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Do you plan on making any calc related to this?
Maybe @CloverDragon03 would be willing to calc this.
He's done Kirby calcs before (like the 5-A one we currently use).
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Kirby revisions: Everything coming full circle
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Maybe @CloverDragon03 would be willing to calc this.
He's done Kirby calcs before (like the 5-A one we currently use).
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Ok, I really don't know how to calc anything, but the sun and the moon look each about half of Earth's diameter, and each seems to be crossing a distance equal to Popstar's radius in like half a second.
If I were to high ball this to a horrific degree by making each one have the mass of Earth (yes I know both are smaller than Earth), then each one would be impacting with 842 ronnatons of force (which is High 5-A and just over 1/5 of the value of High 5-A+).
This is for each of the 2, not the combined clash.
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This sandbox will be updated over time with everything from the RtDL remake. So I hope no one proposes anything already recognized in the future.
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Some bit is wrong in the sandbox; the dimensional walls appear in the Mag Ep, so if those 20 states are alt. dimensions each, the Master Crown destroyed 35/36 universes. I would even see as "Possibly" that if this very strange part of AD is affected by it, so should more normal areas of AD such as the dimensions flew through in the "Another Dimension" level, which is vaguely tens of dimensions (Counting them shouldn't be taken too seriously).
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(Also, the fact that Mag Ep has new bosses means the game will have a new 3º version of the Arena (The Truer True Arena? The True Arena Deluxe?), my bets on the new final boss are a yellow Magolor Soul. Yellow like a crown, they already used black, they have either red or white, which they likely won't use as those colors are more present for Morpho Knight and Void.)
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Ok, a new but slightly less awful calc:
The sun and the moon each cross distance equal to roughly 1.125x Popstar's mass to collide into each other, and do so at speeds of about (from what I can tell), as little as 1/3 of a second.
Each of them is about half Earth's diameter, so each of them should have 1/8 of Earth's mass (this is invalid since the sun is, well, the sun but smaller and the moon has a big gaping hole so the latter should be lighter than this but let's go with it since I got nothing better to use), or 7.465e+23 kg.
7.465e+23 kg* 0.5 * (115,948,167.721518 m/s)^2 = 5.018e39 Joules, or 1.199 Quettatons (High 5-A) for each of them.
The sun and the moon each cross distance equal to roughly 1.125x Popstar's mass to collide into each other, and do so at speeds of about (from what I can tell), as little as 1/3 of a second.
Each of them is about half Earth's diameter, so each of them should have 1/8 of Earth's mass (this is invalid since the sun is, well, the sun but smaller and the moon has a big gaping hole so the latter should be lighter than this but let's go with it since I got nothing better to use), or 7.465e+23 kg.
7.465e+23 kg* 0.5 * (115,948,167.721518 m/s)^2 = 5.018e39 Joules, or 1.199 Quettatons (High 5-A) for each of them.
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What are you saying?
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The violet waves are canonically called dimensional walls, as I had writen in one of my blogs.
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Ok, a new, new but slightly less awful calc:
The sun and the moon each cross distance equal to roughly 17x Popstar's mass to collide into each other, and do so in about 0.3 seconds (using a frame calculating site)
The moon is about 9/25ths the diameter of Popstar, but has a hole with a radius 5/9th that of the moon's, so I'll remove about 41% of its spherical volume from the equation.
The moon's density is 3.34 g/cm^3.
After finding the moon's mass to be 967 sextillion kg, let's plug it in to the KE formula.
9.67e+23 kg* 0.5 * (194,565,000 m/s)^2 = 1.83e49 Joules, or 4.377 Quettatons (High 5-A+) for each of them.
I also found the result for the sun, but since the sun's ball is not only smaller in diameter but only 40% as dense per cm^3 as the moon is, it'd be much smaller, so the sun would just scale to matching the moon's clash.
Nova should scale to 2x the moon's feat since he matched both the moon and the sun simultaneously, making him (and Kirby) 8.754 Quettatons (Low 4-C).
The sun and the moon each cross distance equal to roughly 17x Popstar's mass to collide into each other, and do so in about 0.3 seconds (using a frame calculating site)
The moon is about 9/25ths the diameter of Popstar, but has a hole with a radius 5/9th that of the moon's, so I'll remove about 41% of its spherical volume from the equation.
The moon's density is 3.34 g/cm^3.
After finding the moon's mass to be 967 sextillion kg, let's plug it in to the KE formula.
9.67e+23 kg* 0.5 * (194,565,000 m/s)^2 = 1.83e49 Joules, or 4.377 Quettatons (High 5-A+) for each of them.
I also found the result for the sun, but since the sun's ball is not only smaller in diameter but only 40% as dense per cm^3 as the moon is, it'd be much smaller, so the sun would just scale to matching the moon's clash.
Nova should scale to 2x the moon's feat since he matched both the moon and the sun simultaneously, making him (and Kirby) 8.754 Quettatons (Low 4-C).
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So just to be clear, does this affect the 2-C stuff in any way?
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The waves appear in random Epilogue dimensions, so it’s likely
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I'm down for more Low 4-C characters. Modern base Sonic characters could use more matchups in thier own weight class.
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So does anyone else scale to Low 4-C?
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Probably whoever Kirby scales to
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So uh question, why isn’t every major enemy in RTDL pre-magolor 2nd phase (this includes 1st phase Magolor) likely 2-C?
