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Ok, Welcome To Part 2 Of the Konosuba and Sentouin Thread! It came a bit earlier than expected but oh well!
So let's just get the easy ones out of the way.
Rokugo (Combatant No.6)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Combat_Agent_Six
I believe their base should be upgraded from 9-C (Street Level) to 9-B (Wall Level).
The reasons for this are
1. He was capable of punching a Solid Stone Golem and cracking it
Here's the feat in the manga
And while Rokugo claims his hands are broken, though Alice's reasoning off "if your hand is broken you wouldn't have time to scream it!" (Also she's android so she would be capable of actually identifying a broken hand) is odd it does prove to be correct seeing how he stands up and fights back up again.
(Also dealing more damage with his leg and using his hands to support the weight of the Golem).
2. He capable of fighting off a Bloodlusted Rose long enough to gain Evil Points.
And while you can argue that Rose was weakened so it can't be scaled. It's worth mentioning that the two of them were Weakened and Rokugo even more since he's a mere Human while Rose is a Chimera meaning she definitely has the advantage.
Alice
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Alice_Kisaragi
Alice should be upgraded from High 7-C (Town Level) to Low 6-B or straight-up 6-B (Small Country-Country level).
Based of this statement.
“Oh? Is that how you want to play? All right then, give it your best shot. Even if you do manage to take me out, my generator will detonate, and this kingdom, as well as every neighboring nation, will be caught in the blast.”-CWBD V5, Final Chapter.
And I'll just copy and paste the argument that FrenzyUND made.
"they left Grace at car during early morning and reached the Kingdom of Toris at dusk, this is at least some 10 hours of car trip, enough to go over big US states or big European countries.
Where it says:
「Well there’s no budget. You have to save up when you can. I leave it to you to deploy the parachute, so you better not mess up. If I crash into the surface, the surrounding area will be wiped out.」
- Volume 1, Chapter 1.
「I’ll go into the Demon King’s castle alone. I’ll be attacked after provoking some of them, and I’ll detonate my built-in, somewhat dangerous power core. Then all the enemies within the Demon King’s castle will be obliterated.」
- Vol 1, Chapter 5. It was actually Chapter 5, not 4.
The anime on both scenes has roughly the same translation of the fantranslation, without any mention of few miles.
So I feel it's safe to assume that this is the correct translation and the official translation for some reason wanted to translate something more specific than "the whole area" and went with a generic few miles that would be what the translator thought "the whole area" meant, but backfired later when the details were given on V5 and it was different.
Although of course, someone with the raws and more knowledge of japanese could back up the inconsistency, but given what I'm posting here, It doesn't seem to be an inconsistency. Google says that Japan uses the metric system, in the same scene Alice talks about the self-destruction she says they were 30,000 meters above the ground, and clearly says "meters" in Japanese ( メートル - Mētoru ), but I can't hear she say kilometer in neither scene, which I suppose it would be ( キロメートル - Kiromētoru ), but we can hear she say ( すべて - Subete ) instead which translates to "all", which is the anime translation for english and the fantranslation of the LN "the whole area".
And that's Alice done (And most of the Sentouin verse as far as I'm concerned).
Speed (For both Verses)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Akatsukiverse
Ok since this is mainly where a lot of the Cross scaling for Konosuba and Sentouin is going to come from I'll just explain the Speed feat we'll be scaling off of.
So in Sentouin, there's a Devil that's a member of the Demon King Army called Gadalkand of the Earth.
During two separate instances, he was capable of Dodging Bullets from Guns at a point-blank range.
The first feat is him blocking Shotguns Bullets fired from Alice.
"「Hey human, I’ll teach you my name before you die. So remember it well! I am one of the Demon King’s Four Heavenly Kings. Gadalkand of the Earth! Did you memorize it? Good, now hurry up and die!」
While Gadalkand was shouting, Alice fired off a shotgun shell.
Gadalkand, who instantly used his arms to cover his face, shouted fiercely and repelled the shotgun shell."
CWBD V1 Ch2.
And then on a later occasion, Rokugo Uses a Sniper to kill him (again at point-blank range) and he casually dodges it.
Here's the feat in question. (Sorry I'll be using the manga if that's okay? as I feel it gets the point across more but it's the exact same in the LN, I promise)
https://m.imgur.com/a/NbGxswq#1ivlOY0
https://m.imgur.com/a/s7unC5y#MKW2tXt
And then right after this Rokugo blitzes and kills him.
"As if impatient from waiting around, Gadalkand ran recklessly towards me while swinging his metal club. I raised my speed to the utmost limit and also went at him!
