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Lay vs CC Goku
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This would be the main thing IMO.
EldemadeDityjon
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It does. Evansmana can cut character fate itself. It's not negation it does work like severing fate of people and things.
EldemadeDityjon
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Lets pullout <Sigshesta> 
. Bro we are forgetting the forgotten Goat sword. Durability negation and direct interaction with Xeno Goku fundamental concepts. If that's works Lay takes this.
. Bro we are forgetting the forgotten Goat sword. Durability negation and direct interaction with Xeno Goku fundamental concepts. If that's works Lay takes this.
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EldemadeDityjon
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It cut through Yzark abilities which frozes the possibility of future. And cut off Connection between Kostoria eyes by severing it's fate or something. I forgot that part. It cut off Lebrahard fate when he was nearly about to die.
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He has unconventional resistance to mind manipulation
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Bump also @EldemadeDityjon do I count u for lay?
EldemadeDityjon
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Yeah. If durability negation can work then count me for Lay otherwise it will probably be a inconclusive.
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Counted!
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EldemadeDityjon
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Sword <Sigshesta> ignores durability like it can just cut fundamental concepts of Goku without having to worry about his physical durability. Well that's the only Wincons.
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If he physically needs to cut Goku then it will never happen as untop of DD + Stamina Hax + Energy Hax, Goku also has Passive Probability Hax which makes hitting him very unlikely
OHH
What does Evansmana do? and how does it work?
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It can cut fate and overwrite history, but seriously since i don't follow WN/LN much, idk much of how combat applicable it is
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It is a legendary sword that has Fate Manipulation, Source Manipulation, Anti-Magic Enhancement, and Memory Manipulation, and it can alter destiny
EldemadeDityjon
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It cut off future possibilities of Yzark like Yzark abilities blocks every future possibilities affecting him where that possibility was cutted down by Evensmana. It's stated to even cut pre determined fate. Also has HGR (his profile his outdated).
EldemadeDityjon
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It only cuts what user desires and he used that sword until Pre Silver Sea arc don't see why we need to discard that and not all swords can cut through everything without breaking physical Durability.
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Well...................................................................................
Goku resists 4-D layered Fate Manipulation and Memory Manipulation....
Source Manipulation seems SUPER SPECIFIC to the verse (unless there is a more balanced description of what that does)
Ummmmmmmmmmm WHAT?????
Okay, in a combat situation... how would this work against Goku though?
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that’s cool asf. maou gakuin has such cool hax >_<
EldemadeDityjon
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Not physically it bypasses everything in its path and only cuts what user desires and if used doesn't think anything then that sword won't even able to cut anything.
Fate manipulation. Works more of Negation for many things. Possibilities, and damage reflection. Reactive evolution ( i mean not for lay Evansmana itself evolves during Battle)
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It's just concept manipulation.
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Yap ^^
EldemadeDityjon
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Source is AE type 1 & fundamental concepts.
It can cut off Goku fate and make him die just like he did with Jerga ( well as far as I am remember )
EldemadeDityjon
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Lay Fate hax is atleast 20+ layers into 4D. I mean taking Yzark into consideration who is deeper layers Chief God.
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Thinking about it, Ray's profile needs a lot of work.
You mentioned HGR and he also needs probability manipulation if he can affect possibilities, also resistance to existence erasure, resistance negation as well.
Oh well, we get there when we get there.
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Ay, I can help if you provide me scans for it. I love editing profiles. Got time for it (DM me if you want to provide them or go to discussion thread)
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but @Tatsumi504 who are you counting on in this matchup?
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He also has stat amps so he could just blitz goku, there's also danmaku
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Lay of course
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Counted!
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OHH
The only way to beat that would be to Stop Lay from swinging in the First place
That seems kinda wack but Okay.....
So stop Lay from swinging in the first place should counter this nicely
Okay but Goku doesn't have a Source so how would that play out?
EldemadeDityjon
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Well speed Equalized it depends match starting difference of distance between them.
Nah those actually happened in the Novels. Like I said his profile is outdated. Even Graham profile got upgraded few days ago. We are working on it.
Source is a fundamental concepts. Vs matches make it Equalized energy or whatever. But Goku needs feat for interacting with Abstact existence type 1. If he really wants to put Lay down.
For one thing without even body characters can use magic with just source.
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He's still vulnerable to CM though
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I meant stop him from swinging from by using passive stamina + energy hax
This match should be closed in the mean time them since we are essentially arguing with unverifiable statistics and abilities (which makes the debate super unfair)
The Incapping Lays would be the way to go
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This still needs to be discussed tho
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Well imo
DD wouldn't stop Layz source from supplying him endless Stamina (probably) but what it would do is constantly strip that stamina away at every turn Layz has more that Pinch Point. So essentially what we have here is a continuous endless loop of Layz being given stamina and DD taking it away over and over again.
Im not sure what kind of Condition that would put layz in
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