Kaguya Vs Yhwach Vs Zeref

[Faisal_Shourov]

^^Dark schneider has his own protection against hax (dispel bound), which Kaguya doesn't. Both Yhwach and Dark Schneiders powers work on conceptual level, but Dark Schneider has better stats anyway so I would also say Darsch's application of hax is also better than Yhwach. But Kaguya is nothing like Yhwach and Darsch so she gets beaten badly

 

[Sheoth]

^^Dark schneider has his own protection against hax (dispel bound), which Kaguya doesn't. Both Yhwach and Dark Schneiders powers work on conceptual level, but Dark Schneider has better stats anyway so I would also say Darsch's application of hax is better than Yhwach. But Kaguya is nothing like Yhwach and Darsch so she gets beaten badly

Yeah but that's not what I'm really saying. I'm saying that if we have a dispel boundless base dark shcneider who uses something very different from reiatsu/reishi as his power source, then can Yhwach, who deals in spiritual based powers, take dark Schneiders spells despite the different power source? I think it's far fetched to assume that he can steal anyone's hax despite the source of whatever their power is...

I know Kaguya is weak af compared to Darsh but the same standard should apply.

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

^^I don't wanna give NLF to Yhwach's power, so Im going to say no, But I do think Yhwach can potentially steal anybody's hax in tier 5. Anything beyond is just speculation since Yhwach has never fought anybody above tier 5, and likely never will. But tier 5 is a very reasonable range imo. Im saying hax abilities only, not physical strength and speed

Edit: I don't think Yhwach can steal Dark Schneider's power, you're right he's only limited to steal hax from beings dependent on spiritual energy.

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

That wasn't the point Faisal he meant stealing powers which aren't reiatsu based in other words powers not his range or anything he's displayed.He wasn't referring to raw power to scale from and determine whether or not he'd be able to.

 

[Sheoth]

That wasn't the point Faisal he meant stealing powers which aren't reiatsu based in other words powers not his range or anything he's displayed.He wasn't referring to raw power to scale from and determine whether or not he'd be able to.

Yeah this is what I mean.

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

That wasn't the point Faisal he meant stealing powers which aren't reiatsu based in other words powers not his range or anything he's displayed.He wasn't referring to raw power to scale from and determine whether or not he'd be able to.

Yeah this is what I mean.

I think Yhwach can only steal power from beings who use spiritual energy as power source (resihi, reiatsu, reiryoku), as he doesn't have the feats to do otherwise.

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

He can steal spiritual based powers regardless given he uses reiatsu but can't say the same for powers which require another source of power than reiatsu however.

 

[Sheoth]

So then Yhwach can't technically steal Something like the rinne sharingan unless verse equalization is on. If that's the case then couldn't this go either way between the 2?

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

does kaguya have anything that can counteract the almighty or Sankt Altar? If not, Yhwach via speed and hax....

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

He can't and yeah goes either way but Yhwach is too hard to scale in fights given the lack of info on his abilities.

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

So then Yhwach can't technically steal
Something like the rinne sharingan unless verse equalization is on. If that's the case then couldn't this go either way between the 2?

He can, because Kaguya's power is based on senjutsu/ ninjutsu. Both of which are spiritual energy in different forms (like reishi and reiatsu). He can steal rinne sharingan same way as Ichimonji or Zanka no Tachi. And it's well within his grasp imo

With verse equalization that is

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

She utilizes chakra so he can't steal her powers if they're not even reiatsu based that's pure speculation that's like saying the fodders in Naruto can absorb any type of energy if they could chakra.Its not the same fundamentals.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

What about his Sankt Altar?

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

She utilizes chakra so he can't steal her powers if they're not even reiatsu based that's pure speculation that's like saying the fodders in Naruto can absorb any type of energy if they could chakra.Its not the same fundamentals.

It's not about absorbing energy, it's about stealing hax. Both chakra and reishi/reiatsu etc are life force of their respective verse. I don't know what naruto fodder has to do with this

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

It's still reiatsu based -_-

 

[AllanSaiyan]

But When reading the almighty it didn't say anything about have Reiatsu. Unlike Genjutsu it says something about the chakra flow etc.

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

It's still reiatsu based -_-

Quincy and soul reapers use different power source anyway, I don't see why that would be a problem

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

It's not about absorbing energy, it's about stealing hax. Both chakra and reishi/reiatsu etc are life force of their respective verse. I don't know what naruto fodder has to do with this

You need energy to use those powers without verse equalization he can't do anything to her with his hax.And I examplified them they are irrelevant to the subject obviously.

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

Quincy and soul reapers use different power source anyway, I don't see why that would be a problem

All still spritual based however....see the point?

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

When Flash fights we assume he can steal speed, Yhwach should be able to use sankt altar as well. We shouldn't say it's speed force based for Flash. just saying

 

[Valar_Melkor_2]

Kaguya.

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

But When reading the almighty it didn't say anything about have Reiatsu. Unlike Genjutsu it says something about the chakra flow etc.

Genjutsu is irrelevant in this case it's about powers and how he's supposed to steal powers with different fundamentals.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Yhwach through significantly greater speed and Attack Potency.

Also, doesn't this count as an alive Bleach character thread?

