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So he uses a threat detector and sees a Touma is ridiculously weaker then him?
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KuuIchigo said:You mean sensing power levels is all it requires for Ainz to figure they are weak? not take any further preparations? hes sure enough to literally just stand there and get hit over and over?
well he is going to underestimate Touma badly and die.
Lol by what you people are saying Ainz wouldn't be able to even sense his power with any spell. How do you think thats going to make Ainz react?Schnee One said:So he uses a threat detector and sees a Touma is ridiculously weaker then him?
If it fails, which is what people are aruging here, its not going to make Ainz think. "Oh, just a random teenage boy". Its likely going to make him think either a world item is at work here or someone of near strength to him.AnonymousBlank said:Because spells tend to fail in Touma's vicinity and even if it works, he sees some weak af boy that basic New World humans could beat.
He doesn't need to sense the power, the spell only has to fail, which from what you all are saying, will.KuuIchigo said:He has no power. hes a ordinary human that negates powers.
though If Ainz could somehow sense the power within IB (he can't) he would piss himself and BFR himself from the fight to never return.
He's a mage class by default, not a warrior. Even if we're going along with your underselling of Ainz's character, he would just immediately try to finish the fight with Grasp Heart (at a distance, where he would teleport at a great enough distance that Touma can't cross easily).KuuIchigo said:@DeathNoodles Ainz using grasp heart was because he wasn't sure how powerful humans (or anything) were in the new world at all. he now realizes they are weak as hell.
and we already went over what you mentioned a fair bit above.
@Jugger that doesn't help your case.
Okay?OpMasada said:I hate when people confuse ainz's caution with paranoia, he's not paranoid of everything on the damn planet, he's cautious (I'm not saying this disproves your point, but it's not paranoia), and the knights in the beginning of the series is a bad example, as ainz was just testing his strength on blatantly hostile people and was planning to run away if they failed.
Are we seriously now trying to say TGOALID does nothing.....KuuIchigo said:TGOALID does nothing. it fails as easily as everything else.
"Despite being able to negate more powerful attacks, Imagine Breaker can have issues negating powers that are able to regenerate or are receiving a constant supply of power if they are faster than its canceling speed."KuuIchigo said:TGOALID does nothing. it fails as easily as everything else.
That's FiammaAnonymousBlank said:Which of those does Ainz have and is able to cast while being so close to Right Hand of NLF?
You didn't take into consideration that Ainz can teleport and fly. Oh, and Ainz is not the type to let Touma get close to him, so the scenario you've just described becomes invalid.AnonymousBlank said:Ainz has no way to actually beat Touma aside from physically whacking him without getting blocked, which results in
1. He punches at Touma, gets blocked, dies.
2. Swings his staff at Touma, gets blocked, destroyed. Ainz is bloodlusted, refer to point one.
3. Swings his arm at Touma, gets blocked, robe destroyed. Completely open to anything Touma does, he dies.
Spells fail because he is near IB (no teleport/buffs/GH/summons nothing), speed equal means he can't run away since Touma will run after the spooky scary skeleton. This leaves him with only physical attacks which Touma can dodge since Ainz can't even get away to cast spells to catch Touma in the side effects. This fight comes to a one shot scenario which is much easier for Touma since he knows exactly what he needs to do and is used to fighting like this.
This is exaggeration...,a world class item? equal to his strength? What the hell? Ainz is cautious but not some paranoid wreck that you guys try to portray him as, he's not going to think that the guy he's fighting is some god because a simple spell didn't work on them? I get bored of overlord threads only to come back and see you exaggerating his character so he can win.Jugger47 said:If it fails, which is what people are aruging here, its not going to make Ainz think. "Oh, just a random teenage boy". Its likely going to make him think either a world item is at work here or someone of near strength to him.AnonymousBlank said:Because spells tend to fail in Touma's vicinity and even if it works, he sees some weak af boy that basic New World humans could beat.
I'm pretty sure Touma can't negate the powers of enemy just from within his vicinity alone, or he would've negated Accelerator's powers just by being near him (with his fist being close to Accelerator's face and all), but he didn't. He straight up needs physical contact, last I've checked.AnonymousBlank said:@Noodles
I did take those into account, look at the second paragraph right after the numbered points. Ainz can't do any of that stuff.
None of which would happen, as there would be nobody to tell Ainz on who's weak or not. And he would not know of Touma's threat level with IB negating it and all, which still leads him to being very cautious.OpMasada said:This is exaggeration...,a world class item? equal to his strength? What the hell? Ainz is cautious but not some paranoid wreck that you guys try to portray him as, he's not going to think that the guy he's fighting is some god because a simple spell didn't work on them? I get bored of overlord threads only to come back and see you exaggerating his character so he can win.
No, ainz doesn't teleport away and snipe some random guy on the street because a spell failed, and going by what others said, due to the nature of grasp heart, it would likely get nulled and touma has the chance to defeat him with a punch.
You guys seem to forget that ainz is the person that willingly allowed people to strike him in multiple scenarios simply because he confirmed they were weak, he didn't confirm their abilities or hidden skills or anything, just their overall strength, and yet with such mysteries surrounding these characters, -like in vol 13 where a monster he was fighting survived his instant death spell, something that confused him- he literally allowed her to hit him to see what she is capable of because demiurge said she was weak.
There were already threads of Touma vs Ainz before, and they got closed due to being stomp threads. Just get an admin to close this thread and we're done here.Jugger47 said:@DeathNoodles
No matter what we say these guys have clearly come here with their minds made up. Not to mention this was already closed for the stomp it is before aswell. The initial and continuing deliberate disregard for Ainz's profile makes me think this is not debateful in their mind at all for them.
When we get to the point of underselling TGOALID when it has yet to fail even against targets with no concept of life(air, grass) and/or have immunity. Against LB, which has already failed multiple times..yea
I'm leaving. Goodluck I guess
If you would calm down and listen, you would realize there is other series with more potent abilities than Overlord.Jugger47 said:@DeathNoodles
When we get to the point of underselling TGOALID when it has yet to fail even against targets with no concept of life(air, grass) and/or have immunity. Against LB, which has already failed multiple times..yea
I'm leaving. Goodluck I guess
A previous thread being declared a stomp does not mean this thread will be closed if there are differences that allowed touma to win, which there clearly are.DeathNoodles said:There were already threads of Touma vs Ainz before, and they got closed due to being stomp threads. Just get an admin to close this thread and we're done here.Jugger47 said:@DeathNoodles
No matter what we say these guys have clearly come here with their minds made up. Not to mention this was already closed for the stomp it is before aswell. The initial and continuing deliberate disregard for Ainz's profile makes me think this is not debateful in their mind at all for them.
When we get to the point of underselling TGOALID when it has yet to fail even against targets with no concept of life(air, grass) and/or have immunity. Against LB, which has already failed multiple times..yea
I'm leaving. Goodluck I guess