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This is going over a number of different things I've wanted to cover for our Kamen Rider pages. Some are slight changes while others a bit larger in the grand scheme of things
Kamen Rider Agito
So we have a few different keys for the speed of Agito Riders. My suggestion is for all of them to just scale to the MFTL+ feat from Teos. The reason being is that unlike some other Riders across seasons, the speed scaling relatively stays the same. For example, G3-X and Gills could keep up with Shining Agito as well as some Lords who could do the same. While there are certainly differences in strength across forms, speed doesn't seem to require the same level of differing.
Kamen Rider OOO
I would like to adjust the keys for OOO. I would first like to state that I think his tiering is fine, but his Post-Series key is currently placed at 2-C. While down the Post-Series road he does reach 2-C, that is during Heisei Generations FINAL. During the events of Fourze x OOO, he's High 4-C. Because of this, I think his keys should be altered. Let me show you what that would be like:
Attack Potency: 9-B | 7-B | 5-B | At least 5-B, higher with Ground of Rage and Lost Blaze | High 4-C | 2-C | 2-C, far higher as Tajador Eternity
Attack Potency: Wall level (Has fought those who can harm him. Dented metal plating with a single punch. Can fight against several Pseudo Yummies, which are capable of heavily cracking a concrete cross grave with just a hug and likely would have destroyed it had it not been interfered with, which would result in this. Once transformed into Kamen Rider Birth and fought in said form meaning his body met the physical demands to properly utilize the Birth system which would make Eiji comparable to Shintaro Goto) | City level (Soundly defeated the Luna Dopant, who could harm and restrain Double). Medajaribur's OOO Bash ignores conventional durability | Planet level (Was capable of staggering, and then using all of his Complete Combos to destroy Dragon Gara, who in his current state had gained the power of "True OOO", planning to destroy and recreate the Earth, with his power being enough of a threat for each Greeed to lend Eiji their Core Medals as to avoid the destruction of the planet). Medajaribur's OOO Bash ignores conventional durability | At least Planet level (Stronger than before), higher with Ground of Rage and Lost Blaze (One-shot Maki, who could defeat OOO using Putotyra. Lost Blaze destroyed both Maki and the Medal Vessel). Medajaribur's OOO Bash ignore conventional durability | Large Star level (Once attaining the form of Super Tatoba, OOO could easily damage Super GingaOh who was capable of harming a beginning of series Fourze. Went on to destroy Super GingaOh alongside Fourze). Medajaribur's Triple Scanning Charge ignores conventional durability | Low Multiverse level (Helped destroy the Enigma Machine, which was responsible for the merging of two universes). Medajaribur's OOO Bash ignores conventional durability | Low Multiverse level (Stronger than before), far higher as Tajador Eternity (Far stronger than before, completely overpowered and stomped Kamen Rider Goda, whose power well surpassed even that of the Greeed-Absorbed King OOO, who effortlessly defeated normal OOO even before absorbing the Greeeds). Medajaribur's OOO Bash ignores conventional durability
Keys: Eiji Hino | BoS OOO (Episodes 1-16) | MoS OOO (Episodes 17-38) | EoS OOO (Episodes 39-48) | Post-Series | Heisei Generations FINAL | OOO 10th: Core Medal of Resurrection
So yeah. This is just done to avoid further confusion since before HGF, OOO is on the same level as BoS Fourze
Kamen Rider Fourze
Since the speed scaling for OOO has changed quite a bit as time's gone on, we need to change Fourze's speed ratings as he scales to Post-Series OOO
Speed: Peak Human | At least FTL reactions and combat speed (Comparable to OOO), Massively Hypersonic flight and travel speed (With Rocket Switch and other switches, Fourze could easily reached the outer space in short time. With his bike, Fourze could achieved the same feat as Rocket Switch) | At least FTL reactions and combat speed (Faster than before) | At least FTL, likely higher | At least FTL, likely higher
Pretty simple stuff.
Kamen Rider Saber
In a previous Ghost revision, Ghost and Specter received new keys as a result of scaling to Solomon Arc Saber. However, given there was comparability between the Riders here, the Saber speed scaling should be upgraded. Characters in the Solomon Arc end up scaling to the speed of the Riders from Ghost, so Riders such as Saber can be ranked "At least FTL" as of the Solomon Arc.
Kamen Rider Revice
Okay, this is probably the biggest part of the revision. This is the proposal that Revice Riders should scale to End of Series/Storious Arc Saber Riders. A bold idea, but not without merit. The first case of evidence is the 48th episode of Saber. The Batta Deadman appears and actually takes quite a few hits from Saber and Blade with little trouble on two different occassions. Revi and Vice end up destroying the Batta Deadman. Then there's Kamen Rider: Beyond Generations, which is a canonical crossover movie involving several Revice Riders and Saber Riders fighting alongside each other and combatting the same threats. This furthermore backs up the consistency of scaling to Saber. So what would this mean? Would we be getting rid of the Revice keys? Well, not quite, those still seem pretty reliable given how Revice power scaling works. Its just that the ratings would change to 2-C with relevant "higher with [insert form here]" applied. Admittedly, this is also much more clean and reliable than the current Revice scaling chain if you ask me.
Overviewing the Proposals
Thoughts?
