So you're using calculations of other PB's to say this one is the same speed, also can you link those calculations? I want to see if they all get the PB speed the same or if they just further prove that the speed can vary.
This isn't relevant, if it turns out the assumption of all PBs being at a stagnate speed at their fastest is baseless, then we can't use that assumption to cap certain speed feats involving PBs.
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Fan book does states PB speed increasing with compression. There is no fixed speed for that. It's baseline speed is stated to be Supersonic.
Then your point is meaningless. The fact that it’s higher than 1cm makes it completely false. Look at the length of the PB when it hits Sukuna. That shit had a duckton of centimeters before it hit his face. It’s much higher than the Black Flash timeframe, so it doesn’t make any sense.
Either way, Yuji (Choso) still gestured and chanted it. It was not off-guard.
Because I ******* calced it?
It never did.
No correlation. Choso is getting stronger. Doesn’t mean Convergence is amping his PB. It was never shown, stated or implied.
It’s almost like every single Piercing Blood ranges from 1.10 to 1.30 in Mach numbers!! Let me tell you a secret: It has never surpassed these numbers by a long margin to be even considered that big of an upgrade!!!!
I’m being generous with this one because there’s not a single proof that one hit Supersonic speeds. It never produced a sonic boom to begin with.
You’re arguing against an invisible enemy.
Can you send this statement? If true, then this just completely ruins their attempts to cap Sukuna at Shibuya Choso's PB speed lmfaooo
This means literally nothing.
Delusion at its finest. Acting like we didn’t know that for months now.
A margin of error makes a point meaningless? Instead of fixating on this point, just provide a way to measure it at least.
No proof of that so...
"I calced these instances of PB to be x speed, therefore ALL PB are x speed" - can you not see how this a hasty generalisation? Especially considering you've already conceded that PB has a VARYING speed from feat to feat?
I never said Choso getting stronger makes PB get stronger, I'm asking YOU to prove PB CAN'T get stronger. Completely different claim.
"yes it ranges in speed, but it's hasn't yet ranged enough to be as fast as these feats suggest therefore it can't!" - once again another hasty generalisation. Your entire position here is purely fallacious.
Easy; if an attack hits a MHS+ then it's fast enough to be relevant for those tiers in that specific instance (given there's no explicit anti-feats). It's literally that simple, this shit has been the cornerstone for inverse scaling since this communities conception lmfao, saying we should just dismiss inverse feats unless we have stated confirmation that a technique is on their level is insanely obtuse.
Then you'd agree that PB can be amplified in speed, therefore saying it STAGNATES in speed is wrong. You're simply just wrong
It means there is no fixed speed for that.
That's okay all I'm after is evidence that this PB is the same speed as the others.
It's not about me granting it a certain speed, it's about finding out why we're saying this PB is x speed baselessly so far.
It is, it's used as a refute against the main topic of where the evidence is for all PBs to be at stagnate speed, if it isn't then it was never relevant to bring up.
It does. It literally disproves your point. Means the timeframe is not comparable.
Brother he had TO GESTURE THE PIERCING BLOOD. All Piercing Blood works like that. How the **** is that panel not a proof? Yuji literally HAD TO CLAP HIS HANDS. What the ****?
What are the reasons we have to believe that any of the not calculated PB have a higher or lower speeds than the one I calced? It’s not generalizing it, I calculated every stance of PB to be Mach 1.10 to 1.30. Why should I believe the others are faster or slower? Why should they be? I have proof that PB constantly hit these speeds and don’t surpass it by a huge margin, maintaining the canonical Supersonic speeds.
I mean, PB can get stronger, it’s just not in the wankable way you think it is.
This is a very idiotic argument.
