Konoha is invaded by Pirates?!

[KingTempest]

Naruto is literally immune to it due to being a Jinchuriki, right?

This is only for perfect Jinchurikis

Also,
"Resistance to Sleep Inducement (Resisted Itachi's attempt to put him to sleep)" in Naruto's Profile.

Potency of his sleep manip?
Brook has put dozens of ppl to sleep casually. Itachi has barely put a single person to sleep

You know Sanji will react to her almost immediately, which will probably leave Tsunade in disgust and expose his weakness.

They start at the entrance of the village. Tsunade's on the other side of the village.

Konoha has the number advantage and prep time. I'm sure Robin will be well occupied.

Doesn't matter at all. Numbers mean nothing

 

[MinatoSparkle]

This is only for perfect Jinchurikis

Potency of his sleep manip?
Brook has put dozens of ppl to sleep casually. Itachi has barely put a single person to sleep

They start at the entrance of the village. Tsunade's on the other side of the village.

Doesn't matter at all. Numbers mean nothing

there are also many anbu that are able to hold off tier 6 summons

 

[GodlyCharmander]

This is only for perfect Jinchurikis

I see.

Potency of his sleep manip?
Brook has put dozens of ppl to sleep casually. Itachi has barely put a single person to sleep

The Potency of Sleep Manipulation is not measured by the amount of people it works on at the same time, that's range.
Also, that's Itachi freaking Uchiha, he has one of the best Mind Hax of this time.

They start at the entrance of the village. Tsunade's on the other side of the village.

When did I state the initial position of the Shinobi? They're all ready for conflict, they have knowledge of the invasion.

Doesn't matter at all. Numbers mean nothing

Minions do matter. The weaker SH can get overwhelmed, or at least, kept at bay due to the number of minions they have to deal with while the "monster trio" (+Jinbei and Sanji too) deal with the main forces. That's nearly always how it turns out in One Piece. Take Fishman Island for example.

 

[KingTempest]

there are also many anbu that are able to hold off tier 6 summons

That stops them from instantaneously getting their necks snapped why?

The Potency of Sleep Manipulation is not measured by the amount of people it works on at the same time, that's range.
Also, that's Itachi freaking Uchiha, he has one of the best Mind Hax of this time.

He has some of the best mind hax, but his sleep manip has 0 feats, scales to people w/ 0 feats, etc.

When did I state the initial position of the Shinobi? They're all ready for conflict, they have knowledge of the invasion.

Nvm

Minions do matter. The weaker SH can get overwhelmed, or at least, kept at bay due to the number of minions they have to deal with while the "monster trio" (+Jinbei and Sanji too) deal with the main forces. That's nearly always how it turns out in One Piece. Take Fishman Island for example.

Robin can spawn limbs on people and break their necks. Half of Konoha takes a ginormous L

 

[MinatoSparkle]

That stops them from instantaneously getting their necks snapped why?

hm...I guess it doesn't.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

to break from genjutsu you need to disrupt the chakra flow something the SH can't do cause they never went to ninja school.

Conqueror's Haki.

She has great AOE attacks, skill, and strength, but I think her greatest asset here is the fact that she can remotely heal pretty much anyone in the village lol. So the SHs will eventually get overwhelmed by ever replenishing numbers.

Regeneration Negation with Armament Haki

Sage Naruto could easily deal with Sanji and Zoro, he would only struggle against Gear 4th Luffy

stop... Naruto has no chance...


So what I see here is people being ignorant, overhyping Naruto characters and being biased saying konoha wins when they haven't said how or why...

 

[GodlyCharmander]

He has some of the best mind hax, but his sleep manip has 0 feats, scales to people w/ 0 feats, etc.

But his Sleep Manipulation is by Sharingan Genjutsu, literally dependent on his Mind Hax, lol.

Robin can spawn limbs on people and break their necks. Half of Konoha takes a ginormous L

I really doubt she can do that to a large number of shinobi simultaneously, most of them with stealth, and Ninjutsu being thrown at her at every given second. Unfortunately, our girl Robin doesn't have observation to account for this amount of techniques

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Conqueror's Haki.

That doesn't help.

Regeneration Negation with Armament Haki

Healing is still possible.

stop... Naruto has no chance...

Naruto has all the chances. He has the absolute AP advantage since Ashura got nerfed, and AoE attacks which Zoro couldn't deal with.

So what I see here is people being ignorant, overhyping Naruto characters and being biased saying konoha wins when they haven't said how or why...

While I do not agree with Konoha winning, I am not seeing a compelling argument for any side.

 

[KingTempest]

But his Sleep Manipulation is by Sharingan Genjutsu, literally dependent on his Mind Hax, lol.