「Snow, get back! I’m going to kill him with my special move!!」
The swinging metal club and the R-Bastard sword crossed paths.
Heine was shrieking at the sight of seeing her comrades turned into mincemeat from the R-Bastard Sword.
Because I was spinning around furiously at a high-velocity, I couldn’t quite make out who was who…"
CWBD V1, Ch6.
And despite him being that fast when Asked by the author who would win in a 1v1 battle.
He stated that results would vary implying that he's not Speedblitzing Kazuma anytime soon.
Q: Kazuma from Konosuba and No. 6 from Combatants are both trash, but who’s better?
A: If we’re talking pure combat ability, it’s No. 6. But his head’s so bad, that in a matchup between them, the results may vary each time. In terms of trash, No. 6 is a tiny bit worse.
And while he does imply Kazuma would win simply due to intellect.
But let's be honest in a versus battle. Speed is a very important factor to the point where it doesn't matter how smart you are.
You could destroy a universe but if you can only move at Human Levels of speed and you're fighting an opponent which can move at MFTL+ Speeds then being that strong won't mean shit if you can't hit them.
But yeah there are other speed feats involving Lilith but this is the main one we're scaling so that's why I brought it up. But FrenzyUND Is free to bring them up later.
Kazuma
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Satou_Kazuma
Attack Potency Upgrade
Kazuma should be upgraded to "9-A with Chunchunmaru".
Because he was capable of harming a Minotaur who are comparable to Orgres who are comparable to Darkness.
"The minotaur facing me raised its axe with a roar.
I dived between its feet and sliced upwards with Chunchunmaru.
But considering my weak strength, my attack only left a shallow cut on the minotaur’s skin."- Volume 16
And even though it's superficial Damage last time I checked this Subreddit does Consider superficial damage dealt to opponents as valid feats.
Satou Kazuma speed
Ok, so we already know the feat in question for which we'll be scaling Kazuma too.
And while Rez did state we should put a " Possible Subsonic speeds" for Kazuma (and I do agree).
I also found another Subsonic Feat for Kazuma.
"Even Wiz and Vanir weren’t able to fully contain the horde of monsters that awaited us, and one of the minotaurs charged up towards me…
“Graaaah!”
“Eep!”
I quickly ducked, and the minotaur’s axe swept by just a hair’s breadth above my head.
If I was just a bit slower, my head would’ve been sent flying."- Volume 16
Now this pretty impressive subsonic feat as according to this source https://www.espn.com/outdoors/timbersports/news/story?id=3322480
Lumberjacks are capable of swinging an Axe at speeds as fast up to 81/mph which is above the baseline of speed on this site at 76.7269/mph.
And I don't see any reason to believe that the Minotaur wasn't swinging their Axe at those speeds (if anything they should be swinging it faster).
And Kazuma was able to run faster than the Minotaur could react and damage him.
"Even Wiz and Vanir weren’t able to fully contain the horde of monsters that awaited us, and one of the minotaurs charged up towards me…
“Graaaah!”
“Eep!”
I quickly ducked, and the minotaur’s axe swept by just a hair’s breadth above my head.
If I was just a bit slower, my head would’ve been sent flying."- Volume 16
And seeing how Kazuma can fight Lizard Runners, Bomber Majin, Outrun a One-Hit Bear (albeit with help) and the Author statement of him Versus Rokugo.
I'm pretty sure Kazuma should be listed at an "At least Subsonic" instead of "Possible".
And for the characters who scale to or above this well That's the entire verse lmao.
Satou Kazuma Intelligence
Ok, so I wanted to argue Kazuma being upgraded from Above Average to Gifted. My reasons for this belief are.
1. Was capable of explaining the Quenching Technique to a Blacksmith from only "vague memories".
"As payment for teaching me the skill, I taught the owner of the blacksmith shop the technique of making katanas from my vague memories watching documentaries on TV."
All of that from just a few documentaries and what's even more interesting is that the technique Kazuma showed to the Blacksmith is specifically the Quenching one.
"Sorry about it being imperfect! I researched that ‘quenching’ technique of yours but didn’t get it at all."
And while I don't know how difficult the quenching technique is, based on the fact that the Katana is one of the most iconic and praised as the strongest Blade in History I'm going to assume the technique to make such a thing is difficult.
Here's the Wikipedia page for the method if any aspiring Blacksmiths are passing by.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quenching
2. He was capable of defeating the Demon King and his generals In only a single year. Despite the fact it took 100 years (at the bare minimum) of The Natives of the Konoworld and Cheat Users to Japan to barely scratch him.
(We know it was a 100 at the bare minimum via scaling).
