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Kinda like a house fly vs human type situation
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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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Oh calculating for Uraume blitzing Choso and Yuji there
Yeah I can do it
I can see it being a good supporting feat
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I feel like Uraume is going to create a blizzard at some point
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I honestly feel like Uraume might just use reverse cursed technique for fire attacks? Since Uraume is closely associated with Sukuna can’t be too sure tho
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Mh, I don't think so. Like, we have 3 characters with fire manipulation, plus one is weird
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That’s fair, but it would be cool to see more reverse technique usages like Gojo does with red
Or combining red and blue
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Cool, the piercing blood Calc got accepted
Supersonic+ it is
Supersonic+ it is
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If prior to culling games Yuji is consistently supersonic ignoring maki bullet feat. then Naoya blitzing Choso and needing to increase his visual acuity to perceive him, I think hypersonic+ Naoya makes sense.
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Cool
Although if I am understanding projection sorcery right we can use the 1/24fps for timeframes if no one is getting blitzed or we are unsure on timeframes right?
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Not really worth calculating, also another thing we should consider is that Naoya despite Choso making him heavier wasn't scared of being incapable of dodging piercing blood.something to consider but Urahime considers pb fast as well.
also what was this calced to be?
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Yes i actually noticed this, just means a weighed down Naoya can react to pb
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Except that Black Flash increases the power exponentially based on the unit of "Cursed Energy" (which starts at a value of 2 according to a comedic volume extra, because 1^2.5 = 1). We don't know how "Cursed Energy" can be converted to a real life physics unit.
Unlike normal multipliers, exponentials are heavily dependant on the unit. A 100 Joules = 2.39E-8 Ton of Tnt. If we apply a ^2.5 exponent we get: 100000 Joules and 8.8306923E-20
One of them became much bigger while the other became much smaller, even though both values equals the same. They are expressed in different units, so we can't just slap on an exponential meant for the unit of "Cursed Energy".
If we knew a multiplier for Black Flash we would've applied it. Though the chart comparing the power levels of Grades makes continent-shattering punches rather unbelievable.
Second of all, the calculations allow a Subsonic low-end, so facts don't clearly show that characters are not Subsonic; even the bullet getting caught is very plausibly a rubber bullet like the one previously used against Nobara and Maki, and Choso's piercing blood was considered undodgable from far away without aim-dodging and the Piercing Blood is only quick in the beginning and slows down.
The explicit statement and the mere existence of the 24 FPS projection technique outweighs them.
Unlike normal multipliers, exponentials are heavily dependant on the unit. A 100 Joules = 2.39E-8 Ton of Tnt. If we apply a ^2.5 exponent we get: 100000 Joules and 8.8306923E-20
One of them became much bigger while the other became much smaller, even though both values equals the same. They are expressed in different units, so we can't just slap on an exponential meant for the unit of "Cursed Energy".
If we knew a multiplier for Black Flash we would've applied it. Though the chart comparing the power levels of Grades makes continent-shattering punches rather unbelievable.
Second of all, the calculations allow a Subsonic low-end, so facts don't clearly show that characters are not Subsonic; even the bullet getting caught is very plausibly a rubber bullet like the one previously used against Nobara and Maki, and Choso's piercing blood was considered undodgable from far away without aim-dodging and the Piercing Blood is only quick in the beginning and slows down.
The explicit statement and the mere existence of the 24 FPS projection technique outweighs them.
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Under normal assumptions some would be Supersonic and above, but it is still possible to reasonably interrupt them as Subsonic (except for some of the anime stuff. In which case it would be explicit statements from manga vs how the anime adapted a scene. I think the explicit statements win).
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Man, seriously... It seems like you are wanting to downgrade simple things as much as possible by a single extremely vague sentence with "Exceeded subsonic speed", but anyway, **** it
I think I'll downgrade BC someday to 9-C
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the statement is "Who had already had already surpassed sub_sonic speed". "Had" past tense. Meaning that well before the statement or the attack in the moment, he had surpassed sub-sonic speeds, not in the moment of the statement or the attack. Not only that but he was becoming faster and faster.
All the statement means is that sometime in his earlier speeds he had surpassed sub-sonic. And knowing he is getting faster and faster he is now blitzing Maki who is hypersonic. Nothing contradictory.
The statement also never says other characters aren't above sub-sonic. If do go by that logic, we have mutiple calcs of characters above sound and many using sound based techniques. Even if we went with that logic, the statement would be outweighted and disregarded anyways.
All the statement means is that sometime in his earlier speeds he had surpassed sub-sonic. And knowing he is getting faster and faster he is now blitzing Maki who is hypersonic. Nothing contradictory.
The statement also never says other characters aren't above sub-sonic. If do go by that logic, we have mutiple calcs of characters above sound and many using sound based techniques. Even if we went with that logic, the statement would be outweighted and disregarded anyways.