Dude WHAT THE **** was this comment. Yeah, I know that PB would get a speed upgrade if it hit a character faster than Supersonic. But it never did. I’m asking for characters that got hit by PB but are canonically faster than Supersonic (no ******* one)
I swear to God that I’d be calling you names if I could. You can get tf out if you’re gonna ignore my comments. “Stagnates” my ass. I’m literally saying that PB ranges in speed. It literally does. I PROVED it did. I mathematically proved it did.Then you'd agree that PB can be amplified in speed, therefore saying it STAGNATES in speed is wrong. You're simply just wrong
I actually don’t think this PB is useful at all because we don’t know its speed. We know that it should be, at least, Supersonic. But the exact Mach number? I don’t know. It never produced a Mach cone. Or we haven’t seen it.
”It is” it is what brother. What are you even arguing for here? I’ve told you PB varies in speed but it never surpassed Supersonic speeds. What are you even discussing here.
PREACH.
Sure. If you read the comments you’d know I’m not denying that.
I'm fine with saying for the sake of calcs we should stick to mach 1.1 unless given an explicit statement, I'm more so referencing how PB shouldn't be used to post hoc have like 50,000+ feats in the series get removed as 'outliers'.
Clapping hands together != Sukuna expecting Yuji to use a CT he's never seen or known Yuji to possess
This shifting of the burden of proof is getting tedious and idk how you can't comprehend this simple point. Saying something CAN'T be the case is different from asking why something is the case, you're saying it CAN'T be the case so you have to prove that. If this convo started with me saying "PB is x speed" I'd understand your response more, but it started with you saying it CAN'T be faster and then demanding I need to prove it is faster to demonstrate otherwise
What suggests there's a limit inverse?
Yet you're the one committing to fallacious reasoning, such as saying "x thing being mach 1.3 in this instance makes it mach 1.3 in all instances"
So you agree PB can be so fast IF it hit faster characters? So it can't be used as an anti-feat to dismiss stuff as outliers? Which is what I've been saying the entire time? Nice concession.
Funny you say this yet just concede I'm right, GG tho good effort.
Nah, you’re just a door. Cannot read my comments properly. I never said PB has a stagnated speed. It does vary. But it does not go beyond Supersonic, as mathematically proved countless of time.
I can’t with this guy. Dude was arguing based on something he invented.
Like look at this Gin, dude was NOT keeping up with the discussion.
And you couldn't prove that PB has a limit like that, you're just saying it hasn't yet (which is fine) but that doesn't mean it CAN'T, which is the only thing I was contending. You're conflating something not doing something with something being unable to do something.
you came into this discussion already heated saying something can't be the case, I asked why, things divulged, and now you're saying it can be the case it just hasn't been the case yet whilst trying to insult me after the fact. I get you're malding and shit, but genuinely log off and go chill, you're being incredibly irrational with this cope.
Whatever fits your narrative. Not entertaining you anymore.
Much times indeed
I mean one is a CT he has already seen a number of times (213 and his heian era fight with angel and her clan) and the other one is a direct spit in the face of Jujutsu as a whole.
Can you prove that their reinforcement is Yuji vs Choso fight level please. ty.
? If that's just one of the reasons then that's funny, given the volume release says it is faster than sound upon being released by Shibuya Choso.
so their reinforcement got extremely trash is what you say."The initial velocity of the blood, enhanced by cursed energy, surpasses even the speed of sound." -> You compress the blood, which already has its own velocity, and furthermore you can further compress it depending on your efficency, which is what Yuji sucks at. -> Enchancing it with your CE amps it further. This is seperate from compressing your blood. Anybody can reinforce the blood. Which then leaves it up to how good your ce output is. or ce control. same thing really in a way.
One more thing. Sukuna's face says it all; he didn't care a bit. The most dishonest thing is ignoring Gojo's statement, 'I can do it at will if it was that simple.' Like, bruh, you don't need to spoon-feed this. I don't care if others get MHS speed ratings or not, but no damage full-power Sukuna and Gojo should.
Agreed, I'm also not entirely sure if anyone else should get MHS but Gojo outright spells it out for us that he is on that level of speed.
