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I think this is going to get really heated. But without further ado, the proposed revisions.
1. Add and clarify the difference between Yoshikage and Kosaku (BTD)
It's come to my attention in a few threads recently that people believe restricting Kira's Bites The Dust goes against wiki rules (that restricting characters abilities generally isnt allowed.)
While true, I think it's important we make the distinction on the profile within the notes section because, "Yoshikage Kira" has never had Bites the Dust, and all fights that include this specific form are acknowledging that he does not have this ability.
"Kosaku Kawajiri", on the other hand, has had Bites the Dust, and all fights that include this specific form are acknowledging that he has this ability.
So it'd probably be best just to include in his profile notes for the sake of consistency and so that we don't have people complaining that we're restricting abilities that:
"The Yoshikage Kira form does not have Bites the Dust. The Kosaku Kawajiri form does have Bites the Dust, please be mindful when specifying which form is used in versus threads."
Which should solve the problem when it comes to restricting BTD.
2. Changing Jonathan's Key
This one is quick and I don't think there'll be any objections.
Jonathan's key has him divided into two, Pre-Tarkus and Post-Tarkus. While not entirely incorrect, the fight with Tarkus wasn't the reason Jonathan got insanely strong, it's because Zeppeli used the Supreme Deep Pass Overdrive on him.
And Jonathan's strength jumped during the fight with Tarkus, not post or after the fight. So for the sake of clarification, I suggest we change it from and to:
Key: Pre-Tarkus | Post-Tarkus
Key: Pre-Deep Pass Overdrive | Post-Deep Pass Overdrive
Only because it makes more logical sense, and since we already have a paragraph on Deep Pass Overdrive on Zeppeli's profile so people can find out what made him so strong.
3. Clarifying and revising DIO's Regenerationn
Dio Brando's profile has him listed at High-Mid Regenerationn. While true, this only applies to Dio Brando, and does not clarify that DIO's Regenerationn had actually gotten weaker, as we've seen him explain to Hol Horse . Instead, we'd need a new feat of his Regenerationn, the best demonstration being when Star Platinum shattered his skull and sent him ragdolling away . This would likely qualify for Mid tier Regenerationn, defined as, "The ability to regenerate from decapitation or severe brain damage"
Furthermore, Awakened DIO/High DIO has actually had his Regenerationn brought back up to his Phantom Blood days, seeing as how he scratches his skull in and regenerates a few seconds later, which would probably qualify for High-Mid, coupled with the fact that he had the potential to regenerate even after The World was shattered, it's probably best to just clarify in his notes that:
"The DIO form in Stardust Crusaders does not carry over the High-Mid Regenerationn that his previous form has had and instead posseses Mid Regenerationn. The Awakened DIO form however, does possess High-Mid Regenerationn once more."
4. Downgrading Funny Valentine's 2-A durability
Hopefully this one doesn't get heated. Currently, Valentine's profile has his durability at:
"Multiverse level+ with Love Train (Love Train's ability makes it very difficult to harm let alone kill him. Any attack by normal means will be deflected elsewhere, and the wall itself is made out of an infinite number of dimensions.)"
This is incorrect and slightly misleading. Not just any attack, but any damage inflicted on Valentine is inflicted upon someone else in the form of misfortune, but it has only demonstrated it's reach within our universe, not any other universe as many people like to bring up in versus threads.
According to chapter 69 , D4C itself operates on parallel universe theory/many-worlds interpretatio , in which past present and future all exist with each other at the same time in the form of different universes, where you can be an old man in one, and a baby in a different one since not all universes are directly linked via time.
(Now keep in mind, 3-D = space, 4-D = space + time. This is about to get slightly confusing)
Since the wall is made out of an infinite number of universes, it does qualify for high 3-A durability, which means he has an infinite number of 3-D power in the form of his wall, functioning as his durability. He does not qualify for the 2-A he is currently at because that would require him demonstrating his durability to have an infinite number of 4-D universes within his wall. Since we know D4C operates on parallel universe theory, we know his universes that his wall only consists of space, not space-time continuums since according to parallel universe theory, past present and future all coexist in the form of different universes.