That doesn't matter, not how we scale hax

I really doubt she can do that to a large number of shinobi simultaneously,

I extremely beg to differ

most of them with stealth, and Ninjutsu being thrown at her at every given second. Unfortunately, our girl Robin doesn't have observation to account for this amount of techniques

She has 5 Kenbun users with her, and she can spawn limbs on them whenever she wishes.

It doesn't matter when they throw it. They get noticed, then limbs grow from their shoulders, and their spines get cracked

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Naruto has all the chances. He has the absolute AP advantage since Ashura got nerfed, and AoE attacks which Zoro couldn't deal with.

2nd gear Luffy speed Amp blitzes, Sanji's speed Amp as well and Zoro's Speed Amp.... They all have durability negation

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Healing is still possible.

No it's not if your hit with Armament Haki

That doesn't help.

it does... That's literally disrupting the chakra flow

While I do not agree with Konoha winning, I am not seeing a compelling argument for any side.

Brook soul hax.... Sanji, Luffy, Zoro blitzes with speed amps and one shots with durability negation

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

That doesn't matter, not how we scale hax

I extremely beg to differ

She has 5 Kenbun users with her, and she can spawn limbs on them whenever she wishes.

It doesn't matter when they throw it. They get noticed, then limbs grow from their shoulders, and their spines get cracked

Just a question isn't this a banned match or something

 

[GodlyCharmander]

That doesn't matter, not how we scale hax

Do not give me that when you literally tried to scale it based on range not two replies ago.
He uses Sleep Manipulation with his Sharingan Genjutsu,
his Sharingan Genjutsu is stupidly strong in the verse,
so his Sleep Manipulation is likely strong too.
Not putting it above Brook's by any means, but there's no reason to put Brook's above it too.

I extremely beg to differ

What?...
The last two scans have little to nothing to do with what I claimed.
You showed her snapping the neck of 15 people, but here, the number is immensely larger, and there are attacks coming from every corner at her. She can't spawn limbs if she's interrupted. Plus, again, most Shinobi has Stealth Mastery

She has 5 Kenbun users with her, and she can spawn limbs on them whenever she wishes.

It doesn't matter when they throw it. They get noticed, then limbs grow from their shoulders, and their spines get cracked

You see, they getting noticed is the problem. Robin literally can't attack if she doesn't visibly see the target, she couldn't use her powers when her vision got blocked.

also, what do you mean "she has 5 Kenbun users with her"?
this would be low-key the scale of a pocket-civil war, I'm pretty sure the "big three" would be occupied with threats much bigger than that.

 

[KingTempest]

Do not give me that when you literally tried to scale it based on range not two replies ago.
He uses Sleep Manipulation with his Sharingan Genjutsu,
his Sharingan Genjutsu is stupidly strong in the verse,
so his Sleep Manipulation is likely strong too.
Not putting it above Brook's by any means, but there's no reason to put Brook's above it too.

Brook actually put people to sleep.
Itachi hasn't.

Itachi has no feats of putting people to sleep. You're scaling Naruto to a weakened Itachi's genjutsu which has no feats of putting people to sleep.
Superior genjutsu ≠ superior effects all around. Some genjutsu puts people to sleep, some genjutsu incaps people and hospitalizes them. IT is superior to Itachi's Tsukuyomi, and nobody was hospitalized from IT.

You don't scale hax like that.

What?...
The last two scans have little to nothing to do with what I claimed.
You showed her snapping the neck of 15 people, but here, the number is immensely larger, and there are attacks coming from every corner at her. She can't spawn limbs if she's interrupted. Plus, again, most Shinobi has Stealth Mastery

Snap neck, move back to a new group, snap neck.

You see, they getting noticed is the problem. Robin literally can't attack if she doesn't visibly see the target, she couldn't use her powers when her vision got blocked.

Ok, and half the ninja in Konoha fight out in the open. They have stealth users that don't use stealth mastery.

also, what do you mean "she has 5 Kenbun users with her"?
this would be low-key the scale of a pocket-civil war, I'm pretty sure the "big three" would be occupied with threats much bigger than that.

The straw hats always fight together. They don't split up to fight individuals when there are multiple threads around.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

How the **** is Konoha supposed to win?

 

[KingTempest]

How the **** is Konoha supposed to win?

Large scale jutsu, divide and conquer, etc.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

So first luffy uses this

Or this

which will destroy konoha... And there will be very little survivors And then the strawhats will only have the stronger fighters left.... They get speed amped and durability negated...

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Brook actually put people to sleep.
Itachi hasn't.

