Kizaru Minor Change

[joshpiece]

Welcome to my Ted talk

I am proposing we give Kizaru Sol combat speed instead of scaling him to Marco.

PLEASE honor my wishes by not discussing any scaling in this thread, this would not scale to anyone but Kizaru.

1. Kiazru is stated to kick at light speed. This is not Hyperbole or Kizaru lying.

2. Kizaru is called The fastest Marine so this isn't unreasonable.

3." But Marco matched him" Kizaru simply blocks Marco's kick how this proves Kizaru = Marco in combat speed is beyond me. There is no on-panel proof of Marco being = to Kizaru.

4.The wiki currently accepts his Laser/Light movement to be Sol.

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Thank you for your time.

 

[StrawHatArslan]

This is something so obvious, it's not even funny. I 100% agree.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

There's also this if this sorta helps with SoL Kizaru.

 

[KingTempest]

Manga and databook statement, nice to know.

Since I was the one who asked for this, obviously I agree.

 

[joshpiece]

There's also this if this sorta helps with SoL Kizaru.

Thank you sm.

How do you stand on the Crt?

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Yeah someone's been requesting some OP stuff, one of which being on Kizaru which is neato.

Anyways, the databooks and stuff be saying he does just that. Not one, but twice from the request alone.

Seeing that no one has reacted to Kizaru's own light attacks (to my knowledge), I say this is pretty fair for just him.

 

[Purgy]

Can you give an example of how it would be written on his profile please? So change this;

Relativistic+ Combat and Reaction speeds (Can match Marco in combat blow for blow), Speed of Light movement via light-dispersion (Capable of moving his own body at the speed of light) and attack speed (Can fire light beams and attacks at this speed)

To how you think it should be

 

[KingTempest]

Speed of Light combat speed (Can kick at the speed of light), movement via light-dispersion (Capable of moving his own body at the speed of light) and attack speed (Can fire light beams and attacks at this speed).

Very simple.

 

[joshpiece]

Yeah someone's been requesting some OP stuff, one of which being on Kizaru which is neato.

Anyways, the databooks and stuff be saying he does just that. Not one, but twice from the request alone.

Seeing that no one has reacted to Kizaru's own light attacks (to my knowledge), I say this is pretty fair for just him.

Thanks for your input.

Can you give an example of how it would be written on his profile please? So change this;

To how you think it should be

I'm not the best at writing justifications but id suggest just flat out Sol something like this
Speed of Light movement via light-dispersion (Capable of moving his own body at the speed of light) and Combat speed (Can fire light beams and attacks at this speed)

 

[Purgy]

Speed of Light combat speed (Can kick at the speed of light), movement via light-dispersion (Capable of moving his own body at the speed of light) and attack speed (Can fire light beams and attacks at this speed).

Very simple.

The only problem I have is that Kizaru turned his foot/leg into light in order to kick Hawkins at that speed, so the only time he should have lightspeed combat speed is when the limb he is attacking with is transformed into light, he'd still be Relativistic+ when not transformed into light though.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

The only problem I have is that Kizaru turned his foot/leg into light in order to kick Hawkins at that speed, so the only time he should have lightspeed combat speed is when the limb he is attacking with is transformed into light, he'd still be Relativistic+ when not transformed into light though.

This is not true since when he was fighting more serious against Rayleigh he didn’t use light to attack

 

[Purgy]

This is not true since when he was fighting more serious against Rayleigh he didn’t use light to attack

Which is why Rayleigh should stay as Relativistic+ for the time being, this post doesn't disprove what I said.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Which is why Rayleigh should stay as Relativistic+ for the time being, this post doesn't disprove what I said.

He wasn’t using light on his limbs while fighting more serious against Rayleigh which means he doesn’t need to have light coming of off him... actually isn’t Kizaru’s insides light? With a surprise attack we could see kizaru’s insides and it was just light would this not mean he is light all the time? (Even if it doesn’t show the light trail)

 

[Purgy]

He wasn’t using light on his limbs while fighting more serious against Rayleigh which means he doesn’t need to have light coming of off him...

Kizaru has never been serious, he always has a super laid back playful demeanor even when fighting Rayleigh.

Regardless, Kizaru not turning his limbs into light against Rayleigh isn't really evidence of anything, characters do different things against different opponents.

actually isn’t Kizaru’s insides light? With a surprise attack we could see kizaru’s insides and it was light would this not mean he is light all the time?

