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NoNanami is getting blitzed and one shot’d lol
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3 Finger Sukuna got NUKED to just slightly above Nue level, aka 8b+ (?) I think, like city block level+. 15 Finger Sukuna himself is only 8-AFor example Jogo is stronger than 3 Finger Sukuna but he’s still just considered 8-B while Sukuna is 8-A.
Only up to Shibuya. Since no one wants to help it'll take some time to finish everything.So just wondering have all the profiles been updated in terms of scaling?
...which was fired right in his faceI'm fine with the 1 microsecond cap being removed tbh, it was pretty much a formality considering how many other things this verse has that places it leagues below MHS+ like even with Sukuna being weakened by Yuji's Soul Manip rn, he's still in the Zone and landing Black Flashes yet susceptible to being tagged by Yuji's Piercing Blood
This is why I think Jogo is so underrated even though many fans will try to dismiss this statementAhh I see. Was wondering why the scaling was such a mess. Like I could’ve sworn it was stated by Gege that Kenjaku would have a hard time against Jogo and Mahito after Shibuya Incident. And yet he was Low 7-C while Jogo was just 8-B while Mahito was 8-A.
This doesn't mean Jogo and Mahito scale to him physically. Everything isn't about physicals. They will stay those tiers. M3x already went over their ap actually recently in a crt same as others so any 8-B and 8-A you see will most likely be staying as isAhh I see. Was wondering why the scaling was such a mess. Like I could’ve sworn it was stated by Gege that Kenjaku would have a hard time against Jogo and Mahito after Shibuya Incident. And yet he was Low 7-C while Jogo was just 8-B while Mahito was 8-A.
IIRC this is cap. He said there is a possibility he could have some trouble, but knowing what we know, he'd slamAhh I see. Was wondering why the scaling was such a mess. Like I could’ve sworn it was stated by Gege that Kenjaku would have a hard time against Jogo and Mahito after Shibuya Incident. And yet he was Low 7-C while Jogo was just 8-B while Mahito was 8-A.
I know right? if I was a weaker man I would've bing bang boomed my brains out ages ago reading this thread.This thread is a headache and a half I shouldve just stuck with Mashle
It's an off guard attack on Sukuna literally cm away from his face alongside it barely scrapping him, whilst Sukuna is literally holding back to match their level like what he's been doing the entire fight (meaning it doesn't scale to him in speed necessarily at all), but also if we wanna be particular simply landing BF isn't the same thing as Gojo saying he can land punches in that time frame at will meaning you can't backscale current severely weakened Sukuna to Gojo from just "he landed black flashes".I'm fine with the 1 microsecond cap being removed tbh, it was pretty much a formality considering how many other things this verse has that places it leagues below MHS+ like even with Sukuna being weakened by Yuji's Soul Manip rn, he's still in the Zone and landing Black Flashes yet susceptible to being tagged by Yuji's Piercing Blood
For someone who was supposedly reacting at one microsecond this means literally nothing.It's an off guard attack on Sukuna literally cm away from his face alongside it barely scrapping him
PB = 343 m/s = 34,300 cm/sFor someone who was supposedly reacting at one microsecond this means literally nothing.
The evidence being superior feats later on when used by faster, stronger, more skilled characters. I don't know how you can call that headcanon; I wouldn't say we should upscale Raditz to Granolah simply because they are both struggling with the same technique in DB, do you think I'm committing headcanon by not saying that?If you think Piercing Blood got faster, then you have to prove it. I don’t even remember it doing the sonic booms anymore and that’s what makes it Supersonic.
How fast did it get? How to use it for calcs? How are we supposed to rate it? It’s just your headcanon.
Cool imaginary scenario. A shame that this is not one centimeter.PB = 343 m/s = 34,300 cm/s
distance = lets say 1 cm for now, could be higher or lower by small margins
time for Sukuna to dodge = 0.00002915451
An off-guard and holding back character failing to react within 0.00002 seconds doesn't contradict them, at their peak, perceiving 0.00001 second time frames
Sorry but you have no idea of what you’re talking about. This is beyond your knowledge about powerscaling (cringe). This is about calculations. Piercing Blood could’ve been used by ******* Gojo at his peak and it would still be a Supersonic attack. Doesn’t matter how many times Choso got stronger, how fast his opponents were. You have no idea how to rate a “faster” Piercing Blood, how to use it for calculations and how to prove it got faster.The evidence being superior feats later on when used by faster, stronger, more skilled characters. I don't know how you can call that headcanon; I wouldn't say we should upscale Raditz to Granolah simply because they are both struggling with the same technique in DB, do you think I'm committing headcanon by not saying that?
