Kratos vs Darkrai

[The_real_cal_howard]

Mewtwo's outdated. Replace with Darkrai. GoW3.

Shinigami: 7 (Assalt, Shadow, Zephyros, Sigurd, Sptflcrw, Everything, Wright)

Angry: 11 (Paradox, Kep, X, Acheron, Paul, Kredory, Dragon, Chosen, Milly, Hellbeast1, KLOL)

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Dark Void into more Dark Voids for easy incap. I don't see any Sleep manip or mind manip resistance that doesn't involve memory destruction on Kratos' profile.

 

[KLOL506]

Upgraded to Tier 2 and he's already losing LMFAO.

Anyway, Kratos gets sleepy FRA

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Someone already did this my dude.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I like mine better.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Anyways yeah, Darkrai's sleep manipulation works on 4D beings so he throws Kratos his void.

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

Kratos does the big schlepp FRA

 

[TriforcePower1]

Kratos takes the longest nap in his life FRA

 

[KLOL506]

But wot 'bout the fleece

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Poor Kratos. It took a war to get him where he is in the tier, and now he's gonna have endless nightmares of his former tier 6 status.

Darkrai FRA.

 

[Kepekley23]

Is this GoW3 as in Power of Hope, or GoW3 without Hope?

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Darkrai puts him to sleep

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Is this GoW3 as in Power of Hope, or GoW3 without Hope?

Does it matter? How will his resurrection help him against incapicitation?

 

[Kepekley23]

Does it matter? How will his resurrection help him against incapicitation?

He has the Golden Fleece to take into account. Dark Void is supposed to be a projectile attack so it's debatable whether it won't be reflected.

 

[Sptflcrw]

Darkrai spams Dark Void and can do whatever he wants from there.

 

[NeoZex6399]

It depends on Darkrai's mentality, if it's similar to the Darkrai in PMD:Sky, I think the shadow can win.

 

[Sptflcrw]

Darkrai, in nearly every incarnation, almost always leads with Dark Void.

 

[Kepekley23]

Even if he does, the Golden Fleece can reflect it since it's a projectile-based attack. Has Darkrai himself ever shown to be able to resist his own hax?

 

[Sptflcrw]

He has the Golden Fleece to take into account. Dark Void is supposed to be a projectile attack so it's debatable whether it won't be reflected.

Not really. In the games, it's like Surf or Earthquake, it hits everyone. The move description states it drags them into a world of darkness. In Mystery Dungeon, it hits everyone in the room. In the manga, anyone around it falls asleep. Plus, in game animations have a portal open up beneath the opponents feet, which the opponent falls into, which makes them fall asleep.

 

[NeoZex6399]

Darkrai is able to put Palkia to sleep instantly in PMD (though he can't control the nightmare):

https://youtu.be/oj94Ut90jTM?t=298

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Dark Void in the anime is shown to be a projectile that expands near the target to engulf them.

The game's portrayal is secondary.

 

[NeoZex6399]

Dark Void is versatile and doesn't always have to be used in projectile form, in pokémon ranger and SSB is used in the same way as in the main games.

Games	Description
DPPtHGSS PBR	The foe is dragged into a world of total darkness that puts it to sleep.
BWB2W2 XYORAS SMUSUM	Opposing Pokémon are dragged into a world of total darkness that makes them sleep.

 

[Wokistan]

From what I remember the game's depiction and anime depiction are held on roughly equal grounds.

 

[Kaltias]

In Shadows of Almia, it's a portal beneath Darkrai iirc.

People start sinking if they step on it

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Darkrai explicitly does not resist Dark Void reflected back at him, btw, as a Mime Jr. put one to sleep in a continuity that way.

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

Look at it this way. if we assume Kratos is fast enough to block it, we assume that darkrai is fast enough to dodge it

 

[Kepekley23]

Except we can't nitpick between portrayals. If you're using Darkrai's mindset from the Darkrai Movie to say he spams it, then you have to assume his Dark Void works exactly like the movie portrays, ie a projectile attack that puts foes to sleep. You can't use another version of Darkrai with a different Dark Void portrayal while simultaneously assuming his mindset will be the same as the other portrayal.

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

uh, i don't think anyone said we were using the darkrai movie portrayal?

 

[Kepekley23]

That's the movie where he spams Dark Void like crazy. The same movie portrays it as a projectile attack.

If you try to use PMD:Sky then you run into the problem of it being a different version with different mindset and DV portrayal.

 

[Kaltias]

SoA Darkrai used it on literally everyone, although it was also because it was bloodlusted

 

[Kepekley23]

Don't remember much from Shadows of Almia, so won't argue that.

However if Darkrai uses projectile-based Dark Void it will be most definitely reflected back at him by the Fleece.

 

[Everything12]

Dark Void in the anime is shown to be a projectile that expands near the target to engulf them.
The game's portrayal is secondary.

Shouldn't it be the other way considering Game Freak makes the games but not the anime/movies, not saying Game Freak has zero control over the anime/movies, but I'm pretty sure the main games are the primary canon with the anime/movies being secondary. Also Darkrai FRA.

 

[Kepekley23]

Does Darkrai have any weakness to light?

Ironically, GoW Helios' light has been shown to forcefully banish/hax Morpheus, who much like Darkrai is a God of Darkness, Sleep and Dreams who uses dark attacks that put people to sleep.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

If anything, Darkrai resists Light If Necrozma is anything to go by lol.

 

[Wokistan]

Necrozma is also like tier 4, while Darkrai is tier 2.

 

[Dust_Collector]

Necrozma is also like tier 4.

Oof, he's not anymore.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

No I meant light may or may not be psychic type as Necrozma, who's essentially light-Jesus, is said type. Which dark types are immune to.

Of course, I wasn't serious, hence the lol. Darkrai has no specific weakness to light though.

 

[Everything12]

Not that I know of, from what I remember Darkrai itself is never shown hampered by the light at all, even its rival and opposite Creselia has very little to do with light and more to do with a Full Moon and good dreams than light.

 

[Kepekley23]

If there was a Light-type there would be enough "Sun"-related Pokémons to fill it by now.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

We thought there would be light type instead of Fairy type, but here we are.