I would remove the obsolete vs threads myself, except until these revisions are instituted, we won't know for which which matches need to be removed.
Good enough then, I never did hear anything like this before. I will apply the revisions all over this week.
I would think all of them or most need to be removed, but somebody made some list of MU that he thought should stay in a way that I can't keep up with nor remember.
The Nova one. Even if me and Clover can’t agree to Zero’s KE, it really doesn’t matter since we agree to Nova’s and Zero scales to it
Same.
I think we're also using Nova's KE. Since IIRC Kirby scales to the sun and moon, who stopped Nova's KE.
Shit, no 5-A Kirby then, huh Clover?
Novas KE is 5-A. Nova can withstand an equal force to it, so his durability scales, and Kirby one-shot it
Yea your arguments were it’s broken core makes it weaker. I don’t see how this weakens the overall machine. It still has its durability no matter how you weaken it
Your previous statement is incredibly unlikely. I find it unreasonable for it to suddenly explode due to damage. Marx was directly thrown in the moment and when he got close enough for impact it exploded. I really don’t understand what this would be ignored for. Another thing, whenever Nova regenerates upon a second summoning, he still pertains the same damage from before. If it were from damage, Nova would do it again after its resummon. But he doesn’t.
"The part of Nova that was damaged was its nucleus, it makes perfect sense that any amount of extra damage after that would trigger it to blow up. Star Dream blows up due to being a machine that can, on its own, blow up within a given context of it getting enough damage internally, Nova is the same."
(Same comment) "Well, Kirby aimed to attack the nucleus, destroyed the "heart", many mini explosions happened on its own after that, followed by a bigger explosion that did not happen due to Kirby having attacked that last pillar too hard, and later Marx is sent at one side of Nova while white blasts before the explosion come from the very center of Nova, then it blows up. The same white blasts also came out of Nova before its brain pretty much blew up."
Nonsense. What makes it unlike the other explosions it had due to damage and Star Dream blowing up due to damage?
Yes.
It isn't ignored, Marx collided into Nova and so Nova blew up, but you're thinking this as if it had binary results. It's like people reasoning that the sun from Super Mario Bros. 3 has to be the size of the real life sun because they see many statements of it being called "the sun".
What it "would do it again"? This is some made up rule. If damage to its nucleus didn't stop it, it would have still do what it was going to do to Popstar and stopping it was pointless. It makes perfect sense to keep damage from the nucleus, of all things, but be able to heal the rest. Either it got better in its nucleus & "scarred" or it didn't get any better than how it was before blowing up when healing.
Bro what is this, an action movie? Machines don’t explode like that. Say like a car for example. It doesn’t explode naturally via damage, it requires an outside force, like fire reacting to gas or a bomb. The throw fits with this example. Especially if it’s caused by direct collision with Nova. The collision caused this reaction, and the machine’s durability doesn’t change. Star Dream’s example is more than likely cinematic time. The process to the explosion is slow and just eye candy for those who are exhausted after 5 bosses back to back. Nova explodes the same way but there is no delay at all. It just immediately does as soon as Marx gets flung into Nova.
Same with the car example. If you hit a damaged car that has its engine busted, it doesn’t blow up. Its durability has no reason to change either unless it has major exterior damage that weakened the material. It doesn’t matter what part Kirby hits because it still blew up the rest of the undamaged machine.
What does Kirby hitting the pillar have to do with it blowing up on its own? In fact, why would it blow up on its own? There’s literally no other reason it could’ve blown up. It’s defense system is destroyed so the nucleus just suicides? Doesn’t make sense. Given how there are many white blasts as you say, it’s probably a chain explosion caused by Kirby destroying the pillar. Literally what are you talking about, white blasts came after the Nova explosion, not before. The core explosion already had its final burst when that part of Nova’s exterior blasted off.
You are separating out the same point into 3 different points and treating them like they are individual. Star Dream’s was a cinematic delay, it directly blew up from being drilled in half. Also keep in mind The Access Arc and the Nova in Kirby’s galaxy are 2 different similarly built machines. The insides are different. This comparison doesn’t make sense. The sun has to deal with something completely different. Nova being blown up by Marx getting thrown is a very simple and usable argument. Nova blowing up by being weakened is a flawed argument already explained above.
