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Why are votes based on Dark Void being counted? Dark Void won't work due to an in-character hard counter and may actually backfire on Darkrai instead.
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Kratos vs Darkrai
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Did Kratos ever use it in canon as often as Darkrai uses Dark Void? Would it be more in character for him to try blocking dodging or parrying? Or even just running through? I just guess people are doubting Kratos is pragmatic enough to do just what he needs to do given his track record.
Also like...one guy doesn't change votes unless the voters go "snap, u rite" and agree with you.Otherwise Mewtwo would have less losses
Also like...one guy doesn't change votes unless the voters go "snap, u rite" and agree with you.
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1. Just a few hours after obtaining it, he spammed it constantly (in the lore) against two glass cannon wizards who kept firing Magic Null-spells at him (the narration described it as him having the thing drawn out every moment)
2. Halfway through the battle against Zeus on the end of the second game, he used it extremely often to counter Zeus' lightning bolts.
3. He used it very often against Gorgon enemies who spammed petrification in the books
4. He used it as part of his strategy to trick Zeus in the end of the second game.
5. He used it in the beginning of the third game, in order to avoid being vaporized by that giant-ass lightning bolt Zeus threw at him to make him fall down Olympus alongside Gaia.
So yep, he will definitely use it against Dark Void. Kratos isn't a brute in strategy. That's just what you'd think because he more often than not ends his fights by ripping his enemies apart.
2. Halfway through the battle against Zeus on the end of the second game, he used it extremely often to counter Zeus' lightning bolts.
3. He used it very often against Gorgon enemies who spammed petrification in the books
4. He used it as part of his strategy to trick Zeus in the end of the second game.
5. He used it in the beginning of the third game, in order to avoid being vaporized by that giant-ass lightning bolt Zeus threw at him to make him fall down Olympus alongside Gaia.
So yep, he will definitely use it against Dark Void. Kratos isn't a brute in strategy. That's just what you'd think because he more often than not ends his fights by ripping his enemies apart.
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Kinda unrelated, but I was checking the Bulbapedia wiki on Dark Void, and Ifound this out 'Dark Void can now only be successfully used by Darkrai (or a Pokémon that has transformed into Darkrai). If this move is used by any other Pokémon (including via Assist or Metronome), the move will fail, displaying the battle text "But <Pokémon> can't use the move!".' Upgrade maybe?
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No. Game mechanics. It's to stop VGC cheese with Smeargle.
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Darkrai stands little to no chance. Kratos rips him apart.
Dark Void is useless and will be countered by the Golden Fleece. Kratos in the novels literally had the thing drawn out at all times in order to avoid the Scribes of the Fate, two dudes who kept throwing Power Null energy waves at him every moment. He spammed it against Euryale and her Gorgon sons, and pretty much used it to counter every single projectile spammer in the game and the novels after he obtained it.
CQC? Kratos is much more skilled and much stronger. Bad idea. If Darktrai tries CQC he will get his head torn off or his face bashed in.
Try to use other projectiles that aren't Dark Void? Still useless. Even Power Null projectiles are canonically countered.
Aside from Dark Void, everything Darkrai has is useless, even the not in-character stuff. If he tries to get close, Kratos might hook him in with the Claws of Hades, and considering that would be a tug of war that would end his life (and his soul) right there. That's assuming Kratos doesn't choose to use one of the many haxxed souls in his disposal against Darkrai, for examplee, the Gorgons to petrify him right away and end the fight, or the Sirens in order to catch Darkrai into a spell that will drive him insane.
Kratos can also use the Head of Helios in order to blind Darkrai for a considerable period of time, like he did with Cronos, if he so wants, thus making Darkr fodder for picking since he won't have his vision for minutes.
Even if Kratos chooses to just engage he will still have the hax advantage since every hit will absorb Darkrai's lifeforce and empower, as well as increase Kratos' speed.
If Kratos decides to use the Blade of Olympus, it one-shots Darkrai since it one-shotted many people who were much stronger. And its AOE is much greater than anything Darkrai will be managing to dodge.
The way I see it, Darkrai's only shot at victory is somehow managing to surprise and catch Kratos off-guard into being Dark Void'ed. Given Kratos' many "react or die!" reflex feats throughout the series, even before he was God-Tier, that is unlikely as well.
Kratos wins 9.9/10
Dark Void is useless and will be countered by the Golden Fleece. Kratos in the novels literally had the thing drawn out at all times in order to avoid the Scribes of the Fate, two dudes who kept throwing Power Null energy waves at him every moment. He spammed it against Euryale and her Gorgon sons, and pretty much used it to counter every single projectile spammer in the game and the novels after he obtained it.
