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King of Chaos 4-A Upgrade

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4-A obviously makes sense to me, but I'm confused on the timeframe
 
I know we're assuming a relatively small timeframe, but we still need an actual, calculable timeframe. What exactly is the timeframe we're using (in hours, days, weeks, anything that would be useful in calculating finite creation feats)

Since it seems like the OP is just asserting a vague timeframe to assume a concrete conclusion, which is something I don't agree with, and neither does the wiki itself. Which is why you need concrete timeframes for calculating things, not vague ones.
 
Deceived3596 said:
I know we're assuming a relatively small timeframe, but we still need an actual, calculable timeframe. What exactly is the timeframe we're using (in hours, days, weeks, anything that would be useful in calculating finite creation feats)

Since it seems like the OP is just asserting a vague timeframe to assume a concrete conclusion, which is something I don't agree with, and neither does the wiki itself. Which is why you need concrete timeframes for calculating things, not vague ones.
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As I explained in the OP, Ironside's wife got pregnant before the Demon King died, as I recall, some time after the Demon King died, Arthur received the power of Chaos. Even if you count this as the next day, the time interval will not exceed "9 months".
 
Which is why I mentioned to the OP earlier in the thread the best and safest bet would be 16 years.

Camelot was destroyed in the 7DS timeline during the Holy War. Blah blah Arthur gets Chaos Powers.

Then fast forward 16 years later Neo-Camelot is introduced to the story. There’s many implications that it was created earlier but we don’t have a definitive number hence why 16 years should be the safest option imo
 
Majinere566 said:
Which is why I mentioned to the OP earlier in the thread the best and safest bet would be 16 years.

Camelot was destroyed in the 7DS timeline during the Holy War. Blah blah Arthur gets Chaos Powers.

Then fast forward 16 years later Neo-Camelot is introduced to the story. There’s many implications that it was created earlier but we don’t have a definitive number hence why 16 years should be the safest option imo
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It doesn't matter that it was introduced 16 years later. If we can see even the newborn Percival in Camelot, it is ridiculous to use the age at which Percival died.
 
Majinere566 said:
Which is why I mentioned to the OP earlier in the thread the best and safest bet would be 16 years.

Camelot was destroyed in the 7DS timeline during the Holy War. Blah blah Arthur gets Chaos Powers.

Then fast forward 16 years later Neo-Camelot is introduced to the story. There’s many implications that it was created earlier but we don’t have a definitive number hence why 16 years should be the safest option imo
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She was created 16 years before she was introduced, we literally have Percival's grandfather talking about Camelot to Meliodas with Percival still on his lap
 
Deceived3596 said:
So, for the calculation of Arthur creating this dimension, are you assuming 9 month or are you assuming a different timeframe?

I'm asking since it's incredibly pertinent in calculating the feat.
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Actually, I'm taking a lower time frame, because it looks like Camelot existed before Diodra was born.
 
Deceived3596 said:
I know we're assuming a relatively small timeframe, but we still need an actual, calculable timeframe. What exactly is the timeframe we're using (in hours, days, weeks, anything that would be useful in calculating finite creation feats)

Since it seems like the OP is just asserting a vague timeframe to assume a concrete conclusion, which is something I don't agree with, and neither does the wiki itself. Which is why you need concrete timeframes for calculating things, not vague ones.
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They appear to be in Camelot in their newborn form, why should we take a 16 year time period? We know he created the Camelot in a short time frame and the wiki also agrees that this is sufficient.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Uzy, listen to me, what time frame are you assuming. Give us an answer. Are you claiming the time frame is at most 9 months? Like cmon man its a simple question, it's not that hard.
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I said it was much shorter than 9 months. I think it would be most logical to take it in the range of 7-8 months. In my opinion, a time interval of 5 seconds can also be taken as a result of Chaos creating it with his intention more than once. But as I said, 7-8 months would be the most logical.
 
MeliodasDeUzyy said:
I said it was much shorter than 9 months. I think it would be most logical to take it in the range of 7-8 months. In my opinion, a time interval of 5 seconds can also be taken as a result of Chaos creating it with his intention more than once. But as I said, 7-8 months would be the most logical.
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Yeah no, that's arbitrary. So I'll tell you what timeframe you can use, if we know it is unquantifiably shorter than 9 months, then all you can claim is that the timeframe is at most 9 months. Do you understand?
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Yeah no, that's arbitrary. So I'll tell you what timeframe you can use, if we know it is unquantifiably shorter than 9 months, then all you can claim is that the timeframe is at most 9 months. Do you understand?
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Okay, then 9 months.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Cool, now creating a 4-A dimension in 9 months yields the following: 2.008x10^57 joules / 2.365x10^7 seconds = 8.49x10^49 J/s. This is 4-B.

Now are you trying to scale this to his normal statistics. In simpler words, do you think Arthur/Chaos is punching/swinging a sword with 4-B energy?
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Why not?
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Cool, now creating a 4-A dimension in 9 months yields the following: 2.008x10^57 joules / 2.365x10^7 seconds = 8.49x10^49 J/s. This is 4-B.

Now are you trying to scale this to his normal statistics. In simpler words, do you think Arthur/Chaos is punching/swinging a sword with 4-B energy?
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Creating a dimension with a starry sky is 1.688×10^63J

1,688×10^63/2,365x10^7=7,1374207188×10^55

Assuming a time of nine months, we obtain 7.1374207188×10^55J
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Do you understand that the burden of proof is on you to provide evidence for why this should scale to normal statistics like how hard he can punch? Aka you need to prove this feat scales to his punches. So you can work from there and craft an argument for why this feat scales to usual statistics.
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At the very least, Chaos or Full Power Arthur needs to scale. If the energy it creates per second, even over a short period of time, is 4-B according to "what you say", I can accept 4-B. But I'll see if it's true.
 
MeliodasDeUzyy said:
At the very least, Chaos or Full Power Arthur needs to scale. If the energy it creates per second, even over a short period of time, is 4-B according to "what you say", I can accept 4-B. But I'll see if it's true.
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And creation already scales to attack power. Especially if the energy it creates per second is 4-B.
 
MeliodasDeUzyy said:
At the very least, Chaos or Full Power Arthur needs to scale. If the energy it creates per second, even over a short period of time, is 4-B according to "what you say", I can accept 4-B. But I'll see if it's true.
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They can scale with creation, but no Arthur and Chaos's punches don't "need to scale". If you cannot prove that their normal statistics scale there, then they don't scale there.

Pekiodas said:
Creating a dimension with a starry sky is 1.688×10^63J

1,688×10^63/2,365x10^7=7,1374207188×10^55

Assuming a time of nine months, we obtain 7.1374207188×10^55J
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Yeah you're right, this is 4-B still.

MeliodasDeUzyy said:
And creation already scales to attack power. Especially if the energy it creates per second is 4-B.
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No creation feats do not automatically scale to attack power.
 
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Pekiodas said:
Creating a dimension with a starry sky is 1.688×10^63J

1,688×10^63/2,365x10^7=7,1374207188×10^55

Assuming a time of nine months, we obtain 7.1374207188×10^55J
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Why did you use 1.688×10^63 Joule? What is the source for it?
 
"Finally, the creation of the object(s) in question must take place within a very short period of time in order for the entire result to apply to the Attack Force."
Arc7Kuroi said:
They can scale with creation, but no Arthur and Chaos's punches don't "need to scale". If you cannot prove that their normal statistics scale there, then they don't scale there.


Yeah you're right, this is 4-A still.


No creation feats do not automatically scale to attack power.
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Nierre is correct, short, combat applicable timeframes are generally on the time scale of a handful of seconds.
 
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