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The ability being passive didn't matter, Kars understanding it was the reason most people voted in the last thread
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Kars (Jorge Joestar) vs Mechikabura (Dragon Ball Heroes), again.
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doesnt need to be passive
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I thinked the user, there was a user on internal forum that was name sorari or whatever (probably readed wrong for the upset), at least it's a relief that he's not here.
okay, if we talk about the character, however, the latter is all the time, so ye HDE is kinda justified (not really)
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yes but now both are useless, because kars have speed amp and stuff and mechi have other stuff to use
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im not tho.
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They aren't, since Mechikabura still starts with Absorption
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I am actually planning a CRT for Mechi's HDE but unfortunately it might take some time via reasons.
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wasn't due to the black hole stuff tho?
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Yeah, and? Mechi creates a black hole and starts absorbing
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I will do a bit check of why HDE for mechi got downgraded
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ok understandable, so, what stop kars from speed amp and using kq bombs?
just for find wincons and what aren't wincons
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I believe I already know why but you can check if you want
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"About the HDE instead, well, nothing stated that his body is physically made of timelines, and we have a character who doesen't have HDE despite absorbing infinite timelines in himself, so why Mechikabura has if it doesen't fit our standards?"
e, this is pretty bruh honestly, if you absorb timelines inside your body is kinda HDE (at least for vsbw standands). but if wiki treats characthers like then.. that's pretty downplay tho
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Type 8 saves Mechikabura
Speed amp is kinda useless unless he pulls that before the absorption starts
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The time absorbtion feat is arguable imo, but the black hole feat is imo solid
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Wouldn't the passive statistics reduction also affect speed?
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Yes, probably
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Hmmm, this is getting interesting
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he needs absorb all the time tho
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He can do it. It's not a long process tbh
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though im pretty sure the statistic reduction dosen't reduct so much, though in the novel achiving infinite speed is pretty fast tho
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ye he can regenerate from attacks normally, though that's type 3, and type 8 he would get full regenerate from anything
(i think)
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It reduces your stats to half, to be more specific
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Infinite : Infinite? kinda unfair achiving infinite speed
what about time travel?
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even the speed amp is useles , mechi passively reduces stats remember ?
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He already has Type 8 since he succesfully absorbed the entire multiverse
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i think you pinged wrong person
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yes, i know. though shouldn't he absorb all the time for complete it?
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Pretty sure we assume that Mechi already has his regen, but yes, he gained his regen by absorbing the entire multiverse
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eh, though the regeneration is Mid-High. so does immortality type 8 stops it?
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Idk lol.
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ok so, according to regenaration, probably kq bombs are wincons.
mechi wincons here are?
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I'm not completely sure about the wiki's standards for Type 8 so if kq bombs can bypass Mid-High regen then they probably are wincons, unless someone can clarify Type 8
As for Mechi, I believe his wincons are absorbtion and statistics reduction
As for Mechi, I believe his wincons are absorbtion and statistics reduction
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for regen to kq bombs you kinda need Low-Godly i think, because it affects the souls (people said before the reistance to soul was kinda fodder so)
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You need mid-godly, as iirc, low godly is regenerating your body from your soul.
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for what people told me, Mid-Godly is regenerating both your body, soul and mind
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In that case the kq bombs are a probable wincon since (for now) Mechi's regen is only Mid-High. Unless someone can clarifify if Type 8 can save Mechi
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btw reguarding wincons for Mechi, stats reduts can be good for stop him to use MiHur (tho it passively accelerate time so). but even if Mechi absorb everything, D4C passively create universe according to our immortality type 8 kars
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HDE got removed because the reasoning behind it was extremely weak and headcanon. Nothing stated that Mechikabura actually fused with the Black Hoke which wasn't even 4D, just absorbed it, and both Ultima and SeraEX disagree with that being HDE even if that Black Hole was actually 4D.
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The black hole is absolutely 4D as Chronoa outright called it a space-time. And no, she's not talking about a "pocket dimension" as it was explicitly stated that they were stuck inside Mechikabura's black hole not a "pocket dimension" which was never even once brought up or even remotely stated to exist in any Heroes material. Even the dude who translated the entire Universe Mission arcade dialogues confirmed that Chronoa was talking about Mechi's black hole. The pocket dimension is 100% headcanon.
Can you show me these statements? I'm assuming that they're referring to just absorbing the black hole, which isn't necessarily even true since Mechi's physiology was actually altered by the black hole.
Edit: Also to avoid further derailment, If you want I can msg you on your wall if you want to discuss this further. I'd rather avoid turning this thread into a warzone lmao
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