CQC? Kratos is much more skilled and much stronger. Bad idea. If Darktrai tries CQC he will get his head torn off or his face bashed in.
Try to use other projectiles that aren't Dark Void? Still useless. Even Power Null projectiles are canonically countered.
Aside from Dark Void, everything Darkrai has is useless, even the not in-character stuff. If he tries to get close, Kratos might hook him in with the Claws of Hades, and considering that would be a tug of war that would end his life (and his soul) right there. That's assuming Kratos doesn't choose to use one of the many haxxed souls in his disposal against Darkrai, for examplee, the Gorgons to petrify him right away and end the fight, or the Sirens in order to catch Darkrai into a spell that will drive him insane.
Kratos can also use the Head of Helios in order to blind Darkrai for a considerable period of time, like he did with Cronos, if he so wants, thus making Darkr fodder for picking since he won't have his vision for minutes.
Even if Kratos chooses to just engage he will still have the hax advantage since every hit will absorb Darkrai's lifeforce and empower, as well as increase Kratos' speed.
If Kratos decides to use the Blade of Olympus, it one-shots Darkrai since it one-shotted many people who were much stronger. And its AOE is much greater than anything Darkrai will be managing to dodge.
The way I see it, Darkrai's only shot at victory is somehow managing to surprise and catch Kratos off-guard into being Dark Void'ed. Given Kratos' many "react or die!" reflex feats throughout the series, even before he was God-Tier, that is unlikely as well.
Kratos wins 9.9/10
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You're kinda...severely underestimating Darkrai's ability to get attacks off, with illusions, duplication, and teleportation, considering Darkrai was able to lolsleep Palkia without the latter noticing (and Palkia was on-guard at the time).
You're kinda...severely underestimating Darkrai's ability to get attacks off, with illusions, duplication, and teleportation, considering Darkrai was able to lolsleep Palkia without the latter noticing (and Palkia was on-guard at the time).
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Grace ends in less than an hour though...
Grace ends in less than an hour though...
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> Illusion
Kratos' resistance to illusion is, bar none, the best in the God of War series
> Teleportation
Kratos has multiple feats of reacting to instantaneous, out of nowhere situations in order to avoid being instantly killed. It happens twice to thrice in every single game of the franchise. Even in his literal earliest game where he was nothing but some random demigod hero he had the reflexes to fend off time-manipulating teleportators who appeared out of nowhere in front of him.
> Duplication
Zeus did the same thing and it didn't avail him.
Kratos' resistance to illusion is, bar none, the best in the God of War series
> Teleportation
Kratos has multiple feats of reacting to instantaneous, out of nowhere situations in order to avoid being instantly killed. It happens twice to thrice in every single game of the franchise. Even in his literal earliest game where he was nothing but some random demigod hero he had the reflexes to fend off time-manipulating teleportators who appeared out of nowhere in front of him.
> Duplication
Zeus did the same thing and it didn't avail him.
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Facing before=/=not being at a disadvantage to. Charizard can beat Blastoise as much as he wants. It's not gonna stop water from screwing Charizard over.
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He isn't at a disadvantage considering he can counter each of these things easily.
Illusions are useless against him. Kratos' willpower and illusion resistance feats are far above anything Darkrai has ever shown
Duplication is useless, he has the AOE to instantly destroy all the clones with multiple weapons, such as the Nemean Cestus which can create large-scale shockwaves, the Blade of Olympus which...is the Blade of Olympus, multiple souls with the Claws, etc. He also fought and countered Zeus who spammed clones in order to charge up attacks.
Palkia is completely featless as far as "insta-reflexes" feat go, by the way, so catching him on-guard is an anti-feat for him and not a feat for Darkrai.
Illusions are useless against him. Kratos' willpower and illusion resistance feats are far above anything Darkrai has ever shown
Duplication is useless, he has the AOE to instantly destroy all the clones with multiple weapons, such as the Nemean Cestus which can create large-scale shockwaves, the Blade of Olympus which...is the Blade of Olympus, multiple souls with the Claws, etc. He also fought and countered Zeus who spammed clones in order to charge up attacks.
Palkia is completely featless as far as "insta-reflexes" feat go, by the way, so catching him on-guard is an anti-feat for him and not a feat for Darkrai.
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Meanwhile Kratos can not be countered by Darkrai. If he literally uses almost any hax he has Darkrai will be done for.
