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Knuckles vs not Meta Knight (Completed)

  • It's taken from granted that Knuckles would just start with hax for no reason, he's not that smart, we at least know that he went h2h against Infinite's clones when the odds were against him.
  • The Wisps aren't standard equipment, it says so in his standard equipment, those powers are in the Optional Equipment of his P&A and he's never with Wisps every time you see the character, he just picks them up.
  • Knuckles being able to paralyse someone with GK's power is a huge NLF.
 
Eficiente said:
  • It's taken from granted that Knuckles would just start with hax for no reason, he's not that smart, we at least know that he went h2h against Infinite's clones when the odds were against him.
  • The Wisps aren't standard equipment, it says so in his standard equipment, those powers are in the Optional Equipment of his P&A and he's never with Wisps every time you see the character, he just picks them up.
  • Knuckles being able to paralyse someone with GK's power is a huge NLF.
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uhm but knux is bloodlusted
 
Knuckles is assuming a bloodlusted condition, Power Flash is taken as his opening move to cause a paralysis inducement, we are not considering Knuckles in-character for such match.

Eficiente should be have warned about such thing, btw, also, if the wisps are not in-character then his kind of option is trying using chaos powers to induce diferent effects.
 
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Eficiente said:
  • It's taken from granted that Knuckles would just start with hax for no reason, he's not that smart, we at least know that he went h2h against Infinite's clones when the odds were against him.
  • The Wisps aren't standard equipment, it says so in his standard equipment, those powers are in the Optional Equipment of his P&A and he's never with Wisps every time you see the character, he just picks them up.
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He is bloodlusted here, and wisps are indeed standard, they being in the wrong tabber is an error, Sonic, Tails and Knuckles have it in as standard equipment
"He just picks them up", false, in every game you say "he picks them up" he also uses them
Eficiente said:
Knuckles being able to paralyse someone with GK's power is a huge NLF.
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It's not AP based, so no, the only fallacy here is assuming AP resists hax
 
A character's own intelligence still applies and there no reason for Knuckles to start with hax just because he only wants to win, only wanting to win can make him go faster than normal to punch others harder than normal and more aggressively so.

I imagined his profile was being precise.

Paralyse if it isn't mind-based then will target weaker parts of muscles or restrict moves due to its own power, none of which will do anything due to GK being far more power and having more LS.
 
Eficiente said:
A character's own intelligence still applies and there no reason for Knuckles to start with hax just because he only wants to win, only wanting to win can make him go faster than normal to punch others harder than normal and more aggressively so.
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Nah, read the page:
"Bloodlust refers to a state where a character is fighting without any inhibitions, and cares about nothing other than defeating the enemy.

Bloodlusted characters fear nothing, and won't hesitate taking injures if it leads to a higher probability of winning a battle.

A bloodlusted character will not be victim to Character-Induced Stupidity, and will be much more likely to speed blitz opponents (if doing so is within their powerset)."
"Induced bloodlust means the character is free from Plot-Induced Stupidity, whereas naturally bloodlusted characters are still vulnerable to this, and are often hampered by it even more than level-headed characters."

Plus Power Flash is one of his signature abilities he does use when fighting Rouge, you can't claim he would just punch like a brute when he hasn't even non bloodlusted
Eficiente said:
Paralyse if it isn't mind-based then will target weaker parts of muscles or restrict moves due to its own power, none of which will do anything due to GK being far more power and having more LS.
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Power Flash works by using a flash of light that disables someone's movements, it has nothing to do with AP, this is all just your headcanon of how the move works
 
Eficiente said:
A character's own intelligence still applies and there no reason for Knuckles to start with hax just because he only wants to win, only wanting to win can make him go faster than normal to punch others harder than normal and more aggressively so.
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Bloodlusted doesn't allow Knuckles to access any CIS by default, it's even explained on the page so, the Kid Buu example pretty much clarifies this kind of thing, as such character can start by any kind of move they want, so I don't see the meaning of making this point when in-character stupidities aren't even considered.
Eficiente said:
Paralyse if it isn't mind-based then will target weaker parts of muscles or restrict moves due to its own power, none of which will do anything due to GK being far more power and having more LS
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Basically what Theuser said.
 
Speed is equal:
Per default the following rules and assumptions will be taken if a match takes place in a speed equalized setting:
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  • The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight etc.
 
Both are massively FTL+ and attacks scale to how fast they are compared to the characters if both a massively hypersonic and normal human speed character use normal guns we make the hypersonic character's gun useless and normal human's gun blitz.
 
Lou_change said:
Both are massively FTL+ and attacks scale to how fast they are compared to the characters if both a massively hypersonic and normal human speed character use normal guns we make the hypersonic character's gun useless and normal human's gun blitz.
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Speed is equalized to the slower character's speed
 
No, read what I posted again:
The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight etc.
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What you are saying would break the "slower character can't speed blitz the faster" rule
 
Is that the current standard? Anyway I know that's what the big speed equalized standard thread said.

Also yeah I know it is dumb.
 
Theuser789 said:
No, read what I posted again:


What you are saying would break the "slower character can't speed blitz the faster" rule
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Are you directing it to me? Because I never said that.

I just said speed is equalized to the slower characters' speed, which doesn't break the rules and does not contradict your later statement
 
Don't Talk literally said he applied the revisions:
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