3 Finger Sukuna got NUKED to just slightly above Nue level, aka 8b+ (?) I think, like city block level+. 15 Finger Sukuna himself is only 8-A
Only up to Shibuya. Since no one wants to help it'll take some time to finish everything.
...which was fired right in his face
This is why I think Jogo is so underrated even though many fans will try to dismiss this statement
This doesn't mean Jogo and Mahito scale to him physically. Everything isn't about physicals. They will stay those tiers. M3x already went over their ap actually recently in a crt same as others so any 8-B and 8-A you see will most likely be staying as is
IIRC this is cap. He said there is a possibility he could have some trouble, but knowing what we know, he'd slam
I know right? if I was a weaker man I would've bing bang boomed my brains out ages ago reading this thread.
It's an off guard attack on Sukuna literally cm away from his face alongside it barely scrapping him, whilst Sukuna is literally holding back to match their level like what he's been doing the entire fight (meaning it doesn't scale to him in speed necessarily at all), but also if we wanna be particular simply landing BF isn't the same thing as Gojo saying he can land punches in that time frame at will meaning you can't backscale current severely weakened Sukuna to Gojo from just "he landed black flashes".
For someone who was supposedly reacting at one microsecond this means literally nothing.
PB = 343 m/s = 34,300 cm/s
The evidence being superior feats later on when used by faster, stronger, more skilled characters. I don't know how you can call that headcanon; I wouldn't say we should upscale Raditz to Granolah simply because they are both struggling with the same technique in DB, do you think I'm committing headcanon by not saying that?
Cool imaginary scenario. A shame that this is not one centimeter.
Sorry but you have no idea of what you’re talking about. This is beyond your knowledge about powerscaling (cringe). This is about calculations. Piercing Blood could’ve been used by ******* Gojo at his peak and it would still be a Supersonic attack. Doesn’t matter how many times Choso got stronger, how fast his opponents were. You have no idea how to rate a “faster” Piercing Blood, how to use it for calculations and how to prove it got faster.
In the panel all we see is Yuji placing his hands right next to Sukuna's face, not much there in terms of contradicting the distance.
What gest and chants did Yuji do in the scene?
It's your burden to prove this; you're arguing that we should be able to dismiss things which happen on panel because it's concretely contradicted in a way which cannot be remedied via other things, so your claim is contingent on piercing blood capping at supersonic speeds and never going above that and yet your only evidence is a statement of far weaker characters using a technique at a supersonic speed. Your evidence doesn't fulfil your requirements of proof, meanwhile my interpretation doesn't require ignoring parts of the series as 'outliers' to make sense and is coherent within the series inverse scaling.
Why do we need an exact statement of a things m/s speed to infer that it's now faster from it tagging far faster and more impressive characters? You're prescribing to me a burden of proof which isn't needed for my conclusion to be validated.
So? Choso was a foetus for those 150 years
also, just because someone's lived for a long time that means they can't get stronger? You're saying I'm the one making headcanon?
this is... dogshit reasoning
If we see Roshi use kamehameha and damage / tag characters FAR stronger and faster than characters Goku is capable of damaging and hitting with kamehameha, do you agree then it's reasonable to say Roshi > Goku in the technique even if we aren't directly told the ratio of ki they put into the technique? If so, you agree with what I'm literally saying.
Choso helped Yuji with his PB against Sukuna so this doesn't have any relevance, although I will say Yuji struggling with convergence has no barring on the degree to which he can amp himself and his CT with CE.
Please drop this. It’s NOT one centimeter. It literally isn’t. You’re arguing a literal lie.
It’s actually implied to be Choso on Yuji’s body. He clapped his hands, converged the blood and chanted “Piercing Blood”. It’s literally in the scan.
Not really my burden to prove it. You said that Piercing Blood is faster by characters that are more skilled. Sukuna used Piercing Water on Gojo and the sonic boom it produced is literally one of the smallest in the series (Mach 1.32). All Piercing Bloods that produced sonic booms are literally in the same ballpark. They are almost as fast as each other.