In the panel all we see is Yuji placing his hands right next to Sukuna's face, not much there in terms of contradicting the distance.Cool imaginary scenario. A shame that this is not one centimeter.
What gest and chants did Yuji do in the scene?Also, Yuji had time to do the gest and chant it. That’s most certainly not off-guard as you may think it is.
It's your burden to prove this; you're arguing that we should be able to dismiss things which happen on panel because it's concretely contradicted in a way which cannot be remedied via other things, so your claim is contingent on piercing blood capping at supersonic speeds and never going above that and yet your only evidence is a statement of far weaker characters using a technique at a supersonic speed. Your evidence doesn't fulfil your requirements of proof, meanwhile my interpretation doesn't require ignoring parts of the series as 'outliers' to make sense and is coherent within the series inverse scaling.Piercing Blood could’ve been used by ******* Gojo at his peak and it would still be a Supersonic attack.
Why do we need an exact statement of a things m/s speed to infer that it's now faster from it tagging far faster and more impressive characters? You're prescribing to me a burden of proof which isn't needed for my conclusion to be validated.Doesn’t matter how many times Choso got stronger, how fast his opponents were. You have no idea how to rate a “faster” Piercing Blood, how to use it for calculations and how to prove it got faster.
So? Choso was a foetus for those 150 years also, just because someone's lived for a long time that means they can't get stronger? You're saying I'm the one making headcanon?Yeah, it’s all your headcanon. Choso was improving his Blood Manipulation for 150 years and he came out with Supersonic as its attack speed. And some techniques were slower. Stop with this bullshit.
this is... dogshit reasoningThe evidence being superior feats later on when used by faster, stronger, more skilled characters. I don't know how you can call that headcanon; I wouldn't say we should upscale Raditz to Granolah simply because they are both struggling with the same technique in DB, do you think I'm committing headcanon by not saying that?
If we see Roshi use kamehameha and damage / tag characters FAR stronger and faster than characters Goku is capable of damaging and hitting with kamehameha, do you agree then it's reasonable to say Roshi > Goku in the technique even if we aren't directly told the ratio of ki they put into the technique? If so, you agree with what I'm literally saying.this is... dogshit reasoning
techniques have a base level needed to emit them. A kamehameha could need 5 ki, kid Goku could use 6 and roshi could use 300, but if ******* Buu used 4 then it wouldn't be a kamehameha
Choso helped Yuji with his PB against Sukuna so this doesn't have any relevance, although I will say Yuji struggling with convergence has no barring on the degree to which he can amp himself and his CT with CE.Choso and Kamo both have far more efficient convergence skill than Yuji who couldn't do it efficiently and theirs barely surpassed the speed of sound. Yuji hitting hard doesn't mean his blood manipulation is superior, especially when he's so trash with it he can't do the basic technique of blood manipulation, convergence, effectively
Please drop this. It’s NOT one centimeter. It literally isn’t. You’re arguing a literal lie.In the panel all we see is Yuji placing his hands right next to Sukuna's face, not much there in terms of contradicting the distance.
It’s actually implied to be Choso on Yuji’s body. He clapped his hands, converged the blood and chanted “Piercing Blood”. It’s literally in the scan.What gest and chants did Yuji do in the scene?
Not really my burden to prove it. You said that Piercing Blood is faster by characters that are more skilled. Sukuna used Piercing Water on Gojo and the sonic boom it produced is literally one of the smallest in the series (Mach 1.32). All Piercing Bloods that produced sonic booms are literally in the same ballpark. They are almost as fast as each other.It's your burden to prove this; you're arguing that we should be able to dismiss things which happen on panel because it's concretely contradicted in a way which cannot be remedied via other things, so your claim is contingent on piercing blood capping at supersonic speeds and never going above that and yet your only evidence is a statement of far weaker characters using a technique at a supersonic speed. Your evidence doesn't fulfil your requirements of proof, since my interpretation doesn't require ignoring parts of the series as 'outliers' to make sense.
