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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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It said he was superior to subsonic speeds
In this context it makes sense if he’s above Mach 0.9
Because Subsonic is just anything below the speed of sound so to be superior to all of it he had to have been transonic at worst
I still get your point tho
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Assuming Maki's durability is High 7-C baseline, it is possible to find the speed
4.184e+14 = (75*(x^2))/2
x^2 = 4.184e+14/75
x^2 = (5.5786667e+12)*2
x = √1.1157333e+13
x = 3340259.42106m/s
lol
4.184e+14 = (75*(x^2))/2
x^2 = 4.184e+14/75
x^2 = (5.5786667e+12)*2
x = √1.1157333e+13
x = 3340259.42106m/s
lol
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I'll just say it, after inflating verse speeds, some people are indeed in denial about this.
If characters were casually breaking the sound barrier, the author wouldn't neglect to draw Sonic booms. Especially for someone like Gege who loves action scenes in general and seems pretty knowledgeable on physics/math.
I know speed is important and everyone wants their verse to be the fastest no matter the facts but if characters are scaled correctly, then you will never have to worry about stuff like this.
I've seen this same thing with Mashle and people trying to push an explicitly stated speed of sound character to way faster than that.
And sometimes people use a single outlier feat in the verse to push an entire verse to lightning or even light speed. That's what happened with Demon Slayer & for stuff like Naruto, Black Clover, One Piece etc where supposedly Lightspeed characters take hours or days to travel several kilometers and some can't outrun vehicular speeds (Luffy).
If characters were casually breaking the sound barrier, the author wouldn't neglect to draw Sonic booms. Especially for someone like Gege who loves action scenes in general and seems pretty knowledgeable on physics/math.
I know speed is important and everyone wants their verse to be the fastest no matter the facts but if characters are scaled correctly, then you will never have to worry about stuff like this.
I've seen this same thing with Mashle and people trying to push an explicitly stated speed of sound character to way faster than that.
And sometimes people use a single outlier feat in the verse to push an entire verse to lightning or even light speed. That's what happened with Demon Slayer & for stuff like Naruto, Black Clover, One Piece etc where supposedly Lightspeed characters take hours or days to travel several kilometers and some can't outrun vehicular speeds (Luffy).
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I think you'd better read the thread. We are calculating new feats to achieve consistency
What you said is stupid. It seems to say that we have no basis
What you said is stupid. It seems to say that we have no basis
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That’s why we’re making new calcs in the first place
We won’t scale purely off Maki anymore
We have 2 Supersonic+ Yuji calcs
Hypersonic Hanami and Supersonic Stone hands
Sonic Boom argument is weird You could use that to say every character in MHA not making a Sonic boom by moving/dashing (30% Deku who only makes Sonic booms with Fa Jin, Shoto, Kaminari etc) is less than Supersonic
Horikoshi pays attention to Sonic Booms and uses them a lot to illustrate intense speeds as well.
Yet he proceeds to have characters not making Sonic booms still keeping up with those that do in speed
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A verse like naruto tends to be more combat speed than travel speed so taking days to travel isn't even a contradiction in their speed.
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This is something I explicitly hate. Insulting the author for fan misinterpretations. Gege clearly knows what speed he wants his verse to be but people kept inflating stuff despite what's stated on the page.
I remember being here during Piercing Blood debates and even when some people wanted to use Black Flash to massively inflate JJK speed. People have an agenda that's clearly not in manga canon then get mad when the author actively restates the verse speed tier.
If you have to insult the author just so your scaling can be true then I don't know what to say.
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Gage is not a idiot, she is simply an author who makes mistakes in "Power of Verse" points. Take Bleach for example, characters say they can't cut metal but are 6-C, or on CDZ, where characters traverse the Universe but take 5 minutes to run 1km
This is common. It makes no sense to consider Jujutsu an exception
This is common. It makes no sense to consider Jujutsu an exception
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Gege isn’t being an idiot it’s just that many authors kinda don’t care and want things to sound cool
Gege probably just has a vague concept of how fast these characters are but that’s likely as far as it goes
A verse I’m heavily invested in has seemingly consistently massively hypersonic characters who fly to places like the moon and across the planet in short timeframes will randomly have a character struggle with Missles or take 42 seconds to fly 500km.
A verse that does pay attention to speed would be one that’s straight up consistently gives hard numbers and speed ranges like the Index Franchise.
Most verses don’t care so it’s kinda up to us and this stuff happens all the time
Jujutsu isn’t an exception. Unless you wanna change wiki standards on outliers and inconsistencies
Gege probably just has a vague concept of how fast these characters are but that’s likely as far as it goes
A verse I’m heavily invested in has seemingly consistently massively hypersonic characters who fly to places like the moon and across the planet in short timeframes will randomly have a character struggle with Missles or take 42 seconds to fly 500km.
A verse that does pay attention to speed would be one that’s straight up consistently gives hard numbers and speed ranges like the Index Franchise.
Most verses don’t care so it’s kinda up to us and this stuff happens all the time
Jujutsu isn’t an exception. Unless you wanna change wiki standards on outliers and inconsistencies
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Dude, I 100% agree with this, people often make fan calculations, inflate the speed of the verse and call everything that contradicts their headcanon either PIS or Outlier and completely disregard author's statement when it makes characters look weaker.
But, this though, uhg, it hurts me even reading this.
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Oh Jesus Christ. Why do people want to use this stupid idea only in Jujutsu?
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Which stupid idea?
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Ofc one of the things that’s objective with the authorial intent here is that characters like Yuji and pre amp Maki are not like Mach 26 at the start of the series because of Piercing blood being Supersonic.
