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This would be the main thing IMO.This all really comes down to whether DD can set his stamina to 1 considering it comes from his sources. If not Lay has 90 layers of concept hax if he can then Lay would get one attack which Goku just needs to dodge or do anything really and he certainly can because of passive probability hax.
It does. Evansmana can cut character fate itself. It's not negation it does work like severing fate of people and things.I mean how is that gonna help with anything here? He never seems to does anything in combat with his fate hax, and with the things his fate hax does it should be fate manipultion megation, not fate mantipulation.
It cut through Yzark abilities which frozes the possibility of future. And cut off Connection between Kostoria eyes by severing it's fate or something. I forgot that part. It cut off Lebrahard fate when he was nearly about to die.And...what has that ever done in combat?
He has unconventional resistance to mind manipulationDemons usually use Mind hax and/or Corruption alongside with Madness hax. But Dark Ki can result in a lot of other effects. I can list them here if you want.
Cumber,Turles and Vegeta also has a similar thing with Evil Ki (another type of Ki,which corrupts upon contact)
Crimson Masked Saiyan,instead, usually uses the Dark Dragon Balls.
Yeah. If durability negation can work then count me for Lay otherwise it will probably be a inconclusive.Bump also @EldemadeDityjon do I count u for lay?
Counted!Yeah. If durability negation can work then count me for Lay otherwise it will probably be a inconclusive.
Could someone please answer my question?I'm not gonna debate this today as I am currently working on Something ATM
But for INTEREST SAKE, can someone tell me what are Lays strong points and Wincons?
I'll try and debate on this tomorrow if possible
Sword <Sigshesta> ignores durability like it can just cut fundamental concepts of Goku without having to worry about his physical durability. Well that's the only Wincons.WELP IM HERE (REGRETTABLY)
Could someone please answer my question?
If he physically needs to cut Goku then it will never happen as untop of DD + Stamina Hax + Energy Hax, Goku also has Passive Probability Hax which makes hitting him very unlikelySword <Sigshesta> ignores durability like it can just cut fundamental concepts of Goku without having to worry about his physical durability. Well that's the only Wincons.
OHHHe doesn't use that sword anymore, only Evansmana. Don't see what's so speciap about it either petty much any sword worth shit can do what you described
It can cut fate and overwrite history, but seriously since i don't follow WN/LN much, idk much of how combat applicable it isWhat does Evansmana do? and how does it work?
It is a legendary sword that has Fate Manipulation, Source Manipulation, Anti-Magic Enhancement, and Memory Manipulation, and it can alter destinyOHH
What does Evansmana do? and how does it work?
It cut off future possibilities of Yzark like Yzark abilities blocks every future possibilities affecting him where that possibility was cutted down by Evensmana. It's stated to even cut pre determined fate. Also has HGR (his profile his outdated).It can cut fate and overwrite history, but seriously since i don't follow WN/LN much, idk much of how combat applicable it is
It only cuts what user desires and he used that sword until Pre Silver Sea arc don't see why we need to discard that and not all swords can cut through everything without breaking physical Durability.He doesn't use that sword anymore, only Evansmana. Don't see what's so speciap about it either petty much any sword worth shit can do what you described
Well...................................................................................It is a legendary sword that has Fate Manipulation, Source Manipulation, Anti-Magic Enhancement, and Memory Manipulation, and it can alter destiny
Ummmmmmmmmmm WHAT?????It cut off future possibilities of Yzark like Yzark abilities blocks every future possibilities affecting him where that possibility was cutted down by Evensmana. It's stated to even cut pre determined fate. Also has HGR (his profile his outdated).
that’s cool asf. maou gakuin has such cool hax >_<It is a legendary sword that has Fate Manipulation, Source Manipulation, Anti-Magic Enhancement, and Memory Manipulation, and it can alter destiny
Not physically it bypasses everything in its path and only cuts what user desires and if used doesn't think anything then that sword won't even able to cut anything.If he physically needs to cut Goku then it will never happen as untop of DD + Stamina Hax + Energy Hax, Goku also has Passive Probability Hax which makes hitting him very unlikely
Fate manipulation. Works more of Negation for many things. Possibilities, and damage reflection. Reactive evolution ( i mean not for lay Evansmana itself evolves during Battle)OHH
What does Evansmana do? and how does it work?
It's just concept manipulation.Source Manipulation seems SUPER SPECIFIC to the verse (unless there is a more balanced description of what that does)
Yap ^^It's just concept manipulation.
Source is AE type 1 & fundamental concepts.Well...................................................................................
Goku resists 4-D layered Fate Manipulation and Memory Manipulation....
Source Manipulation seems SUPER SPECIFIC to the verse (unless there is a more balanced description of what that does)
It can cut off Goku fate and make him die just like he did with Jerga ( well as far as I am remember )Ummmmmmmmmmm WHAT?????
Okay, in a combat situation... how would this work against Goku though?
Thinking about it, Ray's profile needs a lot of work.Lay Fate hax is atleast 20+ layers into 4D. I mean taking Yzark into consideration who is deeper layers Chief God.
Ay, I can help if you provide me scans for it. I love editing profiles. Got time for it (DM me if you want to provide them or go to discussion thread)Thinking about it, Ray's profile needs a lot of work.
You mentioned HGR and he also needs probability manipulation if he can affect possibilities, also resistance to existence erasure, resistance negation as well.
Oh well, we get there when we get there.
Lay of coursebut @Tatsumi504 who are you counting on in this matchup?
OHHNot physically it bypasses everything in its path and only cuts what user desires and if used doesn't think anything then that sword won't even able to cut anything.
That seems kinda wack but Okay.....Fate manipulation. Works more of Negation for many things. Possibilities, and damage reflection. Reactive evolution ( i mean not for lay Evansmana itself evolves during Battle) It can cut off Goku fate and make him die just like he did with Jerga ( well as far as I am remember )
Okay but Goku doesn't have a Source so how would that play out?Source is AE type 1 & fundamental concepts.
Well speed Equalized it depends match starting difference of distance between them.OHH
The only way to beat that would be to Stop Lay from swinging in the First place
Nah those actually happened in the Novels. Like I said his profile is outdated. Even Graham profile got upgraded few days ago. We are working on it.That seems kinda wack but Okay.....
So stop Lay from swinging in the first place should counter this nicely
Source is a fundamental concepts. Vs matches make it Equalized energy or whatever. But Goku needs feat for interacting with Abstact existence type 1. If he really wants to put Lay down.Okay but Goku doesn't have a Source so how would that play out?
He's still vulnerable to CM thoughOHH
The only way to beat that would be to Stop Lay from swinging in the First place
That seems kinda wack but Okay.....
So stop Lay from swinging in the first place should counter this nicely
Okay but Goku doesn't have a Source so how would that play out?
I meant stop him from swinging from by using passive stamina + energy haxWell speed Equalized it depends match starting difference of distance between them.
This match should be closed in the mean time them since we are essentially arguing with unverifiable statistics and abilities (which makes the debate super unfair)Nah those actually happened in the Novels. Like I said his profile is outdated. Even Graham profile got upgraded few days ago. We are working on it.
Source is a fundamental concepts. Vs matches make it Equalized energy or whatever. But Goku needs feat for interacting with Abstact existence type 1. If he really wants to put Lay down.
The Incapping Lays would be the way to goFor one thing without even body characters can use magic with just source.
This still needs to be discussed thoThis all really comes down to whether DD can set his stamina to 1 considering it comes from his sources.
Well imoThis still needs to be discussed tho