3. Can Come up with strategies on the spot under pressure to defeat Enemies far out of his league on numerous occasions.
Notable feats include: was able to find Iut Beldias weakness when no one could.
Outsmarted Vanir The Devil who can see through all.
Was the one who lead The Kingdom Of Belzarg to victory during Volume 9 (It was stated in Volume 11). I repeat a 17-year-old boy just lead an entire army to victory.
Also at just 16 years old during the events of Volume 2 Kazuma lead the entire Adventures Guild to victory to defeat The Destroyer a being who has been rampaging for at least 10-50 years at the bare minimum.
And he has plenty of more along with the Author implying that he can take down A Trained Combatant (Rokugo) who works for an Evil Organisations through wits alone.
4. Was sent to a private school.
Now when it comes to this we need to remember that this is Japan, not the UK we are talking about. And based on stuff I've heard being Smart in Japan isn't the same as being smart here.
With Kazuma's family, it's safe to assume that they have Above Average intelligence. Seeing how they are well off enough to send their 1st Son to a private School.
Along with supporting him financially during his years as a NEET. And based on what I know to have a high paying job you need to be smart, right?
So these two grown adults considered their Son smart enough to be worth paying for so he can go to a Private School.
Hopefully, you understand what I'm trying to say.
5. Is capable of constructing numerous items from Japan and Earth in general selling them for his profit.
That's all if you have any more intelligence feats for Kazuma feel free to comment them.
And it's also worth mentioning that Kazuma was out of school for at least 5 years but is still capable of doing all these feats.
But that's all for Kazuma as far as I'm aware now onto other characters since after scrolling through their pages, I just realised how messed up their pages really are.
Darkness
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Darkness_(Konosuba)
I decided to do Darkness first but she should be upgraded from 9-A (Small building level) to At least 8-C (Building level).
Like seriously guys Darkness in 9-A because she scales to beings who can destroy houses and shit and that's her at the start of the series
But in volume 4 she states
“During the fight with Demon King’s General Vanir, the masked dolls he created were basically defeated by me. They were difficult for normal people to handle, so their experience yield was high…!”
She said victoriously.
The card displayed her level to be 20."-Volume 4
So obviously she should be stronger, No? Especially since she took part in the Demon Kings Invasion Of Volume 6 with the requirement IIRC being Top-Tier Jobs with Levels Over 20-30.
Meaning she already surpassed her Volume 1 and 4 self and by EOS she is definitely Level 30 or above at the bare minimum.
And I don't see any reason to believe she hasn't gotten stronger as literally, not a single thing in the text implies that she is weaker or the same level of strength as before
and she's know to train regularly.
To be Honest this applies to a lot of Konosuba characters it's like this Wiki believes they don't get stronger after levelling up. and why is that?
But that's my reasoning for she should be upgraded to 8-C.
Aqua
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Aqua_(Konosuba)
I don't really have any problems with her tbh. But I don't think she should be rated as 9-B but instead 9-A.
As 1. Isn't she comparable to Volume 1-2 Darkness to an extent she just doesn't like physically fighting since she's afraid it makes her look "less feminine" (whatever that means lmao).
And 2. The Guild made it extremely clear that she basically surpassed everyone. (which should Include Dust as Luna measured his stats as far as we are concerned)
“Eh? Huh? What’s with these numbers? Leaving the lower than average intelligence and rock bottom luck aside, the rest of your stats drastically exceed the average! Especially your magic, it’s abnormally high! Who in the world are you…?”
“This… This is way beyond amazing! Mage-type jobs that require high intelligence aren’t available… However, you may choose any other job! The holy knight with its strongest defense, Crusader; the swordsman with the strongest attack, Sword Master; and the top-tier cleric, Archpriest. You may choose from most of the top-tier jobs right now!”
She can literally access every Class (Plz nerf).
Also can't Aqua have Limited Social Influencing. Since her beauty is amazing that anyone is enamoured by her (Albeit until she speaks).
But she should have it with the Axis Cult (For matches that have her on home turf).
Megumin
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Megumin
The same reasoning as Darkness Megumin has gotten stronger since volume 7-8 where her Low 7-C (Small Town Level) feat comes from.
Like C'mon, am I the only one who finds this annoying?
Volume five Megumin was Level 33.
And by Volume 13 she has levels over 40
“Exactly. My level is already above forty. A home garden or two is acceptable for me.”
And if we scale her to Iris she's around level 60 And she has gotten stronger since then.
She should be at least moved from Low 7-C to 7-C but Imo she should be High 7-C (Large Town Level) to Low 7-B (Small City Level).