No, if Kizaru was light all the time then there would be no distinction between his speed, and this is how logia's work anyway, take Crocodile evading Doflamingo's attack for example, they train to reflexively transform into their element to evade attacks.

Lastly, Kizaru turning his foot into light in order to kick Hawkins at lightspeed is factual, I mean, I literally posted the scan in my previous post...

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Kizaru has never been serious, he always has a super laid back playful demeanor even when fighting Rayleigh.

Regardless, Kizaru not turning his limbs into light against Rayleigh isn't really evidence of anything, characters do different things against different opponents.

No, if Kizaru was light all the time then there would be no distinction between his speed, and this is how logia's work anyway, take Crocodile evading Doflamingo's attack for example, they train to reflexively transform into their element to evade attacks.

Lastly, Kizaru turning his foot into light in order to kick Hawkins at lightspeed is factual, I mean, I literally posted the scan in my previous post...

But doflamingo has haki... and I already know that when he says light speed kick it shows a light trail but I don’t think we will be able to see the light trail if it’s not in slow motion because his light speed kick was moving in slow motion for us viewers... on the other bottom panel that shows the kick we can’t see the light coming from his leg... I think you can only see the light trail if it’s in slow motion

 

[Purgy]

But doflamingo has haki...

CoA isn't passive, you have to actively use it on your techniques.

Haki also wasn't really fleshed out pre-timeskip and there were a fair number of examples of characters not using it when they should have, take Mihawk as an example.

I already know that when he says light speed kick it shows a light trail but I don’t think we will be able to see the light if it’s not in slow motion because his light speed kick was moving in slow motion for us viewers... on the other bottom panel that shows the kick we can’t see the light... I think you can only see the light trail if it’s in slow motion

I'm not really sure what you're arguing here.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Kizaru has never been serious, he always has a super laid back playful demeanor even when fighting Rayleigh.

Regardless, Kizaru not turning his limbs into light against Rayleigh isn't really evidence of anything, characters do different things against different opponents.

No, if Kizaru was light all the time then there would be no distinction between his speed, and this is how logia's work anyway, take Crocodile evading Doflamingo's attack for example, they train to reflexively transform into their element to evade attacks.

Lastly, Kizaru turning his foot into light in order to kick Hawkins at lightspeed is factual, I mean, I literally posted the scan in my previous post...

But doflamingo has haki... and I already know that when he says light speed kick it shows a light trail but I don’t think we will be able to see the light if it’s not in slow motion because his light speed kick was moving in slow motion for us viewers

CoA isn't passive, you have to actively use it on your techniques.

Haki also wasn't really fleshed out pre-timeskip and there were a fair number of examples of characters not using it when they should have, take

CoA isn't passive, you have to actively use it on your techniques.

Haki also wasn't really fleshed out pre-timeskip and there were a fair number of examples of characters not using it when they should have, take Mihawk as an example.

1. Haki is invisible (top right) 2. His sword didn’t touch buggy 3. His sword slash didn’t touch buggy.. buggy just dodged 4. He could have had it off since he sees no threat

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I'm not really sure what you're arguing here.

I’m trying to say that the only way to see the light trail would be if it was moving in slow motion which won’t happen all the time...

 

[Damage3245]

I thought that his Speed of Light attack speed covered him kicking at lightspeed already?

 

[Purgy]

Haki is invisible (top right)

This has nothing to do with what I said.

His sword didn’t touch buggy

Untrue, he sliced Buggy in half and then cut him into small pieces, Buggy didn't divide himself to avoid being sliced, he is just unaffected from being sliced to pieces, this is kinda why he has immunity to slicing weapons on his profile, if he was actively splitting to avoid the attacks then it wouldn't be immunity.

Also, the idea that Buggy is fast enough to react to and perfectly split to avoid Mihawk's swings is laughable to say the least.

His sword slash didn’t touch buggy.. buggy just dodged

Again, not true.

He could have had it off since he sees no threat

You're missing the point, that example was just to show that just because you can use CoA, doesn't mean you have to use it all the time.

I’m trying to say that the only way to see the light trail would be if it was moving in slow motion which won’t happen all the time...

This is completely baseless.

 

[XDragnoir]

Yeah i agree this only applies to his attack speed when turning certain parts of his body into light, and since this seem to be on his profile already nothing changes.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Bumpo

 

[QuasiYuri]

Idk how it wasn't already a thing.

Unsure about the "only specific part become fast" bit. I mean, dudes like Ener passively are lightning.

 

[KingTempest]

Well, since this is technically already there, I guess I can close it