Although I can also Calc piecing blood
Rough guesses have it at around maybe Mach 3-4? in the dodge scene with Yuji not sure Because he fired as Yuji was cm above the ground
That could upgrade the Yuji Calc a decent bit
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I think it's obvious
Hell, BC characters for example take minutes to cross a few kilometers even for the characters being FTL
Hell, BC characters for example take minutes to cross a few kilometers even for the characters being FTL
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Asta supposedly can’t cut steel without Anti-Magic.
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I do think this is fair in some cases tho
If the author says
Someone is the speed of sound, unless that character many feats/statements saying otherwise and that the statement is the contradiction then yeah it’s dumb to inflate them
But with Jujutsu at least we acknowledged yeah High Hypersonic off of one feat alone that’s way higher than other stuff is wack
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Also, if you guys want to make this idea work, create a thread not for Jujutsu, create one for the wiki itself. This idea affects not only Jujutsu, but the whole verses of the site. Arguing this here is useless
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Although with Black clover isn’t Ftl mostly combat speed?
If it’s travel speed too then
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If those missiles are making them struggle then the missiles are that fast.
and if they take 42 seconds to fly 500km then the author isn't paying attention to what he's saying doing math to see if what he says follows with past feats.
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I don't see a reason to, no one is applying anything out of norm.
We are just saying that you can't disregard author's statements, and you can't be selective on which statements from the author you accept.
Like, for example, if you accept Piercing Blood statement what makes you reject the sub-sonic+ statement? You can't exclusively accept positive (in your opinion) statements regarding their strength and disregard negative ones.
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I don't refuse.
- 既に亜音速を超えている直哉に対し
- For Naoya who has already exceeded the subsonic speed
Why would I refuse the obvious?
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No one's really disregarding it, it's just Gege doesn't understand how "surpass subsonic speed" and "exceed speed of sound" look to the reader, even without powerscaling that would look weird to say a faster character is just now surpassing subsonic speed when prior other characters are already having numerous feats that scale above the statement.
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Tbf the statement was exceeded subsonic speed
He was minimum transonic and was clearly above subsonic speeds no one rejects this
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If you don't, it's good.
And I want to point out, exceeding the subsonic speed doesn't mean being supersonic or anything, it means being 0.1 to 0.9 mach, nothing more.
If this is accepted then Maki should receive a fat downgrade from Hypersonic to Sub-Sonic because she clearly couldn't keep up with him.
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He is consistent.
Piercing Blood exceeds the speed of sound, but it moves fast only at the beginning and considering recent events of sub-sonic speed being fast for Maki it means that Yuji dodged Piercing Blood already at the point where it dropped to that speed or even below, he not only needed to predict trajectory but also some distance to actually be able to dodge it, and it still was hard.
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LMAO Do you at least know how far Naoya was from the subsonic baseline?
Random clan warriors are faster than the eye
Maki with a casual movement is much faster than the perception of one of the clan's strongest sorcerers
Naoya is much faster than Maki
They were not close to Subsonic. And again, there are 4 calculations above the speed of sound, what you are arguing is stupid and dishonest
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Ok if pb exceeds the sos on launch, then that means we don't know where it goes or how fast it has becomes. It could be hypersonic, supersonic, mhs, anywhere but it slowing down does not mean now it is below sos.
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Don’t agree with that ofc Maki being nerfed from High Hypersonic is good.
But the statement was that he exeeded it already
We don’t know at what point he did and to what magnitude he could be Mach 2-5 in this scene for all we know.
And Maki could literally count all his movements, and looked bored the whole time on top of being weakened, she was waiting for an opening since she didn’t understand the cursed technique yet
Naoya was faster but she’s still got the reactions and perception to not just get ragdolled and just start counting how many times she got hit instead
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he just needed to predict the timing. nothing else. he still reacts while its cms away
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yea this too. Maki can literally see him moving. So perception wise she can keep up but combat movement no, she's also implied to be weakened so there's that too.
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This reminds me of people arguing that Kengan characters are not faster than a bullet because of one scan
And this idea is repeated in Jujutsu lol
And this idea is repeated in Jujutsu lol
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Still even when he had to time that dodge from a distance away he still had to move relative to piercing blood
And in fact he moves more than it
I can Calc Piercing blood it travels several meters in the time it takes Yuji to fall a few cm
I’ll be shocked if it isn’t Supersonic+ Average speed for the projectile
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Wait, so if every fodder in the verse is sub-sonic then why was Maki nervous about him exceeding sub-sonic speeds?
Your headcanon calculations with made up parameters that contradict the canon are irrelevant.
Also, don't do this. I don't like what you are arguing either.
Also guys you have to realize I am not going to entertain every JJK fan and reply to every single one of you.
This doesn't make any sense and I believe you know it, if he reached Sonic speed or exceeded it then why did she says that he exceeded subsonic speed? Why didn't Gege point out that he was moving and supersonic speeds? I think the answer is that he probably wasn't and sub-sonic was the closest speed he was moving at.
That gives her higher perception speed, which is fine with me.
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She wasn't, never stated. The narrative is talking about subsonic not her. She doesn't actually know
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It can't be supersonic for two reasons.
1. Maki at this point had problems with sub-sonic+.
2. Yuji himself stated that he can't dodge Piercing Blood without some distance and trajectory calculation.
Again, I am not going to entertain every single one of you, you can reject every single statement you don't like and accept ones you like, fine.
Either I or someone else will do a downgrade CRT anyway.