”Why do we need proof that this specific attack got faster? Can’t we just headcanon our way through it?”. Also, who are these “more impressive characters” that got tagged by it?
Stop assuming things I never said. Obviously Choso can stronger. He went from being weaker than Yuji in strength to briefly match Kenjaku (Who should be, at least, in the same ballpark). But you still has to prove PB got a speed enhancement. As of now, it’s just your headcanon.So? Choso was a foetus for those 150 years
We have multiple calculations proving that PB reaches speeds from Mach 1.10 to 1.30, consistently. While it’s not the same, it’s definitely in the same ballpark.
Nobody cares about the ratio of ki
So Choso's the one who really did this damn piercing blood. Why would this be any different than that
Nobody cares about this at all
The entire point of what I said is that it's extremely close to Sukuna's face (borderline touching) and so it's not inconsistent or contradictory, I even acknowledged in my post it going be higher or lower than 1 cm, I'm not being precisely accurate here I'm providing explanations for what you're saying is a contradiction.
A character screaming the techniques name as he fires it isn't the same thing as them performing gestures and chants for a character to aim dodge it.
Why?
They hit faster characters, if you're not going to engage with that then idk what to tell you.
So if Choso can get stronger, why can't his PB?
So piercing blood can vary in speed? Damn, almost as if it's not stagnant...
I agree with this, PB can have a base level speed of supersonic and then get faster from there - similarly to how you formatted your ki ratio argument.
Conveniently I made an argument already addressing this but you just responded with:
So you're using calculations of other PB's to say this one is the same speed, also can you link those calculations? I want to see if they all get the PB speed the same or if they just further prove that the speed can vary.
This isn't relevant, if it turns out the assumption of all PBs being at a stagnate speed at their fastest is baseless, then we can't use that assumption to cap certain speed feats involving PBs.
Talking is a free action
Fan book does states PB speed increasing with compression. There is no fixed speed for that. It's baseline speed is stated to be Supersonic.
Then your point is meaningless. The fact that it’s higher than 1cm makes it completely false. Look at the length of the PB when it hits Sukuna. That shit had a duckton of centimeters before it hit his face. It’s much higher than the Black Flash timeframe, so it doesn’t make any sense.
Either way, Yuji (Choso) still gestured and chanted it. It was not off-guard.
Because I ******* calced it?
It never did.
No correlation. Choso is getting stronger. Doesn’t mean Convergence is amping his PB. It was never shown, stated or implied.
It’s almost like every single Piercing Blood ranges from 1.10 to 1.30 in Mach numbers!! Let me tell you a secret: It has never surpassed these numbers by a long margin to be even considered that big of an upgrade!!!!
I’m being generous with this one because there’s not a single proof that one hit Supersonic speeds. It never produced a sonic boom to begin with.
You’re arguing against an invisible enemy.
Can you send this statement? If true, then this just completely ruins their attempts to cap Sukuna at Shibuya Choso's PB speed lmfaooo
This means literally nothing.
Delusion at its finest. Acting like we didn’t know that for months now.
A margin of error makes a point meaningless? Instead of fixating on this point, just provide a way to measure it at least.
No proof of that so...
"I calced these instances of PB to be x speed, therefore ALL PB are x speed" - can you not see how this a hasty generalisation? Especially considering you've already conceded that PB has a VARYING speed from feat to feat?
I never said Choso getting stronger makes PB get stronger, I'm asking YOU to prove PB CAN'T get stronger. Completely different claim.
"yes it ranges in speed, but it's hasn't yet ranged enough to be as fast as these feats suggest therefore it can't!" - once again another hasty generalisation. Your entire position here is purely fallacious.
Easy; if an attack hits a MHS+ then it's fast enough to be relevant for those tiers in that specific instance (given there's no explicit anti-feats). It's literally that simple, this shit has been the cornerstone for inverse scaling since this communities conception lmfao, saying we should just dismiss inverse feats unless we have stated confirmation that a technique is on their level is insanely obtuse.
Then you'd agree that PB can be amplified in speed, therefore saying it STAGNATES in speed is wrong. You're simply just wrong
