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Yeah.Ohma Zi-O: Every day, more OP.
Mostly likely since Ohma Form Zi-O said he's the king of all eras.Yeah.
Btw, does Ohma Zio also scale to Reiwa Rider? Zero-One, Saber, and Revice? Cuz Saber hax set is kinda useful.
Oke, thank you.Mostly likely since Ohma Form Zi-O said he's the king of all eras.
Yes, but I also have priority for other series as well.I assumed that the revisions after this will be about how Memories interacted with series like Decade/Zi-O?
Here how Amazing Siren works, I ended up taking a while to do this.If you can find the scans for that then this will be further proof that this isn't just a Heisei Rider things, but something that extended across every Rider era.
Also the thread header should totally be called Memories of Heroes but y'know
History isn't equal to memories. Quite the opposite, the evidence I've presented shows that historical erasure does jack shit to memories of Rider.Also, should we elaborated on the whole Tsukasa lacking story/history things? Would that matter into the memories.
Did he eleborated on which part seem hard to comprehend ?Mostly how the scans are not easily comprehensible for an outside observer.
I am reading through this and looking at evidence... Memory being a primal aspect of creation sounds a bit too iffy to me. Feels like some are just flowery language used and twisted into giving it concept and whatnot stuff.
And I have literally no idea what tf is even happening in some of the clips. The one about information doesn't explain anything other than this dude might have data for his mind instead of being a normal human with normal memories. That's not info manip for the whole verse.
I am not seeing concept or info manip. Heck, even soul is extremely iffy
On the first point, it could be seen that way maybe if we ignored all the time that many Rider simply get restored into existence despite the fact that the history has been changed on fundamental level, whether it was how the Den-O characters who SHOULD get yeeted from having their history deleted come back via memories, Decade returned from his death despite lacking history because of memories, this further shown by Ghost who was able to revived himself after the destruction of his own soul via memories. It is shown multiple times across multiples entries and eras that memories do make up a fundamental part of what Riders is.I will repeat what I told Ovens off site;
It does sound flowery when looking at it as an outsider.I am reading through this and looking at evidence... Memory being a primal aspect of creation sounds a bit too iffy to me. Feels like some are just flowery language used and twisted into giving it concept and whatnot stuff.
On the first point, it could be seen that way maybe if we ignored all the time that many Rider simply get restored into existence despite the fact that the history has been changed on fundamental level, whether it was how the Den-O characters who SHOULD get yeeted from having their history deleted come back via memories, Decade returned from his death despite lacking history because of memories, this further shown by Ghost who was able to revived himself after the destruction of his own soul via memories. It is shown multiple times across multiples entries and eras that memories do make up a fundamental part of what Riders is.
I will respond to this:I will repeat what I told Ovens off site;
The scan is a follow-up of this clip when the Imagin disapeared from existence.Before I make a proper respond, I just want to say one thing... Not in one scan am I seeing that memories sustain entire existence. Where did that come from? Because it didn't come from this. Link.
A lot of these are just fancy words taken randomly and presented as if they are somehow abstract and conceptual stuff.
Here how Amazing Siren works, I ended up taking a while to do this.
First of all, I don't see why you think flowery language is being used in these.
Again, your scans don't show thatThe characters explicitly describe memories as something fundamental to reality and can sustain existence.
As aboveThey are being very direct in explaining how memories work and are not speaking in riddles or such.
Don't really see how that's really relevant. But anyway, what's their intelligence level?The statements also come from two time travelers who have the duty to watch over the timeline, which means they understand how time or memories operate to speak about them.
Which scan specifically says this?We have also seen the actual effect that memories can have on reality through many of the examples above, such as the Amazing Siren erasing memories,
"People's memory are time"which consequently erases said object/person from history or time got restored because memories about it still exist.
Througgh time haxI'd admit that it's my fault for organizing the scans and clips badly. My usual approach is that I provide the scans and official source, then I give the clip for visual demonstration. Like in the Ore Sanjou! example, I give scans showing that GaohLiner can control and erase time. Then we have this clip of GaohLiner making an entire era disappear,
Nothing appears in this link.which also contained the Akashic Record.
The way I am seeing it, they basically reversed the time hax/erasure. I am not really seeing something as amazing as concept hax in this.Eventually, we have this clip of the aftermath when Gaoh is defeated, Yuto Sakurai explains that time is brought back because of people's memories.
So essentially a collective consciousness sort of thing? But that leaves the question, why does the other person says "You have the capacity to invade our network", which doesn't imply every entity in the world is part of the collective consciousness, just this group of people.I guess the information thing isn't clear, so I will try to explain it once again: In this previous accepted thread, the guy in the clip is capable of assimilating all the minds and souls in the world inside him. When the protagonist attempts to invade his world, he describes it as the network of data consciousnes, which qualifies for Type 1 Information Manipulation.
I mean the feathers seem like an artistic choice more than anything. This is the only thing I am getting from cross-referencing the visuals with the dialogues being spoken.In the same clip above, we also see the memories of people being illustrated like feathers. It's supported by this clip when he remembers the memories he's made with his friends and family. This means that memories are also information, like consciousness, but are capable of shaping reality, which qualifies for Type 2 Information Manipulation.
Idrc about NEP so never really commended on that.The reason why Ghost would get aspects of type 2 and type 4 NEP is already accepted from the previous thread. He has abandoned his own mind, emotions, and individuality, which are fundamental aspect of a person in the verse. In this case, the mind contained memories, which is explained to be Type 1 concept and Type 2 Information above.
Where?Memories can create time and shape reality.
....You do realise that's not to be taken at face value, right?Time itself can be recreated from the memories of people.
Which is immortality type 8Creatures like the Imagins or Yuto Sakurai can use memories to sustain their own existence, even when they have disappeared from the timeline.
I don't want to sound rude, but this is literally the definition of flowery language. Please.The historical erasure and the erasure of conceptual records from past to future have done nothing to the memories of people. The memories are described as being beyond time, life, and death, which supports the evidence.
I feel like the evidence you are showing me is completely different to the one you are looking at. Everything you just said here doesn't really prove any of this.Simply enough, memories in Kamen Rider can shape-up everything inside reality while also being independent of the changes that affect reality itself.
How could it not? Memories layers far deeper than the history that make up the existence of the people.Again, your scans don't show that
....................My memories make up my existence too, you know.How could it not? Memories layers far deeper than the history that make up the existence of the people.
Because it is literally deeper than the history. Even as history got completely destroy the memories of the people continued to persists still, despite the fact that memories should also disappeared as well."People's memory are time"
"If people remember, time will exist"
....I honestly don't know what else to tell you other than flowery language. Like how does this equate to anything that is concept or info or whatever hax
Which scan specifically says this
Yes, and it doesn't ate through memories, but via memories entire era is restored to it former shape.Througgh time hax
Yes, but do memories revived you from being erased from history?....................My memories make up my existence too, you know.
What is there to be taken at face value exactly? These people doesn't revived because of time hax, again, many characters stated multiple times across multiple series that it isn't the history but the memories itself that are able to restored the destroyed eras....You do realize that is not to be taken at face value right?
Above, also Amazing Siren, Wonder Almighty scans posted by Oma.Where?
Except for the part where Ghost, after stating this, got revived after his soul is completely shattered. Many characters in the show also stated that he SHOULD be beyond dead by this point as he has no body for his soul to returned to and, again, his soul just got yeeted.I don't want to sound rude, but this is literally the definition of flowery language. Please.
Heck, these kinds of words are thrown around irl as well as literally every verse. If we take that at face value, irl humans should get concept and info hax type 1 among a number of the other abilities.