1-B Archie Sonic? A Total No-Brane-er! (Cosmology and AP Upgrade)

[Theuser789]

Ian Flynn even said that Boom (The Show) and Archie are not connected

Ian Flynn has absolutely no authority on this matters as the cancelling of the Bumblekast shows.

 

[Starsprite53]

Ian Flynn has absolutely no authority on this matters as the cancelling of the Bumblekast shows.

He said this confidently back in 2022, before the recent mess, and I'm sure the word of the writer of the comics and episodes of the show are more important than some powerscalers who fail to provide an actual reason

 

[Omegabronic]

Enough with the derailing please

 

[Starsprite53]

Ok

 

[Theuser789]

He said this confidently back in 2022, before the recent mess, and I'm sure the word of the writer of the comics and episodes of the show are more important than some powerscalers who fail to provide an actual reason

Drop the passive agressive tone. Ian only wrote for one episode of the show. You whine about powerscalers while acting just as bad as them.

 

[Causalist]

I thought we didn’t count string theory cause of the dimensions being condensed or something?

Brane cosmology circomvents that issue.

By the way, the people who take issue with me claiming that string theory is canon in Sonic Boom don't seem to have accounted for the fact that the success of Eggman's black hole generator stems from his research on string theory. So if you're gonna disagree, don't use the "We don't have sufficient evidence that Eggman's statement confirm string theory for the verse", because I already adressed it. If the verse didn't canonically operate on string theory, Eggman's research would have either been useless or his machine would have failed, but we literally see him bring up string theory as he's working on the machine and when explaining why it works after its success.

Ok so...

1. Random mentions of it aren't enough for the verse's cosmology actually having it, as there must be more solid proof of the verse using so. Gravity Falls and TTGL are that high right because of the fact that they make multiple hints to said theory actually being a thing in their cosmologies as you can see in their cosmology explanations.
2. The evidence you use for the verse following branes is incomplete.

NGL that Wikipedia video is incomplete.

What you see as parallel pieces of paper are the lower-dimensional membranes that are within the higher-dimensional realm and connected through "bulks", where said membranes are infinitely thin in said realm.

I'd really suggest you to read this for better understanding on the matter, as just basing yourself on a single Wikipedia video without bothering to check yourself how the theory works is foolish and isn't a good impression at all.

For people who didn't read what I linked, in short how a 5D brane is compared to 4D membranes is this:

As you can see, in both cases the 4D branes (which you can think of as your average Universal+ space-time continuum) are infinitely thin pieces of paper within the 5D realm, which you can think here as Low Complex Multiversal due to it having actual superiority over said infinitely small membranes.

In fact, Gravity Falls and Gurren Lagann have both some visual evidence of being somehow similar to this model at least:

You see the difference? These examples are textbook showings of the Bulk Cosmology, yours instead is this:

Branes do not work like that, they're not perpendicular universes that pass through other ones perpendicularly, they're higher-dimensional universes that envelop the lower-dimensional ones within themselves as infinitely thin membranes.

Branes also aren't automatically 11D. Gurren Lagann is because the evidence makes it extra clear that the Bulk is 11-Dimensional, hence why it's High 1-C. Gravity Falls also follows it, but is merely Low 1-C, possibly 1-B for now because of these extra dimensions not having really solid proofs of being superior to the lower ones, as by default they're just strings, aka 1-D lines that take higher-dimensional angles up to 11-D (or more depending on the model used).

TLDR: OP saw 2 random things online and instantly jumped to making an upgrade without bothering to look deep in why other verses qualify for it.

Thank you for answering my question. As said before, I disagree with point 1, but the rest clears the air. I could've done without the insult though. Please try to be more civil in the future.

I disagree with brane theory but I agree with the string theory addition since boom sharing a cosmology with archie has been accepted.

I don't think string theory by itself counts for anything tiering wise, if my research on the forum is anything to go by, but yeah.

These things are like strongly related, you can't have one without the other.

That's not what I've heard from staff on the topic, but if that's true, then wouldn't that mean I only need to prove string theory is canon in order for my upgrade to be valid?

 

[Da3ggman]

Imma keep it real with you chief, this ain’t it.

Disagree FRA

 

[Theuser789]

Changing to disagree based on Strym's reasoning as well. Sorry, Pepto. It was a good try, tho.

 

[StrymULTRA]

As said before, I disagree with point 1

It does work like that unfortunately.

You don't get 1-A off merely mentioning Platonism, you don't get High 1-C from randomly mentioning Strings, and you don't get Low 1-A off just mentioning Mathematical Structures.

The verse has to elaborate on these theories rather than just mentioning them without giving further context, something that TTGL and GF both did.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

you don't get High 1-C from randomly mentioning Strings

wont get High 1-C anyways since they're very small planck length dimensions

 

[LifeRiderthe1]

The Archie continuity of Sonic The Hedgehog is already accepted to share the same cosmology as Sonic Boom, with the two even having cross-over scaling accepted as a possibility, so this cosmology upgrade will be pulling evidence from both.

String Theory

First mentioned here as what seems to be a throwaway line for the sake of a gag…


String theory is once again mentioned in the following episode

(Sadly the best link I could provide due to the episode being blocked in my country on Youtube)

In this one, Eggman is working on a miniature black hole generator, using his research from the episode prior. His machine ends up being a success, and he re-iterates string theory when explaining his methodology. This means that string theory is canon within the Archie/Boom continuity.

Brane Cosmology
This is what zones in Archie are shown to look like:
https://imgur.com/gallery/b-7DgPInx

By comparison, this is a brane cosmology

Much like how a cosmological structure which contains what appears to be a starry sky can be assumed to be 4-A and one which contains a tesseract can be assumed to be spatially 4D, this cosmology in which universes are visually portrayed as identical to brane can be assumed to operate under brane cosmology.

Well first String theory just says Strings are 1D so I don't see its relevance here. Besides String theory would also directly contradict Brane theory in of itself mainly due to Supergravity. I don't see sonic losing to like a 4D electron anyways.

That Brane theory Wikipedia page is heavily wrong. Um for one why would the Occams razor be to assume those planes are 4D and the bulk around them is 5D for the imagur? Cause if we going by the Wikipedia page um for sake I will use a analogy you have those planes be 4D right 4D minkowski spacetime planes then the bulk is 5D so you don't get 1-B unless I am missing something. And if you don't believe me Heres is a "quick" explanation of a actual science paper behind 5D brane theory. and .

(Of course this is not the actual work i couldn't be bothered to refined them but its close enough to what the standards are it should be fine for this CRT)

I feel you just run into a Association fallacy with this. So i have to disagree unless theres more proof that the zones in archie actually are running off the theory.

 

[Noyotix]

I disagree with this Sonic upgrade for the explanations that were given

 

[Causalist]

That's not what I've heard from staff on the topic, but if that's true, then wouldn't that mean I only need to prove string theory is canon in order for my upgrade to be valid?

As soon as Strym answers this question, I'll close the thread.

 

[StrymULTRA]

As soon as Strym answers this question, I'll close the thread.

No scans = No answer.

 

[Monsters_fight]

I disagree

 

[Hypercyber37]

Agreed

 

[Sebas-S.P-san]

Massively disagree FRA

For the reasons explained above Previously.