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"Sukuna beats Gojo with his own CT"
"how?"
"HE JUST DOES!"
yea you're a lost cause, continue coping atp
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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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"how?"
"HE JUST DOES!"
yea you're a lost cause, continue coping atp
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You're stretching it.
"※ I’d like to note that Miguel doesn’t explicitly use a term here for racial discrimination. He’s talking about stereotyping. He says “レッテル貼り” (labeling) and “差別” (discrimination or distinction), and I think if he wanted to be more specific that it’s racial discrimination he would have used “人種差別”(jinshu sabetsu)." from a person who knows Jap.
Secondly, that's prejudice. NOT racism. Asian people tend to have misconceptions like this in Japan from what I know, and Gege kinda points it out in the chapter as well. Anyways stop bringing up that part. It isn't even relevant to the discussion about stats, power, etc.
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no we just talking about the fact that Sukuna has techniques that he has hidden for the purpose of the fact that they're useless unbeknownst to Gojo. What was revealed to us, was Heian true form.
Then there's fire arrow which Kusakabe talked about Sukuna not unleashing it for some reason.
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I just want to point out that Guac will happily dismiss Gojo's statements about black flash as "just Gojo's opinion" but now when it comes to downplaying Gojo to sub-Ryu tier all of a sudden Gojo speculating on if he could beat Sukuna or not must mean Gojo would 100% lose because "well he's very intelligent!"
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Ryu sucks. gets one tapped and casually blitzed when sukuna puts in more effort than he did.
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Honestly Gojo was just praising a rival, likely swept up in his defeat he viewed Sukuna as a greater sorcerer than he is compared to himself. Gege just let the Sukucock get to his head
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both were being humble and praising each other anyways in ch236. though gojo could also be saying this because he might have thought that sukuna could use WS all along or something. although transformation and fire arrow holds more credibility than this.
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Well to me it felt like Gojo heard the explanation (he wasn't fully dead) and Sukuna also saw Gojo's moment with Geto and others just like with Jogo
So Gojo was saying I gave my all and wanted to make that reach Sukuna that I can understand his loneliness, Sukuna replied to that in the end by "you were magnificent I will not forget you" which made Gojo smile
And after that against Kashimo, Sukuna was talking about Gojo as if he really heard his convo with Geto, because throughout the fight Gojo didn't talk about loneliness
Edit: it's just how I viewed it (my headcanon)
So Gojo was saying I gave my all and wanted to make that reach Sukuna that I can understand his loneliness, Sukuna replied to that in the end by "you were magnificent I will not forget you" which made Gojo smile
And after that against Kashimo, Sukuna was talking about Gojo as if he really heard his convo with Geto, because throughout the fight Gojo didn't talk about loneliness
Edit: it's just how I viewed it (my headcanon)
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So unserious
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What’s crazier is the reason Kusakabe thinks the arrow is impressive is it’s capable of exorcizing Jogo in one shot, so current Kusakabe isn’t capable of doing the same
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Certainly an interpretation.
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I mean yeah, but he literally sees Sukuna use other Shikigami CT. and then sees Mahoraga use Sukuna's slash, with expanded target. Which is Sukuna's own slash. So like, can you really say he held back there when Sukuna copied it?Kusakabe: What’s frightening is he hasn’t used that fire arrow from Shibuya!
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He only heard it after the chat in his innate domain(?). and no sukuna didn't see it. otherwise he would have been in it.
Nah he didn't really talk like that.
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That’s mostly what Greg meant with that statement.
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That is literally what he said EXPLICITLY
He said that considering it could exorcise Jogo in one shot, they’d be burnt to a crisp too (Kusakabe and Higuruma)
I maintain Jogo is underrated as ****, still. The disaster curses in general, might as well mention. People are acting like Jogo would just get blitzed by current Kusakabe and Ino, like he’s not still relevant.
Like Domain Dagon wouldn’t be of any problem to current Sukuna, like he’d no sell the stream of shikigami in the state he’s in rn
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That doesn’t mean Jogo can beat Kusakabe now lmao, that means the arrow is just strong enough to kill Jogo
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Wouldn’t simple domain neutralize Jogo’s flames?
I think Kusakabe would be able to last a long time at the very least.
I think Kusakabe would be able to last a long time at the very least.
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Dork gets blitzed and destroyed by slashes that can harm Sukuna.
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"だがこれは今は使えないと勝手に結論づけちまおう火山頭の特級呪霊を祓えるほどの火力どうせ使われたらもう対応できねー考えるだけ無駄"
"However, let's arbitrarily conclude that this cannot be used for now. It's futile to even think about it. The firepower needed to exorcise a top-class cursed spirit with a volcanic head is not something that can be used anyway, so there's no point in considering it."
I genuinely don't know where you got this scan from tbh, but Kusakabe never makes the inference that Jogo's durability is higher than theirs. Furthermore, Kusakabe has very limited knowledge on Jogo; all he knows about him is that he's a high tier special grade curse spirit ("top-class") and that he can release attacks such as Maximum Meteor - which is significant enough to harm even 15F Sukuna. So obviously Kusakabe's statement here is skewed in Jogo's favour, but we also have direct confirmation that from other sources that Jogo is effectively a glass canon with close to no durability scaling (unless you think GWE Todo can severely damage current Sukuna lmfao).
Why would Dagon be a problem?
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Where’s the “haha” reaction emote when you need it the most
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No really look at this. Doesn’t make any sense. At all.
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So you think Jogo could react to the simple domain amped slashes? Stop it. Lets just accept Sukuna met the strongest first grade and had no counter!
