Well, the thing is that you could make this argument, but you'd also need proof to show that dimensions don't work in a reality to fiction matter or even that it's not referring to a character being of a higher level of existence due to contradictory feats. That's why I'm staying neutral, rather than blatantly disagreeing.
"Transcending" isn't what this thread is about. I wish people would stop coming here misinformed about what the blog is about and actually read it the whole way through. I'll still count your disagreement, but so far, Ultima is the only one who actually went through the effort of arguing against the main point of my argument. The kanjis used in the OG Kirby descriptions and Tweets (超える) refer to an actual superiority. In this case, over the concepts of space, time and dimensions as a whole. It doesn't leave room for interpretation like the words "transcend" or "beyond" do. With this in mind, your best shot at debunking the upgrade is to say that I'm wrong about my usage of kanjis. By the tiering system, there's no other way this upgrade couldn't be legitimate. Ultima attempted this, but I'll debunk his refutes in my next big post. I'm also going to include a lot of my unused evidence that didn't make it into the blog so stay tuned for that.
If anything, the fact that time works weirdly in it and that it's seemingly called the "time realm" in an official Tweet supports Low 1-C more than anything else. (The space we see in Galacta-Knight's attack is extremely heavily implied to be Another Dimension and there's no other realm his attack name could realistically be referring to) Considering how blatant the statements are and the supplementary evidence, it takes less mental gymnastics to say that it's a bulk space than to say that "time works weirdly in an unexplored unspecific way, especially considering the users of Another Dimension's road get to chose when and where they want to go rather than being warped to a random coordinate as if it's just some... wacky time travel warp tube?
"Likewise, it's not exactly uncommon for time travel (Or any action / process that affects something through different points in time) to be described as "transcending time and space." However, if it is specified that they "transcend space and time" in the sense that they exist on some higher level of reality that is outright superior to a spacetime continuum in nature, then they should be put at Low 1-C, assuming the continuum in question is one comprised of four dimensions."
If I can prove that the superiority over dimensions stated in this Tweet refers to mathematical dimensions rather than universes, will you agree with Low 1-C? If not, what more could possibly be needed?
Tbf, I do agree with this. I think it's better to first read through the actual arguments and point out flaws in them rather than just denying stuff with misinformation. That said, I'm not overly knowledgeable when it comes to things like 1C or even 1B, hence I'll say neutral, something I've already said. But I do agree with this stuff here, but I will need to learn a bit more about this stuff before agreeing to this upgrade.
So are Persona and SMT not Low 1-C then?
Persona and SMT maybe are getting 1-A so.. yeah?
i mean the cu/expanse wouldn't be Low 1-C
what about the cu?
Ok then. I'm just gonna have to ask you to please stick around for what's next. That pretty much applies to everyone on this thread (so they can see both sides of the argument before casting their final vote), but those in disagreement have a particularly weak foundation, which I'll explain in further detail once Ultima (and hopefully the other disagreeing members) reply to my points and questions.
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That's not true and it doesn't even make sense anyway. Ultima said as much earlier:
So this whole point can be dropped.
As long as the superiority is qualitative and directly involves the pre-established dimensions of the verse, this isn't necessary. The FAQ says as much, and it's once again consistent with Ultima's current thoughts as seen here:
(Look at the context behind this response)
Yes. Twitter statements are fair to use. They're already used on Galacta-Knight's profile, the current cosmology page and many other pages. Even non VS related sites.
The kanjis that were originally used in descriptions relating to AD's relationship with space, time and dimensions aren't as vague as the word "beyond". They specifically mean being superior or better than something. You can translate them to "beyond" if you want, but the original meaning remains the same. I went over this in the blog and will continue to do so in further detail after Ultima replies to these questions:
(The last one wasn't meant for him, but Foxthefox kind of left, so...)
The quotes used in my blog are pulled straight from a Google doc which translates official statements about AD. You can read it here. I only provided the links to some Japanese scans I could find. They're surprisingly hard to get your hands on. All you need to know is that these statements are official and canon. Any Kirby expert in or out the Wiki can agree.
Nothing contradicts it. I even went over the arguments that could be argued to be contradictions and debunked them. If anything, the lore supports it more than anything else. I also explain that in the blog and somewhat in the starting post of this thread.
Hmm alrighty, but do keep in mind that transcending time and space statements are evaluated more closely.
The words "transcending", "beyond" or anything of the likes have next to nothing to do with this thread. The focus needs to be shifted back to 超える.
As soon as Ultima comes back, we'll discuss the specifics around these kanjis. In the meantime, are you staying neutral?
Basically, my point is the kanji in question that involved the word "transcend" is using the english meanings and we are using a online dictionary that has connections to the English meaning of the word "transcend".
Which it is since we are translating from Japanese to English and before you say otherwise, we are literally using the word "transcend" as it clearly show the word being translated from Japanese to English in your very own blog.
"Kumazaki: The True Arena is like another “what if” scenario, so you can’t really consider everything to be connected. Furthermore, the extra-dimensional road that opens up when Galacta Knight appears transcends space-time, so it’s difficult to give it a concrete place in the timeline. But if you consider the stages in which Galacta Knight appeared in the past three games, I think that will give you some food for thought."
Extra dimensional doesn’t necessarily require it to being 5D as the very definition of extra dimensional does mean https://www.definitions.net/definition/extradimensional
Yeah but is also a evidence in the rigth context
You sent me the definition of "extra-dimensional" (adjective). What I said was was "extra dimension" (noun).
