Kenganverse overhaul: Fixing the mess

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

Speaking of Scaling, can the suggestions I put in these two comments be discussed/added to the OP?

If the Calc's been accepted, we can go ahead and discuss who it would actually scale to.

Inaba was stated to be 2x-3x weaker then Ohma, in terms of raw power. I'm going to assume 2x would be a good option to lowball here.

So Ohma= At least 2x the calc value.

Ohma didn't grow in (Physical) strength, from BOS to Round 1, so all of his previous opponents should scale.

Kaburagi Koji (Medicine Man) Somewhat downscales. While clearly weaker than Ohma, he was capable of damaging him.

Lihito was capable of matching Ohma in power, even implying he was physically stronger than him, in raw strength

Lihito and Sawada are shown to be comparable with eachother.

Unconditioned Hatsumi was able to fight against an injured Advance Ohma. (Peak Hatsumi would still be high tier, as usual)

Chiba was able to draw blood from Hatsumi with a glancing blow.

Bando was stated to be capable of one-shotting Hatsumi with a single Arm Whip, and could take multiple hits from him. It's debatable of Bando scales higher, as he did force Hatsumi into Peak Condition after his fight.

Hanafusa, while significantly weaker than Bando, was still capable of harming him with his bone blades and his other body modifications.

These are characters that could reasonably scale, if we don't scale them to anything higher. Though there are likely others I've missed.

And

Alright, so I'm going to go ahead and add what characters scale to Karo's 9-A+ value.

Karo: His Whale Burial technique yields this much energy.

Saw Paing: Can endure a direct Whale Burial to the chest and continue fighting.

Rei: While physically weaker than Karo, he was still able to somewhat damage Saw Paing.

Nezu (?): His kick was described as "heavy" by Rei, implying he thought it was powerful. Though he was one-shotted, it is important to note that His lapse of composure made him unable to use his full strength.

Adam: Directly stated to have comparable trunk muscles (and thus comparable striking strength) to Karo.

R1 Cosmo: While significantly weaker, He was acknowledged by Adam to be strong, and could visibly stagger him with his blows.

Other notes on scaling.

8-A

I would suggest that the "Low 7-C" rating for HIGH tiers should be removed. As stated previously, I disagree with the notion that other fighters would scale to Kiozan's Raging Vigor.

Nikado Ren (Not mentioned in the OP) should scale to 8-A: He was confident in his ability to kill Meguro, with Julius even assuming he was enough to restrain him.

OTHER

Kaneda and Himuro don't really have any solid scaling to the 8-A or 9-A calculations in Asura, at least to my knowledge. Because of this, it might simply be prudent to just rate them as 9-B, via Himuro being capable of tanking out several Guardians while injured.

 

[azontr]

I'd already requested the 9-A scaling be reflected in the OP, so dunno when that's gonna happen either.

Also my Bando shit, if everyone agrees to it, should also preferably be added to the OP.

Figured I'd bring this up here.

Bando should be scaled to Hatsumi at Peak Conditioning somewhat. In terms of durability.

He was able to survive one of Hatsumi's moves when he was at Peak Condition through his inhuman bone flexibility dulling the impact. So his durability would, while not solidly, somewhat scale to Hatsumi at Peak Condition. Should be something like a "9-A, likely 8-A with bone shit" or whatever. 9-A because he scales above Inaba's calc, since he fought an unconditioned Hatsumi who did fight against Advance Ohma who was injured after his fight with Sekibayashi.

The 9-A scaling from the calc I made should also preferably be reflected in the OP.

 

[LordGinSama]

I'll update the OP in a few hours since I'm heading to work soon.

 

[azontr]

Take your time.

 

[azontr]

Though, just for discussion/putting it out there, does everyone agree with scaling Bando's durability via his flexibility to 8-A, or just giving him a high resistance to blunt force attacks due to his flexibility that allows him to survive attacks on that level?

 

[InfiniteDay]

Scaling looks fine.

 

[CloverDragon03]

I recently learned that the earthquake formula is only applicable when the radius is >= 100 meters, so in that case, the 8-A Ohma feat wouldn't actually be valid anymore.

Also, @NikHelton @LordGinSama y'all gotta stop grilling each other over this, the whole "X ruined the verse" "No, Y ruined the verse" thing ain't gonna help (and that also means no one side should start gloating now that the 8-A Ohma feat isn't usable)

On the flipside, Wakatsuki's mountain shaking feat does have a radius of over 100 meters, so it could be viable for the earthquake method. In my opinion, it'd be preferred since he's shaking a whole mountain, which is a lot more robust than a building

 

[azontr]

Ugggggggghhhhhhh

The 8-A feat being invalid is fine ig but we'd need a new value since literally all the top/god-tier scaling hinges on our current 8-A value.

 

[NikHelton]

I recently learned that the earthquake formula is only applicable when the radius is >= 100 meters, so in that case, the 8-A Ohma feat wouldn't actually be valid anymore.

Also, @NikHelton @LordGinSama y'all gotta stop grilling each other over this, the whole "X ruined the verse" "No, Y ruined the verse" thing ain't gonna help (and that also means no one side should start gloating now that the 8-A Ohma feat isn't usable)

On the flipside, Wakatsuki's mountain shaking feat does have a radius of over 100 meters, so it could be viable for the earthquake method. In my opinion, it'd be preferred since he's shaking a whole mountain, which is a lot more robust than a building

But it also wasn't called an earthquake and we don't have anything to back it up, except an image of vibration for exactly 1 frame.
That is why it was calculated as a vibration, since there are few prerequisites for justifying an earthquake.

 

[NikHelton]

Ugggggggghhhhhhh

The 8-A feat being invalid is fine ig but we'd need a new value since literally all the top/god-tier scaling hinges on our current 8-A value.

The current calculation of the Wakatsuki feat has a baseline of 8-A. He also has a multiplier via kicks that we can use.

 

[CloverDragon03]

"One frame" isn't exactly right, the panel can last however long it needs to.

 

[LordGinSama]

It's calculated as an earthquake, not a vibration. The Man with the Midas Touch literally debunked your entire counter argument against Liu. Anyway, this thread is meant for scaling, not stats. The character scaling will stay the same regardless of stats.

 

[azontr]

Regardless of that, the earthquake formula cannot be used at this radius, so, we'll need a new feat.

As brought up, Wakatsuki's mountain shaking feat is a potential replacement, as it actually has the radius a real earthquake would have.

 

[LordGinSama]

That's an Omega feat so it likely wouldn't hold any barring here. I'll see if Clover can calculate the Kengan Annihilation Dome shaking in a different way.

 

[azontr]

That's an Omega feat so it likely wouldn't hold any barring here.

I know man but I really don't feel like looking for other feats for this shit.

 

[NikHelton]

It's calculated as an earthquake, not a vibration. The Man with the Midas Touch literally debunked your entire counter argument against Liu. Anyway, this thread is meant for scaling, not stats. The character scaling will stay the same regardless of stats.

Unfortunately, splashing water in the pool at the top of the building is not an earthquake.
And this is still Liu's individual technique)

 

[Antvasima]

What are the staff conclusions here so far?

 

[LordGinSama]

Unfortunately, splashing water in the pool at the top of the building is not an earthquake.
And this is still Liu's individual technique)

Not the point of this thread. This thread literally doesn't even pretain to Omega but Ashura so again, not the point being argued here.

 

[azontr]

Anyways

We should preferably put this thread on short hold, or at least discussion of God-Tier scaling, until we find a new replacement for our 8-A value.