”Why do we need proof that this specific attack got faster? Can’t we just headcanon our way through it?”. Also, who are these “more impressive characters” that got tagged by it?Why do we need an exact statement of a things m/s speed to infer that it's now faster from it tagging far faster and more impressive characters? You're prescribing to me a burden of proof which isn't needed for my conclusion to be validated.
Stop assuming things I never said. Obviously Choso can stronger. He went from being weaker than Yuji in strength to briefly match Kenjaku (Who should be, at least, in the same ballpark). But you still has to prove PB got a speed enhancement. As of now, it’s just your headcanon.So? Choso was a foetus for those 150 years also, just because someone's lived for a long time that means they can't get stronger? You're saying I'm the one making headcanon?
We have multiple calculations proving that PB reaches speeds from Mach 1.10 to 1.30, consistently. While it’s not the same, it’s definitely in the same ballpark.Can someone please tell me where the evidence is that PB is the same speed everytime it is used? All the translations I have seen is that it exceeds the speed of sound, but that can be true without us assuming it has a set speed beyond that, so there must be some kind of evidence for it right??
Nobody cares about the ratio of kiIf we see Roshi use kamehameha and damage / tag characters FAR stronger and faster than characters Goku is capable of damaging and hitting with kamehameha, do you agree then it's reasonable to say Roshi > Goku in the technique even if we aren't directly told the ratio of ki they put into the technique? If so, you agree with what I'm literally saying.
So Choso's the one who really did this damn piercing blood. Why would this be any different than thatChoso helped Yuji with his PB against Sukuna so this doesn't have any relevance,
Nobody cares about this at allalthough I will say Yuji struggling with convergence has no barring on the degree to which he can amp himself and his CT with CE.
The entire point of what I said is that it's extremely close to Sukuna's face (borderline touching) and so it's not inconsistent or contradictory, I even acknowledged in my post it going be higher or lower than 1 cm, I'm not being precisely accurate here I'm providing explanations for what you're saying is a contradiction.Please drop this. It’s NOT one centimeter. It literally isn’t. You’re arguing a literal lie.
A character screaming the techniques name as he fires it isn't the same thing as them performing gestures and chants for a character to aim dodge it.It’s actually implied to be Choso on Yuji’s body. He clapped his hands, converged the blood and chanted “Piercing Blood”. It’s literally in the scan.
Why?All Piercing Bloods that produced sonic booms are literally in the same ballpark. They are almost as fast as each other.
They hit faster characters, if you're not going to engage with that then idk what to tell you.You still cannot prove that PB used by more skilled characters is faster.
So if Choso can get stronger, why can't his PB?Stop assuming things I never said. Obviously Choso can stronger. He went from being weaker than Yuji in strength to briefly match Kenjaku (Who should be, at least, in the same ballpark). But you still has to prove PB got a speed enhancement. As of now, it’s just your headcanon.
So piercing blood can vary in speed? Damn, almost as if it's not stagnant...We have multiple calculations proving that PB reaches speeds from Mach 1.10 to 1.30, consistently. While it’s not the same, it’s definitely in the same ballpark.
I agree with this, PB can have a base level speed of supersonic and then get faster from there - similarly to how you formatted your ki ratio argument.I'm saying each technique has a base level of effort that fodder or God tiers can utilize, but there's still a base level, and you need to surpass that base level
Conveniently I made an argument already addressing this but you just responded with:Yuji could barely surpass the base level. So Choso's the one who really did this damn piercing blood. Why would this be any different than that
Nobody cares about this at all
So you're using calculations of other PB's to say this one is the same speed, also can you link those calculations? I want to see if they all get the PB speed the same or if they just further prove that the speed can vary.We have multiple calculations proving that PB reaches speeds from Mach 1.10 to 1.30, consistently. While it’s not the same, it’s definitely in the same ballpark.
This isn't relevant, if it turns out the assumption of all PBs being at a stagnate speed at their fastest is baseless, then we can't use that assumption to cap certain speed feats involving PBs.We also have no evidence that PB surpassed Supersonic speeds.
Talking is a free actionA character screaming the techniques name as he fires it isn't the same thing as them performing gestures and chants for a character to aim dodge it.
Fan book does states PB speed increasing with compression. There is no fixed speed for that. It's baseline speed is stated to be Supersonic.We also have no evidence that PB surpassed Supersonic speeds.