But that's my first Megumin Upgrade Argument, here's the more... "Wanky" one.
Megumin should be upgraded from low 7-C to 7-A (Mountain Level).
So in Volume 6 Megumin destroys a mountain. Here's the feat in question.
"Megumin’s voice rang out across the mountain range near the capital.
“Explooooosion!!”
“Uh-huh, great stuff. Ow! Hey, keep it under control—I can’t give you a piggyback ride with you thrashing around like that!”
“Reprimand me if you must, but I just reduced a mountain to pebbles!”
Ever since we had gotten back from Crimson Magic Village, Megumin’s passion for her explosion magic had gotten even more intense. Now that I had dumped all the skill points she’d been saving into strengthening Explosion, her blasts had gotten powerful enough to present a genuine threat to humankind."
Megumin states she reduced a Mountain to pebbles and Kazuma the sarcastic straight man doesn't refute this and instead declares her as a "threat to Humanity".
And while the size of the Mountain isn't specified the text and the way the characters react imply that it was an impressive feat.
And she destroys more in a short story.
"Explosion!!"
A large explosion blossomed over the rocky mountains not too far from Axel.
When the shockwave and dust cloud subsided, only a large crater remained."
Along with the fact that she was able to casually make an explosion big enough to cover a Genbu (Treasure Island) Which Kazuma described as a small Mountain.
"A small mountain sat before us. Maybe small wasn’t the best word choice. Right there outside the town gate, a living creature so big, it would have been easy to mistake it for a mountain was just…sitting. I remembered how big the Tokyo Dome had looked to me when I was a kid. This was way, way bigger."
So can we not do that Reddit konosuba downplays bullshit of "The average size of a mountain in some states is as small as 1.333 metres".
But again I do understand the Size isn't specified so the feat probably isn't valid.
Iris
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Belzerg_Stylish_Sword_Iris
The same reasoning as Darkness and Megumin she's directly started numerous times by characters and indirectly by the Author in the afterwards of Volume 17.
That she is one of the strongest in the world and arguably the strongest. Meaning she scales above a majority of the characters.
Unless you genuinely believe that Darkness and Iris are in the same tier despite her being able to casually kill a Demon King General in One Blow and a Golden Dragon.
She's also gotten stronger and is Level 60 by Vanir Spinoff.
She should be 8-C period.
Ending
So Just to Wrap up for Antvasima and other mods on what I'm arguing and proposing.
1. That Rokugo (Combat Agent Six) gains an Attack Potency Upgrade in his base from 9-C (Street Level) to 9-B (Wall Level) due to being able to harm characters with Wall Level durability.
Here's his character page.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Combat_Agent_Six
2. Alice Kisaragi gains an upgrade in Attack potency to High 7-C (Large Town Level) to either Low 6-B (Small Country level) or 6-B (Country Level) or High 6-B (Large Country Level) based on statements that she can destroy a country upon self-destructing.
This is her character page.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Alice_Kisaragi
3.That Satou Kazuma gains an Upgrade in Attack Potency with Chunchunmaru being upgraded from 9-C (Street Level) to 9-A (Small Building Level) based on the fact that he can harm 9-A characters with it.
• Upgrade in Intelligence-based of numerous feats such as Outsmarting foes, going to a private school, constructing Japanese products.
With him going from Above Average to Gifted.
• Upgrade in Speed from Superhuman to Subsonic based on feats and Scaling.
This is his page.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Satou_Kazuma
4. Darkness gains an upgrade in ap from 9-A (Small Building Level) to 8-C (Building Level) due to her having become stronger than her volume 1 version who is rated at 9-A (Small Building Level)
This is her page.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Darkness_(Konosuba)
5. Aqua gains an upgrade in ap from 9-B (Wall Level) to 9-A (Small Building Level) based on the fact she should be comparable to Volume 1 Darkness and was stated by Guild Member to be "Out of this world".
•She should also have Minor Social influence due to her Beauty and being able to command the Axis Cult.
This is her page.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Aqua_(Konosuba)
6. That Megumin gains upgrade in AP for the same reason as Darkness.
Being moved from low 7-C (Small Town Level) to High 7-C (Large Town level) based on the fact she's gotten stronger.
Or a second proposal of her being moved to 7-A (Mountain Level) due to her destroying mountains (of unspecified size) on numerous occasions.
This is her character page.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Megumin
7. That Iris gets moved from 9-A (Small Building Level) to 8-C (Building level). Due to her getting stronger and scaling above everyone else.
This is her page.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Belzerg_Stylish_Sword_Iris
And that's all the proposals we have for the Atsukiverse if FrenzyUND has any more to add then go ahead.