The stats between 1st and 2nd phase aren’t that major of a gap for a whole likely 2-C difference on second phase. Besides, 1st Phase Magolor fights on par with Kirby literally right before 2nd phase
Same should also apply to mostly every boss in the game, including Sphere Doomers. They all just downscale from that, and each boss is an obstacle Kirby has to cross that doesn’t get one-shot. Sphere Doomers are pretty distinct from Mid-Bosses, despite behaving like them, considering they’re a reoccurring enemy across the game
So we should smack a likely 2-C or flat-out 2-C rating given the sandbox posted above by Efi
The stats between 1st and 2nd phase aren’t that major of a gap for a whole likely 2-C difference on second phase. Besides, 1st Phase Magolor fights on par with Kirby literally right before 2nd phase
Same should also apply to mostly every boss in the game, including Sphere Doomers. They all just downscale from that, and each boss is an obstacle Kirby has to cross that doesn’t get one-shot. Sphere Doomers are pretty distinct from Mid-Bosses, despite behaving like them, considering they’re a reoccurring enemy across the game
So we should smack a likely 2-C or flat-out 2-C rating given the sandbox posted above by Efi
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I think if Efi's sandbox goes through, they all should be 2-C yeah
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Looking through his sandbox, he still has Master Crown Magolor at 4-A, rather than 2-C, which he doesn’t get until his second phase
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I find that odd because there's literally zero time between the Landia fight, the Lor fight, and both phases of the Magolor fight for Kirby and co. to get stronger
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Besides, most bosses just downscale logically since Kirby couldn’t have gotten multiversal boosts in how ever long it took for Kirby to set off for the Lors parts to fighting Magolor
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Wait, so Kirby's just straight-up 2-C now? How?
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Sphere Doomer translations, which states that the entirety of the dimensions is consumed aside from the part where the Energy Sphere lies.
It was pretty obvious to me that the feat was flat out 2-C, but the wiki apparently didn’t have enough confirmation on it.
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Hasn’t the sun been moving at FTL speeds in its clash with the moon? That’s an automatic baseline 4-C. Even if it isn’t the same size as the sun, there’s always the use of the smallest star.
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Pretty sure that's not allowed cuz FTL speed rules, also the sun is only a fraction of the diameter of Popstar, which we lowballed to get a diameter of 34,335 kilometers for.
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Hello again, the Sandbox has enough stuff in it, if no one has any issue with it I will be adding all the changes it proposes. The Sandbox is not finished yet and changes regarding blogs won't be added yet, I both need to make space (My computer is slowed down when going over it) and there is information I need translated first to work with.
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Could you briefly sum up all the changes you'll be adding?
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As we discussed earlier in the blog (scroll up, discussion isn’t that far away), a majority of the RTDL bosses should all be 2-C via downscaling from Possessed Magolor
There’s barely any time between the Landia fight and the Lor and Magolor fights. Kirby has no reason to suddenly get multiversal boosts in barely any time and all of the bosses have fought on par with Kirby.
All of the other bosses are ordeals Kirby and co have to fight, even Whispy Woods. Sphere Doomers should also be there given they are notable individuals unlike other mid-bosses and they aren’t fought alongside them in the Arenas.
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Mainly adding new powers and changing texts saying what moves do.
That's wrong, there is plenty of reasons for them to be stronger.
First of all the logic is wrong, the short amount of time & how big the jump in power is something that can happen, it's very common in fiction to get power boosts from 1 moment to another, there is an in-universe mechanic allowing this to happen as proven in Fighters 2, and while notable that they grow all that powerful, it makes more sense for the protagonists to achieve that than for everyone to be that strong. We also don't know how strong they were in-universe before it, just how strong they were proven to be via feats & facts, which is not the same.
You really have nothing to back up how even Whispy Woods and Sphere Doomers they are "notable individuals", they have a boss fight & their own theme, yes, but there is evidence putting Whispy Woods below Kirby's level regardless of always having that, and there is even more evidence doing the same against sub-bosses like the Sphere Doomers, if none have their own theme song like them. It's not a good argument.
That said, the first bit of the argument is not w/o reason, but it's too insignificant next to any of the following:
- Magolor wanted the crown for its power, being able to conquer Kirby's universe with it, being a threat to every world, and one-shotting Landia in Phase 1. Making everyone in general weaker than Magolor, let alone individually, and especially the bosses shown in the game. Future games have people as strong or stronger, sure, that's on them & something "new" to add in Kirby, and also within a future point in time.
- Kirby & co.'s attacks do no damage to Magolor (Phase 1)/Magolor EX's shield, but Kirby's Super Abilities are on that level, so "Kirby & co.'s regular stats < That shield's durability = Kirby's Super Abilities". Then Magolor transforms, Phase 2 or Magolor Soul can use Super Abilities against Kirby & co., which they can survive, and this attacks are no stronger than any other attack Magolor has, so now, "Magolor (Phase 2)/Magolor Soul = His Super Abilities = Kirby & co." It is absurd, but they reached a level they did not have moments before.
- Magolor Soul's pause menu can be translated in a way that it states that this was a battle in which everyone went past their limits, which I'm sure means everyone grew in power from one phase to the next, but unfortunately Sacred Faerie, the translator I use, interpreted it as only the crown itself going past its limits due to Jap. having no pronouns. I commented my view on it but he has been busy for a time.
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What about Post-Magolor Kirby being flat-out 2-C?
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Well what?
Btw, I still haven't been able to find a way to calc the sun and moon colliding.
I asked some people, but they said the fact that the moon is crescent-shaped is a big issue.
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