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next Gege is gonna say something like Special Grade curses can destroy a small houseCan't believe this one statement was used to potentially push SUBSONIC jjk
Then any AP Feats with be downplayed to the most extreme of extremes to force those feats to be small building level
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Yeah, it’s quite a shame
I hope Gege gets to recover fully as his health is the number 1 priority
Although it’s still going to be very different not having JJK to read on Sundays for a whole month guess it gives me an excuse to catch up on other Jump series tho
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Yeah, it's not gonna be easy at all.
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He needs a team correcting stuff and making sure he's consistent with his portrayal of characters feats
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I am already planning to Calc thatSo noticed this, but another speed feat that could be calced for Naoya is this,
And whatever this comes out to can support speed rating for Choso's frss since he can perceive him.
Seems like a pretty good feat
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But seriously now, we can't bother Akutami (Like people do with Togashi, for example), she is sick. Akutami needs to rest until she feels healthy
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imagine we get months off for chapter releases when jjk is in its final stage
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Those would be tough times
But still gotta prioritize Akutami’s health
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Btw I calculated it, Naoya is casually Supersonic (Slightly above Mach 1) or Mach 0.4 (Almost Subsonic+ casually) if he moved in 0.04 seconds according to the 1/24fpsSo noticed this, but another speed feat that could be calced for Naoya is this,
And whatever this comes out to can support speed rating for Choso's frss since he can perceive him.
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I was wondering why did you not scale how far yuji's punch and far it moved to how far Naoya had moved?
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It wouldn’t Yield that good overall
It would yield better if Yuji’s fist was starting from a closer range but it wasn’t (Probably would just get superhuman to close to baseline subsonic results)
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So 9 pages followed by a month hiatus at minimum. The rough drafts in 150 were clear signs of overworking.
Also the existence of Projection Sorcery refutes that other characters are above Subsonic. It means that current Maki and current Yuji got blitzed by Naoya moving a few meters within 1/24 second... That is Subsonic mate.
Again, no conclusive calc that shows above subsonic speed except anime. All others can be reasonably interrupted as subsonic. Using a gun doesn't mean you are faster than the bullet. Using a guitar doesn't mean you are faster than sound.
I was personally placing the speed at hypersonic or high hypersonic, before explicit statements that the characters are struggling with subsonic speed.
Unfortunately, it was refeering specifically to Naoya (one of the fastest characters), after he was using Projection Sorcery to boost his acceleration as much as possible.
Surpassed subsonic speed after using Projection Sorcery to continously build up his speed unnaturally to his maximum. Surpassing subsonic speed is clearly not a common occurance if it requires a speed boost for one of the fastest characters, and merely surpassing subsonic speed is a major threat to current Maki.
Also the existence of Projection Sorcery refutes that other characters are above Subsonic. It means that current Maki and current Yuji got blitzed by Naoya moving a few meters within 1/24 second... That is Subsonic mate.
Again, no conclusive calc that shows above subsonic speed except anime. All others can be reasonably interrupted as subsonic. Using a gun doesn't mean you are faster than the bullet. Using a guitar doesn't mean you are faster than sound.
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Literally irrelevant. It's the same thing like using Netero Prime who is said to "Have fists that surpass the speed of sound" and downgrading the verse because he is the fastest character
Todo overcomes Megumi's vision and reactions with his speed (If you calculate the distance you will probably get a Supersonic result)
Random warriors manage to disappear from the reader's vision (See that they only ran after receiving the mission)
Megumi can only perceive Toji's movement when the attack is finished
Maki is clearly faster than the vision, reaction and perception of one of the strongest sorcerers in the Zenin clan with a single casual movement
Todo can elaborate an imagination with a dialog in 0.01 seconds
Yeah no. There are probably more examples, but mhe
Holy shit, Itadori atlethic level is not a joke. And seriously, why the hell does 1/24 have relevance here? 1/24 is advantageous regardless of speed
Basically
- Feats
- Supersonic
- Supersonic
- Hypersonic+
- High Hypersonic
- Hypersonic+
- Subsonic+
- High Hypersonic
- Todo imagine things out in 0.01 seconds
- Random Warriors disappear from the reader's vision
- "Anti-feats"
- "For Naoya who has already exceeded the subsonic speed"
Yeah no. I refuse to debate about it
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Something to think about but Naoya does consider PB to be a frightening technique or at least something that shouldn't be allowed to be used when fighting a blood manipulator. So this would support it's speed being higher than just SOS after it's launch.
Now the other interpretation is that he's actually just slower than the sos but too many calcs go against that and so do other feats.
Would like opinions on it though.
Now the other interpretation is that he's actually just slower than the sos but too many calcs go against that and so do other feats.
Would like opinions on it though.