So let's just get the easy ones out of the way.
Rokugo (Combatant No.6)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Combat_Agent_Six
I believe their base should be upgraded from 9-C (Street Level) to 9-B (Wall Level).
The reasons for this are
1. He was capable of punching a Solid Stone Golem and cracking it
Here's the feat in the manga
And while Rokugo claims his hands are broken, though Alice's reasoning off "if your hand is broken you wouldn't have time to scream it!" (Also she's android so she would be capable of actually identifying a broken hand) is odd it does prove to be correct seeing how he stands up and fights back up again.
(Also dealing more damage with his leg and using his hands to support the weight of the Golem).
2. He capable of fighting off a Bloodlusted Rose long enough to gain Evil Points.
And while you can argue that Rose was weakened so it can't be scaled. It's worth mentioning that the two of them were Weakened and Rokugo even more since he's a mere Human while Rose is a Chimera meaning she definitely has the advantage.
Alice
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Alice_Kisaragi
Alice should be upgraded from High 7-C (Town Level) to Low 6-B or straight-up 6-B (Small Country-Country level).
Based of this statement.
“Oh? Is that how you want to play? All right then, give it your best shot. Even if you do manage to take me out, my generator will detonate, and this kingdom, as well as every neighboring nation, will be caught in the blast.”-CWBD V5, Final Chapter.
And I'll just copy and paste the argument that FrenzyUND made.
"they left Grace at car during early morning and reached the Kingdom of Toris at dusk, this is at least some 10 hours of car trip, enough to go over big US states or big European countries.
Where it says:
「Well there’s no budget. You have to save up when you can. I leave it to you to deploy the parachute, so you better not mess up. If I crash into the surface, the surrounding area will be wiped out.」
- Volume 1, Chapter 1.
「I’ll go into the Demon King’s castle alone. I’ll be attacked after provoking some of them, and I’ll detonate my built-in, somewhat dangerous power core. Then all the enemies within the Demon King’s castle will be obliterated.」
- Vol 1, Chapter 5. It was actually Chapter 5, not 4.
The anime on both scenes has roughly the same translation of the fantranslation, without any mention of few miles.
So I feel it's safe to assume that this is the correct translation and the official translation for some reason wanted to translate something more specific than "the whole area" and went with a generic few miles that would be what the translator thought "the whole area" meant, but backfired later when the details were given on V5 and it was different.
Although of course, someone with the raws and more knowledge of japanese could back up the inconsistency, but given what I'm posting here, It doesn't seem to be an inconsistency. Google says that Japan uses the metric system, in the same scene Alice talks about the self-destruction she says they were 30,000 meters above the ground, and clearly says "meters" in Japanese ( メートル - Mētoru ), but I can't hear she say kilometer in neither scene, which I suppose it would be ( キロメートル - Kiromētoru ), but we can hear she say ( すべて - Subete ) instead which translates to "all", which is the anime translation for english and the fantranslation of the LN "the whole area".
And that's Alice done (And most of the Sentouin verse as far as I'm concerned).
Speed (For both Verses)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Akatsukiverse
Ok since this is mainly where a lot of the Cross scaling for Konosuba and Sentouin is going to come from I'll just explain the Speed feat we'll be scaling off of.
So in Sentouin, there's a Devil that's a member of the Demon King Army called Gadalkand of the Earth.
During two separate instances, he was capable of Dodging Bullets from Guns at a point-blank range.
The first feat is him blocking Shotguns Bullets fired from Alice.
"「Hey human, I’ll teach you my name before you die. So remember it well! I am one of the Demon King’s Four Heavenly Kings. Gadalkand of the Earth! Did you memorize it? Good, now hurry up and die!」
While Gadalkand was shouting, Alice fired off a shotgun shell.
Gadalkand, who instantly used his arms to cover his face, shouted fiercely and repelled the shotgun shell."
CWBD V1 Ch2.
And then on a later occasion, Rokugo Uses a Sniper to kill him (again at point-blank range) and he casually dodges it.
Here's the feat in question. (Sorry I'll be using the manga if that's okay? as I feel it gets the point across more but it's the exact same in the LN, I promise)
https://m.imgur.com/a/NbGxswq#1ivlOY0
https://m.imgur.com/a/s7unC5y#MKW2tXt
And then right after this Rokugo blitzes and kills him.
"As if impatient from waiting around, Gadalkand ran recklessly towards me while swinging his metal club. I raised my speed to the utmost limit and also went at him!
「Snow, get back! I’m going to kill him with my special move!!」
The swinging metal club and the R-Bastard sword crossed paths.
