Konoha is invaded by Pirates?!

[Rocker1189]

They have Chakra, and a mind. Why would they have no physical brains? Can you provide evidence for this?

They are literally bits of paper covering people they do not even have organs you can see it when they get badly injured, like Madara having his chest burst open.

Really? I remember the ring being the reason the Genjutsu was possible to cast at all. But,
Isn't that the one Genjutsu that's basic af where the user can just get freed by realizing they're in a Genjutsu?
also, doesn't it work only with one person? Because the strawhats can just snap their companions out of it with a touch.

You have so much misinformation its insane.

Firstly no the ring had 0, nada, nothing to do with the genjutsu.

Secondly, no Naruto knew he was in a genjutsu and yet couldnt escape.

Thirdly it is not by touching people wtf? You escape genjutsu with a specific technique that you have to learn which the strawhats do not know. You are only right in that it is one target focussed but he can still use it on multiple people anyway.

They're all in their Pain Arc key.

So a nearly dead Orochimaru?

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Edos actually are made of something that looks like a paper, it doesnt have a physical brain

I'm pretty sure Edos have Organs still, no?

prove it

What? I said I remember it like this, if that's not the case, disconsider my claim.

except that jiraiya explain that it doesnt works against sharingan genjutsu

its not a ''touch'', its due affecting the chakra flow of his friends

Itachi's Finger doesn't have a Sharingan last time I checked. The Genjutsu from his finger would absolutely not scale to his Sharingan Genjutsu without proper reason.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

So what limitations does Orochimaru have? If none, then i think he is far more of a threat than people think.

 

[Bernkastelll]

I'm pretty sure Edos have Organs still, no?

No

Itachi's Finger doesn't have a Sharingan last time I checked. The Genjutsu from his finger would absolutely not scale to his Sharingan Genjutsu without proper reason.

Naruto couldnt break Itachi finger genjutsu, he needed Sakura to break it from him, so, somehow, someone alone cant break the finger genjutsu, which is exactly how a sharingan genjutsu works, u need someone to break it for u

 

[Rocker1189]

I'm pretty sure Edos have Organs still, no?

As I said no they do not, again when Madara's body gets smashed all you see is paper.

Itachi's Finger doesn't have a Sharingan last time I checked. The Genjutsu from his finger would absolutely not scale to his Sharingan Genjutsu without proper reason.

Why wouldnt it, just because it is a different genjutsu, it is the same person still using it, not that it matters anyway.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Before pain arc? So, Madara, Hashirama and all kages are envolved?

I kindly ask you to stop being a condescending PoS. But, for the sake of explaining it, the character that were in Konoha (and are from there) during the Pain Arc+the three I listed as an exception. Their KEYS can be from before the arc if they weren't there (Which is the case for Orochimaru, since he was dead)

 

[Bernkastelll]

I kindly ask you to stop being a condescending PoS. But, for the sake of explaining it, the character that were in Konoha (and are from there) during the Pain Arc+the three I listed as an exception. Their KEYS can be from before the arc if they weren't there (Which is the case for Orochimaru, since he was dead)

i thought u were using everything that is before pain arc

 

[Loyd]

Pain Arc Konoha Village
Everyone is limited to their 7-A to High 7-A keys.
Location: Konoha
S.H Pirates start at the entrance of the village

guys i think OP means everyone during the pain arc konoha village + itachi, jiraiya and orochimaru i presume we use thr version before pain arc then

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

So Konoha Crush Orochimaru then.

 

[Loyd]

yes with edo tensei hashirama and tobirama very nice

 

[Bernkastelll]

Lol, true, Orochimaru can summon Edo Hashirama and Edo Tobirama

 

[GodlyCharmander]

No

Naruto couldnt break Itachi finger genjutsu, he needed Sakura to break it from him, so, somehow, someone alone cant break the finger genjutsu, which is exactly how a sharingan genjutsu works, u need someone to break it for u

That doesn't mean it's the same as a Sharingan Genjutsu. A Sharingan Genjutsu is from a Sharingan, not a finger my guy. And Sakura and Chiyo freed Naruto with just a touch.

 

[Loyd]

still im not sure about round 2 tho maybe a blitz

 

[Rocker1189]

Also Tsunade is a strong fighter here as well.

That doesn't mean it's the same as a Sharingan Genjutsu. A Sharingan Genjutsu is from a Sharingan, not a finger my guy. And Sakura and Chiyo freed Naruto with just a touch.

You keep saying just a touch I wonder if you are trolling, they arent just touching him, they are using a technique they learned to stop genjutsu on a target.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

And Sakura and Chiyo freed Naruto with just a touch.

They freed him with a specific chakra disturbance technique they learned to break genjutsu. It's not just a "touch" lol.

 

[Loyd]

to break from genjutsu you need to disrupt the chakra flow something the SH can't do cause they never went to ninja school.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

As I said no they do not, again when Madara's body gets smashed all you see is paper.

I see. I concede.

Why wouldnt it, just because it is a different genjutsu, it is the same person still using it, not that it matters anyway.

It doesn't.
Yes, because it's a different Genjutsu altogether.
It's coming from a different source other than a Sharingan.
Being the same person doesn't mean any Genjutsu they use are equal to their Kekkeigenkai Genjutsu, wth.

 

[Bernkastelll]

That doesn't mean it's the same as a Sharingan Genjutsu. A Sharingan Genjutsu is from a Sharingan, not a finger my guy

it is made from a sharingan user, and naruto couldnt break it by himself, but sure, nobody in OP would be able to break it anyways

And Sakura and Chiyo freed Naruto with just a touch.

No, she poured his chakra

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Also Tsunade is a strong fighter here as well.

