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JoJo Revisions Part 3

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  • Giorno being able to do Media:Va_color_v08_069.jpg/Body Control
    • GER should have Time Manip due to reversing time
  • Bruno should have Deconstruction, and Matter Manipulation as when he separates something and makes it moldable it is still as concrete as it was before.
  • Heaven DIO should have Biological Manip, Technological Manip, resistance to mind manip (here and here) and power null
  • Kira should have Limited Acausality (Type 1) due to keeping his memories only in the activation of BtD, meaning when he killed Hayato and what he was aiming to do in the end of DiU
  • Pucci should have Enhanced Senses via Joestar-Senses, also Animal Manipulation & Biological Manipulation for White Snake via this
  • Josuke should have a Berserk Mode
  • Jolyne Cujoh should have Immortality Type 2 via this
  • Johnny and Gyro should not have their Resistance to Probability Manipulation as Valentine's wall doesn't warp probability on others, it just takes bad luck away via spatial manip, which is what their rotation breaks
  • Small list of weird things Diavolo should have
    • Enhanced Senses: Detected Risotto and Pol spying on him meters away, from behind, and whle being Doppio. Could tell that Bruno was a corpse (not very impressive, but still remarked as illogic by Doppio due to Bruno being able to move and "see")
    • Extrasensory Perception: Could sense her daughter still being alive, and knew that he and her had a similar scent of their souls.
    • Limited Soul Manipulation: Gave Doppio the scent of his soul.
    • Limited Resistance to Soul Manipulation: When CR soul-switched everyone Diavolo as a soul took advantage of that and decided to move into another body, process he likely shouldn't be able to do on his own.
    • Limited Possession: Can take over the soul of the body he inhabits, violently taking over Doppio after brief seconds when deciding to do so and directly possessing Trish by manually controlling her Stand. Giorno speculates that the Boss having a double personality could justify his ability to possess a target.
    • BS Intelligence feats to add in that stat: Could discover that Bruno only sees the souls of others with little info about it. Could discover how SCR's weakness works by pretty much making up rules about it.
Other minor changes here and here
 
GER didn't revert time. He reverted to 0 the actions taken in time erasure and/or the time erasure itself. This is also shown by Diavolo remembering what happened and being 100% conscious during the reversal, something that typical time reversal wouldn't do. Diavolo is the only one remembering this because it happened in time erasure, obviously, so the others not remembering GER's reversal doesn't support it being timehax.

Isn't Deconstruction just a really particular way of applying Matter Manip? The former is redundant imo, but otherwise fine

Jolyne's seems fine even though I feel a bit iffy about it. If you damage the string, you can damage her real body which would still kill her.

Everything else is fine
 
Exactly, it moved/reverted time to 0, thus manipulating time in the form of reversing it.

The can use both and when using one he may not be using the other (open things & warping things that were solid).

That's just the Immortality having its limits, in this case needing to be used with her powers and her not having it without it.
 
That's like saying that GER would also have, in an hypothetical scenario, Water Manipulation for reverting to 0 rain because the raindrops are reverted to clouds. GER being able to revert time based abilities doesn't mean he has time manipulation.

The elephant in the room, though, is that in King Crimson's erased time, time is, well, erased. There's no time in King Crimson's world, so GER couldn't have reverted back time if it didn't exist.

That's not really the problem. The problem is that if you harm or sever the strings, she's still going to suffer injuries, lose blood and potentially die. That's not limited type 2, it's just Logia intangibility.
 
Time is an action, so yes. And there is a difference with that example, GER just so happen to be doing something with a concept, not a tangible thing we can all assume it will affect.

It did. ..that much is the answer. Time was no longer erased and GER's Return to Zero was still going, thus still returing time back.

Wasn't it shown that Jolyle takes damage by detaching enough strings from her? We have no Logia Intangibility.
 
The fact that GER is able to revert time to 0 is a feat that shows how strong his return to 0 is, not an ability on its own. GER wouldn't be able to revert time normally, he just reverted a time manipulation ability.

Except that Diavolo explicitly screams "No one should be able to move in King Crimson's erased time" during the return to 0.

Well, then it's even worse than that. Still, it's not type 2, as damaging the strings would kill her regardless.
 
Yes it is. GER doesn't just turn back a target and what they are doing, hence not only Diavolo but everyone end up affected by its power after the time erased back returned to 0 (in this case just Mista). Again, GER turns back actions with time being one of them. If GER's ability is so strong it affected time erase then why wouldn't it always affect time?

That was after saying "The erased time is reversing!? This is Requiem!?" and "Even after time resumes in a few seconds... ".

Going on it better, it's Transformation.
 
GER used his powers to revert to 0 time manipulation. That's it. It's not Time Manipulation, it's just Causality Manipulation on a time based ability.

Except that he says literally half a second later: "N-No! Everything's going back to normal!". In other words, he literally corrected himself about his previous statement: The erased time isn't reversing, Requiem is just "turning back to normal" or "0".

Yeah, that's fine.
 
I'm not talking about what it did to that time manipulation, everything was still being reverted after it did that. GER reverted the time erase to where it started but everyone and everything was still being reverted for the brief moment GER's abiity was still going, in this case Mista as that's what we see.
 
@TP Yes there is. Its range with that affects time, why would GER no longer be affecting the action of time and just the individual actions of others? That would be inconsistent for no reason.

@KnightOfSunlight Please read the arguments above.
 
Thing is, stands in JoJo only have one ability. Even when we consider a stand having different abilities, they're almost always the same power simply applied in a different way. Even GER, despite its brokenness, follows this rule, with the ability to "return to 0" the actions and will of the attacker.

But Time Manipulation, he's not reverting to 0 actions or will, but time, so it contradicts the official description. What he did was to revert to 0 the time erasure. Even if he went a bit before the start of the erasure, that can be explained by GER reverting the actions of everyone in the area, which is still more supported by official description than time manipulation.

If you want it to get accepted, you should find some statement, maybe in an interview with Araki or something, that GER's powers can manipulate time even without having to return to 0 an action. But simply taking an event and trying to interprete it as time manipulation when everything implies it's just GER's normal return to 0, that's not something I'm going to accept.
 
Bump. Hey, so, the site where I was reading the manga lacks the last 2 chapters, can somebody pass me a link of a page that has them?
 
Lmk what you think of the new fight. Its low key one of my favorites in a good while. I already have all the scans together, so I'm probably gonna make a Jobin profile since we actually have an explanation of how his powers work
 
I'm 2 chapters late so if it's the one there then idk, about the part in general the first thing that comes to my mind is "can we stop with the random explanations for things that we know?".

Also I want to make the profile of that dr who could deconstruct himself, he fits really well as a JoJo character and could be taken out of any other Part.
 
Nah dude, speed king works much differently then we thought. Its actually something like a diet Killer queen, but arguably better in some cases.

Mamazuku? Please do
 
I will personally add everything after having some admin approving it.
 
TriforcePower1 said:
Diavolo is the only one remembering this because it happened in time erasure, obviously, so the others not remembering GER's reversal doesn't support it being timehax.
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Mista actually fired his gun prior to time skip, if that effects anything.
 
Agree with OP, but

  • Pucci's enhanced senses should be limited since it only works on the Joestars
  • Jolyne's transformation is fine
  • Not quite sure on GER's time manip
 
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