diaz), Her Spells and Magical Attacks Varies from Large Building level (Can harm Ludo’s Minions, who can withstand her physical attacks. Collapsed a watchtower in "St. Olga’s Reform School for Wayward Princesses"), Small Town level with the Whispering Spell (Destroyed Ludo's castle), at least Universe level+ with The Royal Wand at full power (Was said by Baby that she far surpassed her Mother and that her power was close to that of Eclipsa Butterfly. Her mother warned her that the wand had the power to destroy the universe; the Magic Instruction Book has instructions in case the user accidentally destroys a universe. Skywynne Butterfly blew up a universe with a charged attack. Comparable to Toffee, who completely destroyed Omnitraxus Prime in one shot), Up to Multiverse level+ with her most potent spells (Fused the multiverse with Marco Diaz)”
- Obviously remove the Time Stop from her AP justification (Aren’t literally all Time Stops assumed to have Universal range by default?)
- The Whispering Spell could probably use a calc
- I think Hekapoo’s speed could use a closer look so I’ll bring that up later
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The calc should be fine to upload I think
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Maybe evaluation and scalings can be discussed. But I feel it can be used.
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Can you link the calc?
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Any moderator help spoiler tabbing the above message? This is not meant to be public without the author's consent.
And yep this is the working.
And yep this is the working.
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Spoiler’d.
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I was thinking in something like Maverick Zero X's proposal, I agree with it.
The feat above seems very unqualifiable or as attack speed at best. If it needs to be said then I mean the latter as in "he can do this at this speed but the rest of what he does isn't at that speed", w/o being an attack.
The feat above seems very unqualifiable or as attack speed at best. If it needs to be said then I mean the latter as in "he can do this at this speed but the rest of what he does isn't at that speed", w/o being an attack.
