Lay vs CC Goku

[Tatsumi504]

This still needs to be discussed tho

It depends. So we view magic power as something conceptual

Well imo
DD wouldn't stop Layz source from supplying him endless Stamina (probably) but what it would do is constantly strip that stamina away at every turn Layz has more that Pinch Point. So essentially what we have here is a continuous endless loop of Layz being given stamina and DD taking it away over and over again.
Im not sure what kind of Condition that would put layz in

IMO he could deal with it with his fate manipulation I think, kinda like cutting of the possibility his stamina is set to 1.

 

[Vietthai96]

IMO he could deal with it with his fate manipulation I think, kinda like cutting of the possibility his stamina is set to 1.

He can't do anything with stamina = 1, unless he has thought-based and passive hax, any physical movement he incap himself

 

[Ss3micah]

IMO he could deal with it with his fate manipulation I think, kinda like cutting of the possibility his stamina is set to 1.

Can we wait for Layz profile to be updated before continuing this match please?

 

[Tatsumi504]

Can we wait for Layz profile to be updated before continuing this match please?

Sure I guess.
@EldemadeDityjon looks like we've got work to do

 

[Tatsumi504]

He can't do anything with stamina = 1, unless he has thought-based and passive hax, any physical movement he incap himself

He could power null the hax affecting him though

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

He can't do anything with stamina = 1, unless he has thought-based and passive hax, any physical movement he incap himself

He can with Evansmana. Yzark abilities were literally Passive possibility manipulation and powernull for every attacks which comes after him still lay didn't got affected thanks to Evansmana.

Can we wait for Layz profile to be updated before continuing this match please?

Agree. I will try to drop a CRT for him tomorrow if i get some free time until we can stop this here.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Alright, sure we can wait till Lay profile is updated but also don't close this thread

 

[ImmortalDread]

@EldemadeDityjon is the profile updated completely or is there any additions tho?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

@EldemadeDityjon is the profile updated completely or is there any additions tho?

Nah. It's good and from the profile looks. I don't think Goku has any chance both in AP and Haxes now. Lets see if DB supporters has anything to say. I mean Lay 2A ranting and Haxes are 20+ layers and not to forget Adaptation of Evansmana.

 

[Vietthai96]

Xeno Goku can just amp himself with multiple stackable stats hax and damage hax, and he just dura neg anyway. Though hax is the problem, but i'm currently busy

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

I'd still advise to change Xeno Goku with another DBH character.

(maybe because i grew tired of him,idk. I do think he still has wincons,but oh well)

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I'd still advise to change Xeno Goku with another DBH character.

(maybe because i grew tired of him,idk. I do think he still has wincons,but oh well)

Fuu would be better may be

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Fuu would be better may be

Feel free to check the Dragon Ball (Games) page and see which character could put up a good fight.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Is Xenogoku a little bit unfair or just lay stomp him? Did I understand that correctly?

 

[oberon]

why dont you put any match with eques?

 

[Vietthai96]

Is Xenogoku a little bit unfair or just lay stomp him? Did I understand that correctly?

That 20+ layers is a bit unfair, yeah, and Xeno Goku is not the most offensive character when it come to hax

 

[Greenshifter]

Oh wait this match is still alive ... eh need a hand?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

why dont you put any match with eques?

Eques Stomps easily. Xenogoku can't do anything against predetermined fate which negs Acausality & TD

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

So,have you found a better character?

 

[Vietthai96]

Just.......not make any match, all match with MG just end up getting stomped

 

[oberon]

hey which character in mg could get top 5 most powerfull with smurf/non smurf since the upgrade?

 

[Tatsumi504]

hey which character in mg could get top 5 most powerfull with smurf/non smurf since the upgrade?

Non Smurf;

• Eques
• Graham
• Celis (when he gets a profile)
• Misa illiologue (when she gets a profile)
• Sasha Necron

 

[Vietthai96]

Everyone in MG is, uh oh, non-smurf??

 

[Tatsumi504]

Everyone in MG is, uh oh, non-smurf??

Yeah, unless you're counting those with 5-A keys like anos

 

[Orioreeem]

Yeah, unless you're counting those with 5-A keys like anos

Obviously those tier 2 characters wouldn't be a smurf in that tier. The question would obviously be asked for lower keys.

 

[Vietthai96]

Anos and Graham i think

 

[Tatsumi504]

Obviously those tier 2 characters wouldn't be a smurf in that tier. The question would obviously be asked for lower keys.

Wasn't referring to the tier 2 characters in the first place. I was just checking the lower tires, both those with profiles and without.
All Gods before Silver sea is introduced are also smurfs. They're like 5-A with low 2-C to 2-A hax

 

[Orioreeem]

Wasn't referring to the tier 2 characters in the first place. I was just checking the lower tires, both those with profiles and without.
All Gods before Silver sea is introduced are also smurfs. They're like 5-A with low 2-C to 2-A hax

Eques

2-A

Graham

Can't be non-smurf duo to his divine weapon and eyes

Celis (when he gets a profile)

Also can't be non-smurf because of his purple eyes which I think also nulled Graham's weapon

Misa illiologue (when she gets a profile)

She probably isn't smurf. But I am unsure if she can wield Venuzdonoa under certain circumstances, she never does it again tho after her arc is finished.

Sasha Necron

Isn't a smurf in her 7-B key but she would be pretty weak there and a profile needs a revision.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

She probably isn't smurf. But I am unsure if she can wield Venuzdonoa under certain circumstances, she never does it again tho after her arc is finished.

Misa is OP but gets smoked by many characters.

Non Smurf;

• Eques
• Graham
• Celis (when he gets a profile)
• Misa illiologue (when she gets a profile)
• Sasha Necron

You are forgetting Yzark , Audus & Admiral Gigi when they gets profile they will be top tier in the verse

Also Shin negs Misa and Sasha

 

[ImmortalDread]

So,have you found a better character?

Nope, mind suggesting one

 

[Undylan]

how about universal tree CC Goku

 

[Peak]

MG verse is really scary in power, I mean, before I thought that even with Lay being updated, it would still be a good fight, but I was completely wrong

 

[oberon]

cant wait for 1c mg verse

 

[Ss3micah]

I legit forgot this debate was happening Lolol
So ummm... is the OP switching out Xenoku for someone else?

 

[ImmortalDread]

how about universal tree CC Goku

Is it fair? AP is not equalized

 

[ImmortalDread]

I legit forgot this debate was happening Lolol
So ummm... is the OP switching out Xenoku for someone else?

Yap seems one of subordinates of Anos stomp

 

[Vietthai96]

how about universal tree CC Goku

UT CC Goku i think stomp Lay, his passive is kinda broken

 

[oberon]

UT CC Goku i think stomp Lay, his passive is kinda broken

what is it?

 

[Vietthai96]

what is it?

just see his profile

 

[Ss3micah]

Yap seems one of subordinates of Anos stomp

Lay must hae gotten beefy with those upgrades
How does he stomp though?
Curious to know