Heine was shrieking at the sight of seeing her comrades turned into mincemeat from the R-Bastard Sword.
Because I was spinning around furiously at a high-velocity, I couldn’t quite make out who was who…"
CWBD V1, Ch6.
And despite him being that fast when Asked by the author who would win in a 1v1 battle.
He stated that results would vary implying that he's not Speedblitzing Kazuma anytime soon.
Q: Kazuma from Konosuba and No. 6 from Combatants are both trash, but who’s better?
A: If we’re talking pure combat ability, it’s No. 6. But his head’s so bad, that in a matchup between them, the results may vary each time. In terms of trash, No. 6 is a tiny bit worse.
And while he does imply Kazuma would win simply due to intellect.
But let's be honest in a versus battle. Speed is a very important factor to the point where it doesn't matter how smart you are.
You could destroy a universe but if you can only move at Human Levels of speed and you're fighting an opponent which can move at MFTL+ Speeds then being that strong won't mean shit if you can't hit them.
But yeah there are other speed feats involving Lilith but this is the main one we're scaling so that's why I brought it up. But FrenzyUND Is free to bring them up later.
Kazuma
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Satou_Kazuma
Attack Potency Upgrade
Kazuma should be upgraded to "9-A with Chunchunmaru".
Because he was capable of harming a Minotaur who are comparable to Orgres who are comparable to Darkness.
"The minotaur facing me raised its axe with a roar.
I dived between its feet and sliced upwards with Chunchunmaru.
But considering my weak strength, my attack only left a shallow cut on the minotaur’s skin."- Volume 16
And even though it's superficial Damage last time I checked this Subreddit does Consider superficial damage dealt to opponents as valid feats.
Satou Kazuma speed
Ok, so we already know the feat in question for which we'll be scaling Kazuma too.
And while Rez did state we should put a " Possible Subsonic speeds" for Kazuma (and I do agree).
I also found another Subsonic Feat for Kazuma.
"Even Wiz and Vanir weren’t able to fully contain the horde of monsters that awaited us, and one of the minotaurs charged up towards me…
“Graaaah!”
“Eep!”
I quickly ducked, and the minotaur’s axe swept by just a hair’s breadth above my head.
If I was just a bit slower, my head would’ve been sent flying."- Volume 16
Now this pretty impressive subsonic feat as according to this source https://www.espn.com/outdoors/timbersports/news/story?id=3322480
Lumberjacks are capable of swinging an Axe at speeds as fast up to 81/mph which is above the baseline of speed on this site at 76.7269/mph.
And I don't see any reason to believe that the Minotaur wasn't swinging their Axe at those speeds (if anything they should be swinging it faster).
And Kazuma was able to run faster than the Minotaur could react and damage him.
"Even Wiz and Vanir weren’t able to fully contain the horde of monsters that awaited us, and one of the minotaurs charged up towards me…
“Graaaah!”
“Eep!”
I quickly ducked, and the minotaur’s axe swept by just a hair’s breadth above my head.
If I was just a bit slower, my head would’ve been sent flying."- Volume 16
And seeing how Kazuma can fight Lizard Runners, Bomber Majin, Outrun a One-Hit Bear (albeit with help) and the Author statement of him Versus Rokugo.
I'm pretty sure Kazuma should be listed at an "At least Subsonic" instead of "Possible".
And for the characters who scale to or above this well That's the entire verse lmao.
Satou Kazuma Intelligence
Ok, so I wanted to argue Kazuma being upgraded from Above Average to Gifted. My reasons for this belief are.
1. Was capable of explaining the Quenching Technique to a Blacksmith from only "vague memories".
"As payment for teaching me the skill, I taught the owner of the blacksmith shop the technique of making katanas from my vague memories watching documentaries on TV."
All of that from just a few documentaries and what's even more interesting is that the technique Kazuma showed to the Blacksmith is specifically the Quenching one.
"Sorry about it being imperfect! I researched that ‘quenching’ technique of yours but didn’t get it at all."
And while I don't know how difficult the quenching technique is, based on the fact that the Katana is one of the most iconic and praised as the strongest Blade in History I'm going to assume the technique to make such a thing is difficult.
Here's the Wikipedia page for the method if any aspiring Blacksmiths are passing by.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quenching
2. He was capable of defeating the Demon King and his generals In only a single year. Despite the fact it took 100 years (at the bare minimum) of The Natives of the Konoworld and Cheat Users to Japan to barely scratch him.
(We know it was a 100 at the bare minimum via scaling).