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It's not semantics; Guac is using the very specific wording of "considering it has enough power to kill Jogo, we'd be toast" to infer that Kusakabe < Jogo, however such meaning isn't present in the text at all as Kusakabe is simply saying the attack is concerning due to how casually it can kill special grades such as Jogo - meaning even if Kusakabe > Jogo it'll still make sense for Kusakabe to be worrisome.
Also, the majority of my response was providing reasonings for why Kusakabe's judgement here may not be an objective assessment of Jogo's durability.
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He tanked Red!
You guys will stop the Jogoat Kusakagoat downplay they solo 98% of the verse mid diff
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Your translations are consistently unreliable, and there's two translations which say the same thing
Yep, your translation was severely flawed and so was your text extraction, as usual.
Yep, it's saying if he used the flames which were capable of exorcizing Jogo, it'd be pointless to think about it, because they wouldn't be able to counter it. Both the Werry and the TCB version echo this sentiment, unlike the motivated reasoner's translation.
Of course the debater speak for no reason. Kusakabe is just 2034081841027310124973217419087432x stronger and faster than Jogo now. He became stronger than Nanami in AP and faster than Naobito for sure
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He's having fun by relishing in the combat and not going all out.
What's your basis for saying this?
As I explained twice, that doesn't infer Jogo > Kusakabe in durability, nice try tho!
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Sukuna already knows he’s the strongest, he has no reason to flex and destroy his entertainment like that. He consciously likes holding back his abilities to fight the best a sorcerer can show him. This is why when he fights Higuruma, he waits and lets him try rct, this is why he lets Kusakabe try everything he’s got, why he actively went the riskier route in his fight with Gojo. The man is just having fun in his second life and wants a challenge the best way he can.
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It literally just does mean that Jogo holds relevance.
If I'm in a race thinking about how someone else would beat me in a race, I wouldn't be like "damn, that guy is super fast, he's capable of beating a 4th grader in a race! I'd I'd lose really badly in a race to that!"
You don't bring up stuff like that without relevance. It's clearly saying that part of the reason the flames are so impressive IS that they're able to one shot Jogo...
It's legit just like the Ryu example, where the Werry, TCB, and my own expert translator both agreed that it was saying Ryu > Current Yuta in durability, and you're still like
"ACTUALLY, Chat GPT is a huge database, there's no way my chat GPT translation is wrong while theirs are right!?!?" So dishonest, it's crazy.
Powerscaling in JJK is consistently just very grounded, which is why Kusakabe brings up exorcizing Jogo, and why Sukuna brings up Ryu's durability when comparing it to current Yuta. The powercliffing in JJK isn't like that. If the disaster curses were in the current day as they were in the past, they'd be more useful than someone like Kusakabe or Ino, and they'd be running up on Sukuna, dealing minor damage like a lot of people are doing.
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Notice how this isn't at all relevant to any of my arguments? I find it funny how Guac constantly jumps into debate topics just badmouthing me and refuses to listen to me, at this point it's just borderline toxic and you should just stop.
Yes, but Jogo holding relevance isn't the same thing as Jogo being ABOVE Kusakabe in durability or that Jogo would beat Kusakabe and make 20F Sukuna struggle in combat, which is what you claimed initially. This is a classic motte and bailey fallacy; you posit this obviously absurd claim and then when given pushback you retreat to this more reasonable claim whilst misconstruing the other person as attacking the more reasonable claim - stop being dishonest.
Furthermore, Kusakabe believes Jogo to be relevant, yes, because as I've explained Kusakabe has an exaggerated idea of Jogo's power.
wtf are you on about? No one's talking about chatgpt. Whenever I get into translation disputes I always say we can break down the phrasing and discuss where the meaning is being extracted from to see if it's founded, I have never made these broad appeals to authority (unlike you) as the basis for my conclusions.
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what's up with this smearing constantly. chill out with it if ur gonna tackle someone's argument.
anyways yall can analyze context right? Kusakabe has no way of telling Jogo's actual durability, and the only inference he has, is the maximum meteor that he saw, and Sukuna having (despite not seeing it) killed Jogo with the fire arrow. Which wouldn't have any bearing on Jogo's actual stats.
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he does it constantly, even if I make a thread on here he's joined it in the past just to say "don't listen to this motivated reasoner, he believes x and y" where he pivots to topics irrelevant to the thread to just try discredit me, and now he's even made a copy-pasta of lies about me to spam that. Genuinely might just report the guy for toxicity and harassment atp
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No? He's literally had a month to prep, he should know and be informed on Jogo's power. Even if he didn't, he's been there to sense Jogo directly, so it makes sense that he understands Jogo's power.
Also, I maintain Jogo would beat current Kusakabe and deal damage to the current weakened Sukuna, I'm not changing any positions.
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Why would he be "informed" on Jogo's power when he's training to fight Sukuna?
How do you think "sensing" works in JJK? Besides Gojo, there's never been an instance where a person can sense another's exact individual stats, CE output, and CT, hence why binding vows involving the reveal of these things are so significant and why characters characters have to discover such facts during combat. Kusakabe only saw his maximum meteor, that's his basis.
Then defend that instead of retelling a more tame position and acting as though that's what I'm challenging.
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It's not because what I held from the start is that Jogo would for example beat Kusakabe, AKA he would hold relevance.
"Hey we're trying to beat Sukuna"
"Ok, so how does Sukuna fight, or what does he do"
"He's used this fire arrow before, super powerful"
"Oh, interesting. I don't actually care how powerful that is though, just give me a basic rundown because it's not relevant."
Jogo could one shot Kusakabe with the maximum meteor itself