Itachi has no feats of putting people to sleep. You're scaling Naruto to a weakened Itachi's genjutsu which has no feats of putting people to sleep.
Superior genjutsu ≠ superior effects all around. Some genjutsu puts people to sleep, some genjutsu incaps people and hospitalizes them.

IT is superior to Itachi's Tsukuyomi, and nobody was hospitalized from IT.

You don't scale hax like that.

Read that again, you will realize you've contradicted yourself.
The fact Itachi hasn't put anyone to sleep on screen (especially since he is always dealing with people who can control their Chakra, duh) is not enough to deem his Sleep Manipulation as weaker or stronger, because, as you said, you don't scale Hax like that.

Snap neck, move back to a new group, snap neck.

That's very pretentious. They're in their own village though.

Ok, and half the ninja in Konoha fight out in the open. They have stealth users that don't use stealth mastery.

They can still use their Stealth Mastery (Anbu), especially if they see Robin's power. Btw, what's stopping Shikamaru to just freeze her in place while hiding? Kenbun won't help with shadows, and with the paralysis, since it's not noticable damage.

The straw hats always fight together. They don't split up to fight individuals when there are multiple threads around.

"They don't split up", bullshit.

you do realize you're talking about One Piece and this is absolutely bullshit right?
they do fight together when it's to take down a single enemy, but they always split up when it comes down to hordes of enemies. Also, what's stopping Konoha's AoE Ninjutsus from separating them? They have prep time, you think they can't come up with a simple plan to do that?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

They can still use their Stealth Mastery (Anbu), especially if they see Robin's power. Btw, what's stopping Shikamaru to just freeze her in place while hiding? Kenbun won't help with shadows, and with the paralysis, since it's not noticable damage.

Luffy uses conquerors haki... This ain't happening...

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Also, what's stopping Konoha's AoE Ninjutsus from separating them? They have prep time, you think they can't come up with a simple plan to do that?

Future sight and Armament haki

 

[KingTempest]

Read that again, you will realize you've contradicted yourself.
The fact Itachi hasn't put anyone to sleep on screen (especially since he is always dealing with people who can control their Chakra, duh) is not enough to deem his Sleep Manipulation as weaker or stronger, because, as you said, you don't scale Hax like that.

So you have no feats of Itachi's sleep manip? Okay.
Brook sleep manips everybody.

That's very pretentious. They're in their own village though.

Ok. She spawns big legs and stomps everybody out, which is in character.

They can still use their Stealth Mastery (Anbu), especially if they see Robin's power.

And they die the moment they see it.

Btw, what's stopping Shikamaru to just freeze her in place while hiding? Kenbun won't help with shadows, and with the paralysis, since it's not noticable damage.

She doesn't need to move to create her limbs. It's not like he stops abilities from working. She can spawn limbs on him too.

"They don't split up", bullshit.

you do realize you're talking about One Piece and this is absolutely bullshit right?
they do fight together when it's to take down a single enemy, but they always split up when it comes down to hordes of enemies. Also, what's stopping Konoha's AoE Ninjutsus from separating them? They have prep time, you think they can't come up with a simple plan to do that?

Enies Lobby, they worked together.
Fishmen Island, they worked together.
Onigashima, they worked together until it was time to split.

What are you referring to.

 

[Kidkinsey]

I think No


I think yes


Sanji will Handle this, with his speed amps Diable Jambe + Raid Suit

Kakashi also has access to speed amps and the sharingan can see camoflouged targets so he MIGHT see sanji if he cloaks up

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Just a nitpick I've got, Itachi has actually put a character to sleep inverse. The woman he mindhaxed to distract Jiraiya in Part One. Also he does it through Mind Manipulate with his Sharingan. Why are we saying it doesn't scale to his Sharingan?

 

[Kidkinsey]

He put the leaf guards to sleep upon his return (anime only so idk if its useable)
he also put Mist ninja to sleep This flashback is canon since it adapted his novels, its right under "genjutsu tumblr" if anybody wants to see it

 

[KingTempest]

Just a nitpick I've got, Itachi has actually put a character to sleep inverse. The woman he mindhaxed to distract Jiraiya in Part One. Also he does it through Mind Manipulate with his Sharingan. Why are we saying it doesn't scale to his Sharingan?

She never put her to sleep, he hypnotized her. She fell asleep for unknown causes.

We're not saying that, we're saying that he has no feats superior to Brook's sleep manip.

You don't cross scale hax like that. Saying someone can mindhax someone so they can sleephax someone else with potency comparable to their mindhax isn't how it works.

he also put Mist ninja to sleep This flashback is canon since it adapted his novels, its right under "genjutsu tumblr" if anybody wants to see it

So that's 1 feat

 

[Kidkinsey]

How the **** is Konoha supposed to win?