3. Can Come up with strategies on the spot under pressure to defeat Enemies far out of his league on numerous occasions.
Notable feats include: was able to find Iut Beldias weakness when no one could.
Outsmarted Vanir The Devil who can see through all.
Was the one who lead The Kingdom Of Belzarg to victory during Volume 9 (It was stated in Volume 11). I repeat a 17-year-old boy just lead an entire army to victory.
Also at just 16 years old during the events of Volume 2 Kazuma lead the entire Adventures Guild to victory to defeat The Destroyer a being who has been rampaging for at least 10-50 years at the bare minimum.
And he has plenty of more along with the Author implying that he can take down A Trained Combatant (Rokugo) who works for an Evil Organisations through wits alone.
4. Was sent to a private school.
Now when it comes to this we need to remember that this is Japan, not the UK we are talking about. And based on stuff I've heard being Smart in Japan isn't the same as being smart here.
With Kazuma's family, it's safe to assume that they have Above Average intelligence. Seeing how they are well off enough to send their 1st Son to a private School.
Along with supporting him financially during his years as a NEET. And based on what I know to have a high paying job you need to be smart, right?
So these two grown adults considered their Son smart enough to be worth paying for so he can go to a Private School.
Hopefully, you understand what I'm trying to say.
5. Is capable of constructing numerous items from Japan and Earth in general selling them for his profit.
That's all if you have any more intelligence feats for Kazuma feel free to comment them.
And it's also worth mentioning that Kazuma was out of school for at least 5 years but is still capable of doing all these feats.
But that's all for Kazuma as far as I'm aware now onto other characters since after scrolling through their pages, I just realised how messed up their pages really are.
Darkness
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Darkness_(Konosuba)
I decided to do Darkness first but she should be upgraded from 9-A (Small building level) to At least 8-C (Building level).
Like seriously guys Darkness in 9-A because she scales to beings who can destroy houses and shit and that's her at the start of the series
But in volume 4 she states
“During the fight with Demon King’s General Vanir, the masked dolls he created were basically defeated by me. They were difficult for normal people to handle, so their experience yield was high…!”
She said victoriously.
The card displayed her level to be 20."-Volume 4
So obviously she should be stronger, No? Especially since she took part in the Demon Kings Invasion Of Volume 6 with the requirement IIRC being Top-Tier Jobs with Levels Over 20-30.
Meaning she already surpassed her Volume 1 and 4 self and by EOS she is definitely Level 30 or above at the bare minimum.
And I don't see any reason to believe she hasn't gotten stronger as literally, not a single thing in the text implies that she is weaker or the same level of strength as before
and she's know to train regularly.
To be Honest this applies to a lot of Konosuba characters it's like this Wiki believes they don't get stronger after levelling up. and why is that?
But that's my reasoning for she should be upgraded to 8-C.
Aqua
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Aqua_(Konosuba)
I don't really have any problems with her tbh. But I don't think she should be rated as 9-B but instead 9-A.
As 1. Isn't she comparable to Volume 1-2 Darkness to an extent she just doesn't like physically fighting since she's afraid it makes her look "less feminine" (whatever that means lmao).
And 2. The Guild made it extremely clear that she basically surpassed everyone. (which should Include Dust as Luna measured his stats as far as we are concerned)
“Eh? Huh? What’s with these numbers? Leaving the lower than average intelligence and rock bottom luck aside, the rest of your stats drastically exceed the average! Especially your magic, it’s abnormally high! Who in the world are you…?”
“This… This is way beyond amazing! Mage-type jobs that require high intelligence aren’t available… However, you may choose any other job! The holy knight with its strongest defense, Crusader; the swordsman with the strongest attack, Sword Master; and the top-tier cleric, Archpriest. You may choose from most of the top-tier jobs right now!”
She can literally access every Class (Plz nerf).
Also can't Aqua have Limited Social Influencing. Since her beauty is amazing that anyone is enamoured by her (Albeit until she speaks).
But she should have it with the Axis Cult (For matches that have her on home turf).
Megumin
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Megumin
The same reasoning as Darkness Megumin has gotten stronger since volume 7-8 where her Low 7-C (Small Town Level) feat comes from.
Like C'mon, am I the only one who finds this annoying?
Volume five Megumin was Level 33.
And by Volume 13 she has levels over 40
“Exactly. My level is already above forty. A home garden or two is acceptable for me.”
And if we scale her to Iris she's around level 60 And she has gotten stronger since then.
She should be at least moved from Low 7-C to 7-C but Imo she should be High 7-C (Large Town Level) to Low 7-B (Small City Level).
But that's my first Megumin Upgrade Argument, here's the more... "Wanky" one.
