Lavos vs BB (Ending the Inevitable)

[Schnee_One]

Oh come on, we all knew this was coming sooner or later, at this point, I'm just ending the inevitable.

Speed is Unequalized until further notice, 5A versions, fight takes place in the Moon Cell arena.

Lavos:

BB (Fate/Extra CCC):

 

[SomebodyData]

In the end, Homura, pissed off that people wanted her to stop being spammed, created a thread from the very depths of PMMM Hell, with PMMM Satan's help, to utterly destroy VsBattles....

 

[FateAlbane]

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[LordGinSama]

This should be fun.

 

[FateAlbane]

Either way you won't catch me dead debating anything BB related after all the drama, controversy and outright urgh we've all had with this character over time. Lavos is up there too.

This is basically the epitome of Trainwreck at this point.

Definitely the culmination of "not worth the effort nor the controversy nor everything that may come out of this".

I should know better by now. Thus, I'm out.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

vs battles after this match

 

[FateAlbane]

In the end, Homura, pissed off that people wanted her to stop being spammed, created a thread from the very depths of PMMM Hell, with PMMM Satan's help, to utterly destroy VsBattles....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-ETxWmgjaE

Creation of this thread

 

[Schnee_One]

Alright if you dislike the thread don't shitpost...

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Oh, I plan to stick around to see this match, trust me. I just wanted to jest a bit. Calm before the storm. I'll only pose arguments if I feel the need to. Otherwise, I'll say fra when I find something acceptable.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Sticking around and will chime in later but hell.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

>Opens Lavos's page

>Scrolls to check powers and abilities

>That's a few

>Scrolls down once more to see weaknesses

>Still looking at powers and abilities

>Jesus H Christ

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Why is this thing acausal in base?

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Because Lavos.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Just everything else its got has reasoning, and then there's just "acausality"

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Via too many things. I'll use the lesser acausal reasonings and say that his powers allow him, and those channeling them minorly to above time and space, and can only be "killed" in 1999. Not counting the constant usage of it coming back from different timelines, as Fate explained that one to death.

Basically, Lavos is the acausal that would actually no-sell good Causality manipulation.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Just everything else its got has reasoning, and then there's just "acausality"

I get tired being masochistic from time to time ;_;

 

[FateAlbane]

Just everything else its got has reasoning, and then there's just "acausality"

• sees this in the Recent activity . HehehehehehHAAHHAHAHHAAHAHAHAH MY TIME FOR REVENGE HAS FINALLY COME START BY READING THIS FOR STARTERS. OVO I WAITED SO LONG FOR THIS.

 

[FateAlbane]

Next I'll be linking a few "small little" posts over a number of threads I had too once you finish that. Since it's all written already and has nothing to do with the match itself I won't stress myself with that. ovovovovovovovovovovovovo

 

[FateAlbane]

Jokes aside he's acausal because:

1. Transcending Time and Space and resides outside of its flow (even things that channel a fraction of its power such as the black omen work like this).

2. He was active immediately after his defeat both through his defeated self that ended up in the DBT and his past self in 12000 BC that became aware of its defeat in 1999 and worked on solving that.

3. Alternate self summon shenanigans (the blog post also elaborates on them being the same being yet different).

4. Way less significant characters are TP immune by default in the series (See CT cast which has way less of a paycheck in the space-time department than Lavos).

5. Ignored the Universal scale Cause and Effect of an entire timeline being restored that would dictate he should return to existence along with it.

6. If there were no restrictions of tiers in threads he would actually come back not long post its defeat and erasure as the DD instead of simply using alternates as that's what happened in the verse.

7. Depending if you're saying pre or post defeat Base Lavos, he is also an entity "with no beginning and no end".

There are more things than this but that about covers the main points without forcing anyone to read too much. In other words it's what Cal said: It's not that Acausality isn't justified as much as there's too much to stuff there.

 

[CrackerVolley]

Cal Beat Ya To It, Gargoyle

 

[Schnee_One]

Cal Beat Ya To It, Gargoyle

Months ago when he wasn't even a third as strong as he is now due to the amount of revisions has had since then.

If he really did beat me to it to making revised Lavos vs BB, he proooooooooobaaably would have said it during this thread would he?

 

[Sir_Ovens]

So, BB vs Homura when?

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Never.

BB ain't 2-A my man, Homura turns her into her bitch.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

It was a joke my friend, hence the comedic cross-out. OvO

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

But there was no ovo.

 

[Schnee_One]

Bump...?

 

[Schnee_One]

Bump

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Tfw I saw this thanks to the 'Pain Elemental' tag.

:|

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Is anyone actually going to debate or are we just gonna meme?

Also:

 

[Kaltias]

Nah, because it's so controversial that nobody wants to debate it.

Actual personification of the thread talking to VSBW

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Ok, I guess I'll start. Is Lavos considered "of Earth"?

 

[PaChi2]

The thread is bad, and you should feel bad for making it. ovo

 

[Schnee_One]

Chrono Trigger takes place on "The Planet" which doesn't quite resemble Earth, however he isn't old enough to override it's authority.

He's also Acasual so Time Paradoxing is moot.

So the question is, can they fully kill each other? I didn't Equalize the Speed, so Psudo Omnipresence is enabled for BB

 

[The_Wright_Way]

I'm assuming Lavos wouldn't be considered of Earth because he's an alien parasite so Authority probably wouldn't affect him. In which case leaning towards Lavos as he has more hax and has hax that can counter BB's such as Acasualty countering casualty manipulation and Time Manipulation countering Time Travel along with the whole "can copy entire movesets" thing.

 

[Schnee_One]

Yet the Moon Cell has divine parasites in it that landed on Earth.

Also, Nigh-Omnipresence

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

It's kinda useless on Lavos. Think of it like this:


BB looks at time like it's a book. Unfortunately for her, every word is " Lavos Lavos Lavos Lavos Lavos..." ad infinitum

 

[Schnee_One]

But how is Lavos killing every BB everywhere.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

With range that affects multiple timelines as a whole.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Can Lavos simultaneously attack BB at every point throughout time or just reach to a finite number of points in time at once?

Because if there's even a single second in the timeline that he doesn't attack her for, that single second becomes an infinity of instances, and thus an infinity of BB's

 

[Kaltias]

Does her omnipresence even work that way? Because that really sounds like taking Time Paradox Immunity to the extreme and saying that if i'm immune to paradoxes I can't die because killing me now is just trying to paradox the version of me that exists an instant later.