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Sankt Altar (þ░ÆÕѬÞüûÕúç (ÒéÂÒâ│Òé»ÒâêÒâ╗ÒéóÒâ½Òé┐Òâ╝Òâ½), Zankuto Arut─üru; German for "Saint Altar", Japanese for "Usurpation Altar"): Yhwach summons five orbs of energy in the air around a target that shoot out concentrated beams of energy at the target, forming the pattern of a large Quincy Zeiche; these beams take the power of the target with the intent of giving the taken power to Yhwach.

Nothing in this states he can't steal other powers that aren't reshi based...

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Yhwach through significantly greater speed and Attack Potency.
Also, doesn't this count as an alive Bleach character thread?

Yes, yes it does....

 

[Valar_Melkor_2]

Yhwach has lower attack potency than Kaguya...

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

When Flash fights we assume he can steal speed, Yhwach should be able to use sankt altar as well. We shouldn't say it's speed force based for Flash. just saying

Flash can steal speed yes but how exactly does that have anything to do in this case?

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

Yhwach through significantly greater speed and Attack Potency.
Also, doesn't this count as an alive Bleach character thread?

we are not adding this to the profiles, just to see match outcome only

 

[The_Everlasting]

Yhwach has lower attack potency than Kaguya...

Wut? Did ya see the update for Yhwach?

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Yhwach has lower attack potency than Kaguya...

But lower speed, the same durabilty, and far inferior hax....

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

When Flash fights we assume he can steal speed, Yhwach should be able to use sankt altar as well. We shouldn't say it's speed force based for Flash. just saying

Flash can steal speed yes but how exactly does that have anything to do in this case?

never mind. if you see sankt altar's definition it doesn't say anything about reishi or reiatsu. it just steals power.

 

[Valar_Melkor_2]

Yhwach has lower attack potency than Kaguya...

Wut? Did ya see the update for Yhwach?

Yes. Moon level vs Moon level+ with one Planet level technique.

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

Sankt Altar (þ░ÆÕѬÞüûÕúç (ÒéÂÒâ│Òé»ÒâêÒâ╗ÒéóÒâ½Òé┐Òâ╝Òâ½), Zankuto Arut─üru; German for "Saint Altar", Japanese for "Usurpation Altar"): Yhwach summons five orbs of energy in the air around a target that shoot out concentrated beams of energy at the target, forming the pattern of a large Quincy Zeiche; these beams take the power of the target with the intent of giving the taken power to Yhwach.

Nothing in this states he can't steal other powers that aren't reshi based...

That's someone's interpretation on it you do realize that everyone in the verse utilizes reiatsu and reishi right all spritual based powers are you saying that what he absorbed isn't spiritual energy....

 

[The_Everlasting]

Do I need to remind you that the feat was done super casually? Also, the + really doesn't mean anything, especially with how much faster Yhwach is.

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

Sankt Altar (þ░ÆÕѬÞüûÕúç (ÒéÂÒâ│Òé»ÒâêÒâ╗ÒéóÒâ½Òé┐Òâ╝Òâ½), Zankuto Arut─üru; German for "Saint Altar", Japanese for "Usurpation Altar"): Yhwach summons five orbs of energy in the air around a target that shoot out concentrated beams of energy at the target, forming the pattern of a large Quincy Zeiche; these beams take the power of the target with the intent of giving the taken power to Yhwach.

Nothing in this states he can't steal other powers that aren't reshi based...

That's someone's interpretation on it you do realize that everyone in the verse utilizes reiatsu and reishi right all spritual based powers are you saying that what he absorbed isn't spiritual energy....

Listen bruh, by this logic we can't also accept Beerus' energy nullification since all energy in DBZ is just Ki based. Neither Yhwach nor Beerus said anything about resihi or Ki. It doesn't say anything about spiritial energy, just steals power

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

Flash can steal speed yes but how exactly does that have anything to do in this case?
never mind. if you see sankt altar's definition it doesn't say anything about reishi or reiatsu. it just steals power.

• Sighs*

Bruh....the almighty also says nothing about reiatsu and reishi at all you must put 2 and 2 together....he asborbed spritual energy as they all utilize that to begin with...

 

[Valar_Melkor_2]

Yhwach has lower attack potency than Kaguya...

But lower speed, the same durabilty, and far inferior hax....

Kaguya could just teleport to her core dimension and then leave an Expansive Truth Seeking Orb wherever Yhwach and Zeref are though. And since she was going to tank her own strongest attack shouldn't she have Planet level durability?

 

[The_Everlasting]

She needs to think to use teleportation, which she can't do against an opponent several times faster than her.

Considering how she was constantly injured by characters of a much lower tier, we can't consider that accurate. Besides, she could have just been planning to teleport to a different dimension to escape.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Not before Yhwach nullifies all incoming attacks using the almighty, it say's this on her page "Durability: At least Moon level (But her durability was portrayed very inconsistently. However, immortality and Regenerationn make her hard to kill.)"

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

That's someone's interpretation on it you do realize that everyone in the verse utilizes reiatsu and reishi right all spritual based powers are you saying that what he absorbed isn't spiritual energy....
Listen bruh, by this logic we can't also accept Beerus' energy nullification since all energy in DBZ is just Ki based. Neither Yhwach nor Beerus said anything about resihi or Ki. It doesn't say anything about spiritial energy, just steals power

Ki isn't reiatsu first of all secondly its explicitly stated to be within everyone chakra originated from shinju three without verse equalization he's not stealing anything from her at all with all his spiritual based techniques her powers involve the moulding of both spiritual and physical power its exclusive to the Naruto series but spiritual energy isn't.