Megumin should be upgraded from low 7-C to 7-A (Mountain Level).
So in Volume 6 Megumin destroys a mountain. Here's the feat in question.
"Megumin’s voice rang out across the mountain range near the capital.
“Explooooosion!!”
“Uh-huh, great stuff. Ow! Hey, keep it under control—I can’t give you a piggyback ride with you thrashing around like that!”
“Reprimand me if you must, but I just reduced a mountain to pebbles!”
Ever since we had gotten back from Crimson Magic Village, Megumin’s passion for her explosion magic had gotten even more intense. Now that I had dumped all the skill points she’d been saving into strengthening Explosion, her blasts had gotten powerful enough to present a genuine threat to humankind."
Megumin states she reduced a Mountain to pebbles and Kazuma the sarcastic straight man doesn't refute this and instead declares her as a "threat to Humanity".
And while the size of the Mountain isn't specified the text and the way the characters react imply that it was an impressive feat.
And she destroys more in a short story.
"Explosion!!"
A large explosion blossomed over the rocky mountains not too far from Axel.
When the shockwave and dust cloud subsided, only a large crater remained."
Along with the fact that she was able to casually make an explosion big enough to cover a Genbu (Treasure Island) Which Kazuma described as a small Mountain.
"A small mountain sat before us. Maybe small wasn’t the best word choice. Right there outside the town gate, a living creature so big, it would have been easy to mistake it for a mountain was just…sitting. I remembered how big the Tokyo Dome had looked to me when I was a kid. This was way, way bigger."
So can we not do that Reddit konosuba downplays bullshit of "The average size of a mountain in some states is as small as 1.333 metres".
But again I do understand the Size isn't specified so the feat probably isn't valid.
Iris
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Belzerg_Stylish_Sword_Iris
The same reasoning as Darkness and Megumin she's directly started numerous times by characters and indirectly by the Author in the afterwards of Volume 17.
That she is one of the strongest in the world and arguably the strongest. Meaning she scales above a majority of the characters.
Unless you genuinely believe that Darkness and Iris are in the same tier despite her being able to casually kill a Demon King General in One Blow and a Golden Dragon.
She's also gotten stronger and is Level 60 by Vanir Spinoff.
She should be 8-C period.
Ending
So Just to Wrap up for Antvasima and other mods on what I'm arguing and proposing.
1. That Rokugo (Combat Agent Six) gains an Attack Potency Upgrade in his base from 9-C (Street Level) to 9-B (Wall Level) due to being able to harm characters with Wall Level durability.
Here's his character page.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Combat_Agent_Six
2. Alice Kisaragi gains an upgrade in Attack potency to High 7-C (Large Town Level) to either Low 6-B (Small Country level) or 6-B (Country Level) or High 6-B (Large Country Level) based on statements that she can destroy a country upon self-destructing.
This is her character page.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Alice_Kisaragi
3.That Satou Kazuma gains an Upgrade in Attack Potency with Chunchunmaru being upgraded from 9-C (Street Level) to 9-A (Small Building Level) based on the fact that he can harm 9-A characters with it.
• Upgrade in Intelligence-based of numerous feats such as Outsmarting foes, going to a private school, constructing Japanese products.
With him going from Above Average to Gifted.
• Upgrade in Speed from Superhuman to Subsonic based on feats and Scaling.
This is his page.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Satou_Kazuma
4. Darkness gains an upgrade in ap from 9-A (Small Building Level) to 8-C (Building Level) due to her having become stronger than her volume 1 version who is rated at 9-A (Small Building Level)
This is her page.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Darkness_(Konosuba)
5. Aqua gains an upgrade in ap from 9-B (Wall Level) to 9-A (Small Building Level) based on the fact she should be comparable to Volume 1 Darkness and was stated by Guild Member to be "Out of this world".
•She should also have Minor Social influence due to her Beauty and being able to command the Axis Cult.
This is her page.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Aqua_(Konosuba)
6. That Megumin gains upgrade in AP for the same reason as Darkness.
Being moved from low 7-C (Small Town Level) to High 7-C (Large Town level) based on the fact she's gotten stronger.
Or a second proposal of her being moved to 7-A (Mountain Level) due to her destroying mountains (of unspecified size) on numerous occasions.
This is her character page.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Megumin
7. That Iris gets moved from 9-A (Small Building Level) to 8-C (Building level). Due to her getting stronger and scaling above everyone else.
This is her page.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Belzerg_Stylish_Sword_Iris
And that's all the proposals we have for the Atsukiverse if FrenzyUND has any more to add then go ahead.