She has great AOE attacks, skill, and strength, but I think her greatest asset here is the fact that she can remotely heal pretty much anyone in the village lol. So the SHs will eventually get overwhelmed by ever replenishing numbers.

 

[Rocker1189]

It doesn't.
Yes, because it's a different Genjutsu altogether.
It's coming from a different source other than a Sharingan.
Being the same person doesn't mean any Genjutsu they use are equal to their Kekkeigenkai Genjutsu, wth.

None of this matters much, yeah you can say its at a slightly lower potency than with hsi sharingan but it is still based on chakra and based on who is casting the genjutsu regardless. Not that it matters for the SH if they are genutsued via shraingan or not.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Also Tsunade is a strong fighter here as well.

You keep saying just a touch I wonder if you are trolling, they arent just touching him, they are using a technique they learned to stop genjutsu on a target.

Physically, Tsunade will be very irrelevant, I suggest you bet on Sage Mode Naruto.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Fair. I do concede to the Genjutsu being independent of eyes, and depending on someone else.

Again, does it work in multiple people?

 

[Rocker1189]

Physically, Tsunade will be very irrelevant, I suggest you bet on Sage Mode Naruto.

Its not just about physically her healing is a great asset and she has the ability to rewire people's energy signals making them unable to fight because trying to punch leads to you moving you head to the left.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Fair. I do concede to the Genjutsu being independent of eyes, and depending on someone else.

Again, does it work in multiple people?

Kabuto genjutsu worked in a entire stage of the chunnin exam, which could have houndred people

 

[Rocker1189]

Again, does it work in multiple people?

It doesnt have to he can just take the out one at a time, and they have frog song for multiple people.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Its not just about physically her healing is a great asset and she has the ability to rewire people's energy signals making them unable to fight because trying to punch leads to you moving you head to the left.

She can also ignore her opponents' durability with the chakra scalpel, survive obscene amounts of damage, and one-shot most of the weaker SHs, but yeah I suspect she'll mainly sit back and heal people remotely like she did during Pain's invasion.

 

[Bernkastelll]

I guess Itachi alone can win if we use Itachi + katsuyu, maybe he doenst even need it

 

[GodlyCharmander]

A point here,
Luffy and Zoro have Supernatural Willpower, which can grant resistance to Mind Hax, so it's entirely possible for them to break out of the less potent Genjutsu by willpower alone.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Kabuto genjutsu worked in a entire stage of the chunnin exam, which could have houndred people

I am talking about Itachi's Finger Genjutsu. Each Genjutsu has its own properties, it's not a power level thing where you can just scale to anyone.

 

[Bernkastelll]

A point here,
Luffy and Zoro have Supernatural Willpower, which can grant resistance to Mind Hax, so it's entirely possible for them to break out of the less potent Genjutsu by willpower alone.

They no feats, so, no, and Itachi genjutsus are above baseline layers of resistance.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

A point here,
Luffy and Zoro have Supernatural Willpower, which can grant resistance to Mind Hax, so it's entirely possible for them to break out of the less potent Genjutsu by willpower alone.

That's.......not how it works lmao.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

I guess Itachi alone can win if we use Itachi + katsuyu, maybe he doenst even need it

Again, if Itachi is actually giving the S.H absolutely no chance or wincon at all, (and thus, making it unbalanced), I could just remove him, as he was an arbitrary addition in the first place.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

That's.......not how it works lmao.

"Characters with this ability may be able to resist enormous amounts of pain, act even when unconscious or well beyond what they should be able to endure, resist possession and mind control, affect their environment, or even go against natural phenomena, such as death or the limits imposed by reality."

 

[Bernkastelll]

"Characters with this ability may be able to resist enormous amounts of pain, act even when unconscious or well beyond what they should be able to endure, resist possession and mind control, affect their environment, or even go against natural phenomena, such as death or the limits imposed by reality."

u forgot the keyword ''MAY''

Characters with this ability may be able to resist enormous amounts of pain, act even when unconscious or well beyond what they should be able to endure, resist possession and mind control, affect their environment, or even go against natural phenomena, such as death or the limits imposed by reality."

but they have no feats, so, no.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

"Characters with this ability may be able to resist enormous amounts of pain, act even when unconscious or well beyond what they should be able to endure, resist possession and mind control, affect their environment, or even go against natural phenomena, such as death or the limits imposed by reality."

"May be able to"
Meaning they need feats of resisting said abilities. The SHs have Supernatural Willpower for enduring a lot of pain, not for resisting mind hax.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Its not just about physically her healing is a great asset and she has the ability to rewire people's energy signals making them unable to fight because trying to punch leads to you moving you head to the left.

Tsunade is not landing a hit in the ones which she wouldn't one shot already.
Also, Conqueror's Haki can wipe out the numbers significantly.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

So, due to Jiraya's Sound Genjutsu, and Itachi's Finger Genjutsu, the Straw Hats have absolutely no Wincon?

 

[Bernkastelll]

So, due to Jiraya's Sound Genjutsu, and Itachi's Finger Genjutsu, the Straw Hats have absolutely no Wincon?

they have wincon, which is dura neg, but they just dont have good chances at all

 

[GodlyCharmander]

they have wincon, which is dura neg, but they just dont have good chances at all

They do not, that's not a Wincon, they can just win physically without it if that was the case. But Itachi's Genjutsu and Jiraya's Genjutsu, both characters which are either dead or not present in the arc at all, make this utterly impossible.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Removed the arbitrary characters (Itachi is not present in Konoha during the Pain Arc, Jiraya and Orochimaru are dead) to balance it out, otherwise, the SH literally have no Wincon at all.