Genjutsu shikamaru and his dad big big brain plans katsyu acid sealing jutsu mind transfer jutsu etc, the konoha forces are pretty good look at the pain invasion
as long as luffy isnt in the area summons will be very helpful

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

She never put her to sleep, he hypnotized her. She fell asleep for unknown causes.

We're not saying that, we're saying that he has no feats superior to Brook's sleep manip.

You don't cross scale hax like that. Saying someone can mindhax someone so they can sleephax someone else with potency comparable to their mindhax isn't how it works.

So that's 1 feat

Ok I miss remembered then. But it isn't cross scaling two entirely different abilities. It is the same ability (Sharingan genjutsu) with a different utility (sleep instead of mind control).

 

[LordGinSama]

Brook sleep haxes, Soul ***** or freezes.

 

[KingTempest]

Ok I miss remembered then. But it isn't cross scaling two entirely different abilities. It is the same ability (Sharingan genjutsu) with a different utility (sleep instead of mind control).

The ability in general is mind manip.

He's hyping his sleep manip cause his mind manip is good

 

[Kidkinsey]

to be fair they are kinda intertwined

 

[Kidkinsey]

can you power your way out his ice? Havent seen it used in a while or fire users can use thaw their friends out

 

[LordGinSama]

It freezes the blood so movement is restricted when he freezes you. This is also a different type of ice as its from the Underworld.

 

[Kidkinsey]

Shiddddddd would thawing out even work

 

[KingTempest]

Nada

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Voting Strawhats For Round 1 and Round 2

 

[WrongIdea21]

Kakashi also has access to speed amps and the sharingan can see camoflouged targets so he MIGHT see sanji if he cloaks up

Yes, but Kakashi Never doing Kamui to Invisible Object isn't?

 

[KingTempest]

Haki users resist teleportation

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

Usopp solos Naruto, he's a god.

Jokes aside, don't give it up, Luffy, don't give it up, Zolo, don't give it up, Nami FRA

 

[GodlyCharmander]

So you have no feats of Itachi's sleep manip? Okay.
Brook sleep manips everybody.

Circular Argument. Kinda disappointed ngl.

Ok. She spawns big legs and stomps everybody out, which is in character.

You don't understand the scenario of a war right?

And they die the moment they see it.

Sigh...
Robin can only spawn limbs where she sees, if anyone took notice of said power from afar, they'd use Stealth Mastery. They have strategists who'd think this immediately.

She doesn't need to move to create her limbs. It's not like he stops abilities from working. She can spawn limbs on him too.

She needs to do her pose to spawn limbs, and you know it.

Enies Lobby, they worked together.
Fishmen Island, they worked together.
Onigashima, they worked together until it was time to split.

Bullshit, they were dealing with their own problems in Enies Lobby, they'd only eventually step in each other's fight. And robin got overwhelmed by numbers there. Again, Zoro dealing with Navy Captains and Robin/Nami dealing with fodder and minions, just like the scenario I'm providing here.

Bullshit, Luffy were dealing with the main force, Zoro and Sanji fighting the stronger Fishman. Yet again, the weaker Strawhats were dealing with minions for a extended period of time.

Bullshit, they all have their individual fights.


Being in the same scenario /=/ fighting together.

 

[KingTempest]

Circular Argument. Kinda disappointed ngl.

You have no feats showing his sleep manip superior to Brook's, so idm

You don't understand the scenario of a war right?

You don't understand the scenario of walk into a village and stomp people out right?

Sigh...
Robin can only spawn limbs where she sees, if anyone took notice of said power from afar, they'd use Stealth Mastery. They have strategists who'd think this immediately.

They are in a village.
She will stomp the buildings out.

She needs to do her pose to spawn limbs, and you know it.

In her introduction she didn't even do her pose.

Bullshit, they were dealing with their own problems in Enies Lobby, they'd only eventually step in each other's fight. And robin got overwhelmed by numbers there. Again, Zoro dealing with Navy Captains and Robin/Nami dealing with fodder and minions, just like the scenario I'm providing here.

So they weren't all together?
Maybe they fought different people, but they were still unified.

Bullshit, Luffy were dealing with the main force, Zoro and Sanji fighting the stronger Fishman. Yet again, the weaker Strawhats were dealing with minions for a extended period of time.

And they were still together until Luffy left. Chopper and Usopp were doing combos. Jinbe and Robin were working together. They never left.

Bullshit, they all have their individual fights.

Being in the same scenario /=/ fighting together.

I beg to differ