Kamen Rider Agito
So we have a few different keys for the speed of Agito Riders. My suggestion is for all of them to just scale to the MFTL+ feat from Teos. The reason being is that unlike some other Riders across seasons, the speed scaling relatively stays the same. For example, G3-X and Gills could keep up with Shining Agito as well as some Lords who could do the same. While there are certainly differences in strength across forms, speed doesn't seem to require the same level of differing.
Kamen Rider OOO
I would like to adjust the keys for OOO. I would first like to state that I think his tiering is fine, but his Post-Series key is currently placed at 2-C. While down the Post-Series road he does reach 2-C, that is during Heisei Generations FINAL. During the events of Fourze x OOO, he's High 4-C. Because of this, I think his keys should be altered. Let me show you what that would be like:
Attack Potency: 9-B | 7-B | 5-B | At least 5-B, higher with Ground of Rage and Lost Blaze | High 4-C | 2-C | 2-C, far higher as Tajador Eternity
Attack Potency: Wall level (Has fought those who can harm him. Dented metal plating with a single punch. Can fight against several Pseudo Yummies, which are capable of heavily cracking a concrete cross grave with just a hug and likely would have destroyed it had it not been interfered with, which would result in this. Once transformed into Kamen Rider Birth and fought in said form meaning his body met the physical demands to properly utilize the Birth system which would make Eiji comparable to Shintaro Goto) | City level (Soundly defeated the Luna Dopant, who could harm and restrain Double). Medajaribur's OOO Bash ignores conventional durability | Planet level (Was capable of staggering, and then using all of his Complete Combos to destroy Dragon Gara, who in his current state had gained the power of "True OOO", planning to destroy and recreate the Earth, with his power being enough of a threat for each Greeed to lend Eiji their Core Medals as to avoid the destruction of the planet). Medajaribur's OOO Bash ignores conventional durability | At least Planet level (Stronger than before), higher with Ground of Rage and Lost Blaze (One-shot Maki, who could defeat OOO using Putotyra. Lost Blaze destroyed both Maki and the Medal Vessel). Medajaribur's OOO Bash ignore conventional durability | Large Star level (Once attaining the form of Super Tatoba, OOO could easily damage Super GingaOh who was capable of harming a beginning of series Fourze. Went on to destroy Super GingaOh alongside Fourze). Medajaribur's Triple Scanning Charge ignores conventional durability | Low Multiverse level (Helped destroy the Enigma Machine, which was responsible for the merging of two universes). Medajaribur's OOO Bash ignores conventional durability | Low Multiverse level (Stronger than before), far higher as Tajador Eternity (Far stronger than before, completely overpowered and stomped Kamen Rider Goda, whose power well surpassed even that of the Greeed-Absorbed King OOO, who effortlessly defeated normal OOO even before absorbing the Greeeds). Medajaribur's OOO Bash ignores conventional durability
Keys: Eiji Hino | BoS OOO (Episodes 1-16) | MoS OOO (Episodes 17-38) | EoS OOO (Episodes 39-48) | Post-Series | Heisei Generations FINAL | OOO 10th: Core Medal of Resurrection
So yeah. This is just done to avoid further confusion since before HGF, OOO is on the same level as BoS Fourze
Kamen Rider Fourze
Since the speed scaling for OOO has changed quite a bit as time's gone on, we need to change Fourze's speed ratings as he scales to Post-Series OOO
Speed: Peak Human | At least FTL reactions and combat speed (Comparable to OOO), Massively Hypersonic flight and travel speed (With Rocket Switch and other switches, Fourze could easily reached the outer space in short time. With his bike, Fourze could achieved the same feat as Rocket Switch) | At least FTL reactions and combat speed (Faster than before) | At least FTL, likely higher | At least FTL, likely higher
Pretty simple stuff.
Kamen Rider Saber
In a previous Ghost revision, Ghost and Specter received new keys as a result of scaling to Solomon Arc Saber. However, given there was comparability between the Riders here, the Saber speed scaling should be upgraded. Characters in the Solomon Arc end up scaling to the speed of the Riders from Ghost, so Riders such as Saber can be ranked "At least FTL" as of the Solomon Arc.
Kamen Rider Revice
Okay, this is probably the biggest part of the revision. This is the proposal that Revice Riders should scale to End of Series/Storious Arc Saber Riders. A bold idea, but not without merit. The first case of evidence is the 48th episode of Saber. The Batta Deadman appears and actually takes quite a few hits from Saber and Blade with little trouble on two different occassions. Revi and Vice end up destroying the Batta Deadman. Then there's Kamen Rider: Beyond Generations, which is a canonical crossover movie involving several Revice Riders and Saber Riders fighting alongside each other and combatting the same threats. This furthermore backs up the consistency of scaling to Saber. So what would this mean? Would we be getting rid of the Revice keys? Well, not quite, those still seem pretty reliable given how Revice power scaling works. Its just that the ratings would change to 2-C with relevant "higher with [insert form here]" applied. Admittedly, this is also much more clean and reliable than the current Revice scaling chain if you ask me.
Overviewing the Proposals
- All Riders in Agito scale to Teos' Massively FTL+ feat
- OOO gets a High 4-C key between his EoS and Heisei Generation FINAL keys
- Fourze gets speed upgrades starting at "At least FTL" for BoS
- Saber Riders become "At least FTL" as of the Solomon Arc
- Revice Riders scale to 2-C from the Storious Arc Saber Riders
Thoughts?
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