Guacamolefletcher
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Non held back domain / whatever Gojo was referring to
Sukuna with his Heian era body is just basically curb stomping Gojo
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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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Sukuna with his Heian era body is just basically curb stomping Gojo
Guacamolefletcher
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Did you read the manga? He makes a racist statement in which he implies that the physiques and muscles of people from Africa + cursed energy reinforcement are far better than sorcerers in Japan, where such physiques and muscles are extremely rare. Aka their combat is based upon CE reinforcement and the base of muscle / physique
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Yes for incantations and hand signs. Which are useless to doing anything against Gojo. please use something better. if it is the 4 arms argument then cool. Unfortunately he gets dogged by gojo in skill. and Gojo had a 3vs1 fight where Agito and Maho kept ganging up on him, with his infinity for the most of the time if not almost all of the time, kept down due to their coordination, with Sukuna especially sneaking around. 4 arms against gojo does little to help.
One that is trash. 15F Nue has a much much better lightning than mid Kamutoke
what will that tool do against gojo when he can't even use it with DA on? And he can't interact with gojo without DA on. the ct in the tool will be disabled if he uses DA 
so trash. and the other one is unknown with nothing about it. please stop using unknown tools. what he held back was true form, like it was stated. but we know that's practically useless against gojo. is that it?
oh right, i remember now. fire arrow. that's also trash when gojo's infinity prevents it from hitting him. and gojo can also easily sense the ce spark coming, and quickly stop Sukuna from using it. Or simply just dodge... Or use red and disrupt it. Or teleport away. Even if used in domain, where gojo's infinity was down, which Sukuna very pointedly did not use it despite the fact that it belongs to his own CT. It wouldn't even one shot gojo, let alone incapacitate him. All it would do is cause second degree burns at best
so useless. if u think otherwise then welcome to gojo taking on Malevolent shrine full onslaught from cleave and dismantle.
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"I have no clue how it would work, just whatever Gojo was referring to, Sukuna stomps Gojo"
Lol
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and Miguel said he was wrong, we using racist stereotypes to upscale your favs now???
Guacamolefletcher
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The implication of your arguments is just Gojo is dumb as hell then, which doesn’t make sensestated. but we know that's practically useless against gojo. is that it?
oh right, i remember now. fire arrow. that's also trash when gojo's infinity prevents it from hitting him. and gojo can also easily sense the ce spark coming, and quickly stop Sukuna from using it. Or simply just dodge... Or use red and disrupt it. Or teleport away. Even if used in domain, where gojo's infinity was down, which Sukuna very pointedly did not use it despite the fact that it belongs to his own CT. It wouldn't even one shot gojo, let alone incapacitate him. All it would do is cause second degree burns at best
It’s clear that the limitless 6 eyes user understands Sukuna’s power well
Guacamolefletcher
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Miguel said he was wrong because he was generalizing african people, that was the racist part…
The part about your muscle quality affecting your stats was never stated to be wrong. + why would Gojo be wrong about that?
Also this shows more of your sophist dishonesty, where you’ve hurled a racist accusation my way when I’m just paraphrasing what he said, never once agreeing with the racist stereotype part, just pointing to the general idea that your muscles influence your stats
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Gojo says muscle mass and physique like the one Miguel has. Not like the one Sukuna has. They're mutually different. Secondly, the context of that isn't about pure physical stats there, it was about skill and how X body type plays a role in displaying those skills.
muscle mass doesn't mean anything in jjk. Yuji is physically strong but his muscle mass isn't anything impressive, there are people who have more than he does. Pretty sure his teacher had more than he does in his normal human school.
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"Sukuna beats Gojo with his own CT"
"how?"
"HE JUST DOES!"
yea you're a lost cause, continue coping atp
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You're stretching it.
"※ I’d like to note that Miguel doesn’t explicitly use a term here for racial discrimination. He’s talking about stereotyping. He says “レッテル貼り” (labeling) and “差別” (discrimination or distinction), and I think if he wanted to be more specific that it’s racial discrimination he would have used “人種差別”(jinshu sabetsu)." from a person who knows Jap.
Secondly, that's prejudice. NOT racism. Asian people tend to have misconceptions like this in Japan from what I know, and Gege kinda points it out in the chapter as well. Anyways stop bringing up that part. It isn't even relevant to the discussion about stats, power, etc.
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no we just talking about the fact that Sukuna has techniques that he has hidden for the purpose of the fact that they're useless unbeknownst to Gojo. What was revealed to us, was Heian true form.
Then there's fire arrow which Kusakabe talked about Sukuna not unleashing it for some reason.
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I just want to point out that Guac will happily dismiss Gojo's statements about black flash as "just Gojo's opinion" but now when it comes to downplaying Gojo to sub-Ryu tier all of a sudden Gojo speculating on if he could beat Sukuna or not must mean Gojo would 100% lose because "well he's very intelligent!"
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Ryu sucks. gets one tapped and casually blitzed when sukuna puts in more effort than he did.
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Honestly Gojo was just praising a rival, likely swept up in his defeat he viewed Sukuna as a greater sorcerer than he is compared to himself. Gege just let the Sukucock get to his head
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both were being humble and praising each other anyways in ch236. though gojo could also be saying this because he might have thought that sukuna could use WS all along or something. although transformation and fire arrow holds more credibility than this.