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Keep in mind Darkrai knows Embargo, which prevents the usage of held items.
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You mention that only now?
Also will he even use it in the first place?
Also will he even use it in the first place?
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The real cal howard said:
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"A Pitch-Black Pokémon. It becomes active on nights of the new moon. This legendary Pokémon has the power to lull people to sleep and fill their heads with dreams. Proverbs say that Darkrai will make people have terrifying dreams on moonless nights. A Dark-type Pokémon, Darkrai uses the Dark Void move, along with Embargo, which stops foes from using held items."
So yes.
So yes.
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Embargo is pure game mechanics, dude, and at most you can assume it to paralyze people. Which won't work on Kratos.
If you go by the animation Embargo is a projectile chain move, too. Which maks it worse.
If you go by the animation Embargo is a projectile chain move, too. Which maks it worse.
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Sounds like Power Null, which Kratos resists.
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Plus do bios even give reliable info on how a character starts a battle?
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Also WHAT IN THE GOD DAMN ****
For real tho why are there 2 matches going on between these guys
For real tho why are there 2 matches going on between these guys
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> Embargo
Embargo is portrayed as Power Null in the manga. It won't do Darkrai any good.
Embargo is portrayed as Power Null in the manga. It won't do Darkrai any good.
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1. It simply prevents the usage of items. How that's game mechanics is beyond me.
2. The move doesn't even restrain. It's not a projectile.
1. It simply prevents the usage of items. How that's game mechanics is beyond me.
2. The move doesn't even restrain. It's not a projectile.
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The votes for darkrai are invalid ss they were based on the assumption that holden fleece doesn't counter dark void
The votes for darkrai are invalid ss they were based on the assumption that holden fleece doesn't counter dark void
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The manga doesn't portray it as power null. The manga portrays it as Weavile throwing a feather at the item and pinning it to the ground like a ninja. Because only Weavile has used it in the manga.Kepekley23 said:
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We have two different portrayals of Embargo in non-game mediums:
1. Literally portrayed as not even an actual move in Adventures, but merely Pokémons using their reflexes to throw stuff at items before they can be used.
2. Portrayed as a Power Null telekinetic ability in the Pocket Monsters manga.
One of these is useless, the other is explicitly resisted by Kratos and the Fleece itself (since it has constantly gone up against Power Null projectiles and easily thrown them back)
1. Literally portrayed as not even an actual move in Adventures, but merely Pokémons using their reflexes to throw stuff at items before they can be used.
2. Portrayed as a Power Null telekinetic ability in the Pocket Monsters manga.
One of these is useless, the other is explicitly resisted by Kratos and the Fleece itself (since it has constantly gone up against Power Null projectiles and easily thrown them back)
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Reflecting p-null doesn't equate to being affected by p-null. This has never been the case. And just because you're saying it's game mechanics doesn't make it game mechanics.
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Also, let's not forget that no version of Darkrai in any Pokémon manga, anime, or book has ever used Embargo against anyone. Only a random bio from Smash, which is hyper non-canon.
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Also I love the fact that you took that line from a completely non-canon Smash bio
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Wait, that's from Smash?
...ignore the last 20 minutes.
Doesn't change the fact that one, Darkrai knows the move, and two, is smart enough to use it, being the smarter combatant out of the two.
...ignore the last 20 minutes.
Doesn't change the fact that one, Darkrai knows the move, and two, is smart enough to use it, being the smarter combatant out of the two.
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Uh...Kratos is much smarter and far more of a tactician than Darkrai is. Not even a contest. Since when has Darkrai been portrayed as remotely smart aside from just a vague "good fighter"?
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Being smart enough to use it doesn't mean that it's in character for them to use that move
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And the move is irrelevant. Kratos resists it.
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I highly doubt Kratos is smarter than the dude who outsmarted all of the nigh-omniscient god tiers bar Arceus and Giratina, and successfully carried out a plan for the end of the universe, being the mastermind behind everything in PMD.
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Kratos does. His items don't.Kepekley23 said:
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> His items don't
"His items" (only the Golden Fleece is relevant in this case) have explicitly resisted being struck by Power Null attacks
"His items" (only the Golden Fleece is relevant in this case) have explicitly resisted being struck by Power Null attacks
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Elaborate. Also I wanna talk to you on Discord. For fun. Not to discuss behind closed doors.
Again, Golden Fleece reflects, which is outright different.
Again, Golden Fleece reflects, which is outright different.
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