Referring to the wrong thing. I mean it as it would blow up again if it were from damage. It still pertains all of the previous damage despite being regenerated. Yet it’s still capable of operating despite it. The whole reason it was halted was that its jets broke. I’m going to bring up the car example again. Let’s compare the core to a car engine. Once it blows up, it can’t move, as that’s the engine’s purpose. Nova is sentient though, so it can still operate via other means despite said damage. It just lost access to its jets. The core in Nova operates differently than the Access Ark’s, because when that one is destroyed, the Nova flat out dies. Galactic Nova doesn’t rely that much on its core, so it can’t be that the explosion was caused on its own if the damage from there caused the Nova’s destruction.
Agree on the calc, disagree with it being applied for tier and AP due to Nova’s KE calc. It should be supporting evidence for AP tho.
This are unbelievable double standards and you're not even aware of them, there is nothing that makes it happen in an action movie and doesn't make it happen in an action kid's game.
It doesn't matter as this machine is proven to explode with damage as shown when you destroy the core and many mini explosions happen on its own, followed by a bigger explosion. "A car for example" doesn't have this at all, nor any other machine.
You have no reason to conclude that because your inner logic about it is that it shouldn't happen and yet it did happen, you don't qualify it in any valid way.
Its machinery is made in a way that what happened makes sense, you can't dismiss it as not making sense or that the nucleus suicided, you are even aware that in fiction machines can blow up via stupid reasons like that and this is an alien machine with unknown properties.
Everything follows cause and consequence, I don't think this means what you think it means.
You are literally wrong, white blasts came before the core blew up and white blasts came before Nova itself blew up. The latter white blasts come from the center of Nova, whereas Marx was thrown in the center of that hole Nova had on top of its face.
It should have all been too intuitive the first time I pointed things out, you didn't keep up. Kirby can't cause many mini explosions and later a bigger explosion by destroying something, Kirby can destroy something that something blows up naturally by the sheer force of Kirby's last attack. This is Nova being made in a way that allows itself to blow up like that, which cannot be attributed to Kirby.
If Kirby could "one-shot" Nova as he did he could have destroyed both "the rest of the machine with 5-A durability" & the defensive system at once in 1 or 2 attacks since he can blow up all of Nova's body by your logic.
It wouldn't blow up again because it healed from the damage. It partially pertains the previous damage, if it were to keep "all" the previous damage it wouldn't have regenerated, its parts would still be separated and floating in space without gathering and repairing themselves.
You can have 2 characters with Mid-High regen and have 1 not die from damage in its core & blowing up and the other die from getting defeated in battle 3 times, being ripped in half and then blowing up.
Here I’ll say this a bit differently to try and clear things up, fix some of my realized incorrect arguments, and prevent this from escalating. You should also probably explain each of your points because it would clear up my own confusion and we can go on from there.
What do you think of this, @CloverDragon03 ? Again, math's not my area, is Marx's tiny body taking this the same as Nova's planet-sized body moving and being 5-A due to it?
Sent Marx flying with enough force to cause the explosion to begin with
Yea, this thread has already lasted too long
I went over how this is not the case.
Then Kirby doesn't scale to the 5-A since he doesn't scale to Nova's durability
You are confused. Kirby didn't blow up Nova himself by the sheer force of throwing Marx there, sure. But Kirby took a part of the explosion of its core while being inside Nova, whereas parts of Nova's surface (much far away from there) got destroyed by it, and Marx's body still took the explosion of Nova's body that destroyed most of it. The latter 2 feats are 5-A in durability as I had confirmed here, so I'm making the edits right now.
Nova still could hit the sun and the moon at full speed, suggesting it being capable of living its own KE, thus Kirby damaging it enough for the explosion to happen inside of it should at the very least scale him to it
Exactly. Kirby caused the initial explosion. Marx survived it, Nova has 5-A dura. So yea