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Well to me it felt like Gojo heard the explanation (he wasn't fully dead) and Sukuna also saw Gojo's moment with Geto and others just like with Jogo
So Gojo was saying I gave my all and wanted to make that reach Sukuna that I can understand his loneliness, Sukuna replied to that in the end by "you were magnificent I will not forget you" which made Gojo smile
And after that against Kashimo, Sukuna was talking about Gojo as if he really heard his convo with Geto, because throughout the fight Gojo didn't talk about loneliness
Edit: it's just how I viewed it (my headcanon)
So Gojo was saying I gave my all and wanted to make that reach Sukuna that I can understand his loneliness, Sukuna replied to that in the end by "you were magnificent I will not forget you" which made Gojo smile
And after that against Kashimo, Sukuna was talking about Gojo as if he really heard his convo with Geto, because throughout the fight Gojo didn't talk about loneliness
Edit: it's just how I viewed it (my headcanon)
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So unserious
Guacamolefletcher
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What’s crazier is the reason Kusakabe thinks the arrow is impressive is it’s capable of exorcizing Jogo in one shot, so current Kusakabe isn’t capable of doing the same
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Certainly an interpretation.
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I mean yeah, but he literally sees Sukuna use other Shikigami CT. and then sees Mahoraga use Sukuna's slash, with expanded target. Which is Sukuna's own slash. So like, can you really say he held back there when Sukuna copied it?Kusakabe: What’s frightening is he hasn’t used that fire arrow from Shibuya!
World Slash:
He only heard it after the chat in his innate domain(?). and no sukuna didn't see it. otherwise he would have been in it.
Nah he didn't really talk like that.
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That’s mostly what Greg meant with that statement.
Guacamolefletcher
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That is literally what he said EXPLICITLY
He said that considering it could exorcise Jogo in one shot, they’d be burnt to a crisp too (Kusakabe and Higuruma)
I maintain Jogo is underrated as ****, still. The disaster curses in general, might as well mention. People are acting like Jogo would just get blitzed by current Kusakabe and Ino, like he’s not still relevant.
Like Domain Dagon wouldn’t be of any problem to current Sukuna, like he’d no sell the stream of shikigami in the state he’s in rn
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That doesn’t mean Jogo can beat Kusakabe now lmao, that means the arrow is just strong enough to kill Jogo
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Wouldn’t simple domain neutralize Jogo’s flames?
I think Kusakabe would be able to last a long time at the very least.
I think Kusakabe would be able to last a long time at the very least.
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Dork gets blitzed and destroyed by slashes that can harm Sukuna.
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"だがこれは今は使えないと勝手に結論づけちまおう火山頭の特級呪霊を祓えるほどの火力どうせ使われたらもう対応できねー考えるだけ無駄"
"However, let's arbitrarily conclude that this cannot be used for now. It's futile to even think about it. The firepower needed to exorcise a top-class cursed spirit with a volcanic head is not something that can be used anyway, so there's no point in considering it."
I genuinely don't know where you got this scan from tbh, but Kusakabe never makes the inference that Jogo's durability is higher than theirs. Furthermore, Kusakabe has very limited knowledge on Jogo; all he knows about him is that he's a high tier special grade curse spirit ("top-class") and that he can release attacks such as Maximum Meteor - which is significant enough to harm even 15F Sukuna. So obviously Kusakabe's statement here is skewed in Jogo's favour, but we also have direct confirmation that from other sources that Jogo is effectively a glass canon with close to no durability scaling (unless you think GWE Todo can severely damage current Sukuna lmfao).
Why would Dagon be a problem?
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Where’s the “haha” reaction emote when you need it the most
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No really look at this. Doesn’t make any sense. At all.
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So you think Jogo could react to the simple domain amped slashes? Stop it. Lets just accept Sukuna met the strongest first grade and had no counter!
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It's not semantics; Guac is using the very specific wording of "considering it has enough power to kill Jogo, we'd be toast" to infer that Kusakabe < Jogo, however such meaning isn't present in the text at all as Kusakabe is simply saying the attack is concerning due to how casually it can kill special grades such as Jogo - meaning even if Kusakabe > Jogo it'll still make sense for Kusakabe to be worrisome.
Also, the majority of my response was providing reasonings for why Kusakabe's judgement here may not be an objective assessment of Jogo's durability.
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He tanked Red!
You guys will stop the Jogoat Kusakagoat downplay they solo 98% of the verse mid diff
Guacamolefletcher
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Your translations are consistently unreliable, and there's two translations which say the same thing
Yep, your translation was severely flawed and so was your text extraction, as usual.
Yep, it's saying if he used the flames which were capable of exorcizing Jogo, it'd be pointless to think about it, because they wouldn't be able to counter it. Both the Werry and the TCB version echo this sentiment, unlike the motivated reasoner's translation.
Of course the debater speak for no reason. Kusakabe is just 2034081841027310124973217419087432x stronger and faster than Jogo now. He became stronger than Nanami in AP and faster than Naobito for sure