What's the difference and the distinction between the two?
If his wall was 3-A, it would mean that it's made up of infinite universes in which there are an infinite number of potential timelines, but it would only have an effect on any universes present, not it's future or past. This would be the baseline assumption if we were told his wall was made up of infinite universes.
If his wall was 2-A, then it would mean that it's not just made up of infinite universes, but every single state in time of every single universe, or rather, it would have an effect on any given universes past present and future. This has not been demonstrated. This is a step up from a baseline assumption. To assume it is 2-A when it is equally as likely (and more logical) to be 3-A is wrong.
This would of course mean Valentine gets his durability downgraded to Universe+, since the qualification is "Characters who have an infinite degree of 3-dimensional power."
5. Downgrading Johnny Joestar (AND GYRO) from 2-A to 3-A
If Valentine downgrade gets approved, then this automatically means Johnny is 3-A as well. His profile has him at 2-A because:
Multiverse level+ with the Infinite Rotation (Ignores and bypasses high-level, infinite dimensional barriers from D4C Love Train, comparable if not above Ball Breaker).
Since I've already discussed how Valentine's wall is 3-A, this feat would mean that Johnny only broke through 3-A durability, downgrading his attack potency and tier to 3-A, because the qualifications of 3-A is "Characters who have an infinite degree of 3-dimensional power" which is obviously demonstrated by Johnny.
I think this is going to get really heated. But without further ado, the proposed revisions.
1. Add and clarify the difference between Yoshikage and Kosaku (BTD)
It's come to my attention in a few threads recently that people believe restricting Kira's Bites The Dust goes against wiki rules (that restricting characters abilities generally isnt allowed.)
While true, I think it's important we make the distinction on the profile within the notes section because, "Yoshikage Kira" has never had Bites the Dust, and all fights that include this specific form are acknowledging that he does not have this ability.
"Kosaku Kawajiri", on the other hand, has had Bites the Dust, and all fights that include this specific form are acknowledging that he has this ability.
So it'd probably be best just to include in his profile notes for the sake of consistency and so that we don't have people complaining that we're restricting abilities that:
"The Yoshikage Kira form does not have Bites the Dust. The Kosaku Kawajiri form does have Bites the Dust, please be mindful when specifying which form is used in versus threads."
Which should solve the problem when it comes to restricting BTD.
2. Changing Jonathan's Key
This one is quick and I don't think there'll be any objections.
Jonathan's key has him divided into two, Pre-Tarkus and Post-Tarkus. While not entirely incorrect, the fight with Tarkus wasn't the reason Jonathan got insanely strong, it's because Zeppeli used the Supreme Deep Pass Overdrive on him.
And Jonathan's strength jumped during the fight with Tarkus, not post or after the fight. So for the sake of clarification, I suggest we change it from and to:
Key: Pre-Tarkus | Post-Tarkus
Key: Pre-Deep Pass Overdrive | Post-Deep Pass Overdrive
Only because it makes more logical sense, and since we already have a paragraph on Deep Pass Overdrive on Zeppeli's profile so people can find out what made him so strong.
3. Clarifying and revising DIO's Regenerationn
Dio Brando's profile has him listed at High-Mid Regenerationn. While true, this only applies to Dio Brando, and does not clarify that DIO's Regenerationn had actually gotten weaker, as we've seen him explain to Hol Horse . Instead, we'd need a new feat of his Regenerationn, the best demonstration being when Star Platinum shattered his skull and sent him ragdolling away . This would likely qualify for Mid tier Regenerationn, defined as, "The ability to regenerate from decapitation or severe brain damage"
Furthermore, Awakened DIO/High DIO has actually had his Regenerationn brought back up to his Phantom Blood days, seeing as how he scratches his skull in and regenerates a few seconds later, which would probably qualify for High-Mid, coupled with the fact that he had the potential to regenerate even after The World was shattered, it's probably best to just clarify in his notes that:
"The DIO form in Stardust Crusaders does not carry over the High-Mid Regenerationn that his previous form has had and instead posseses Mid Regenerationn. The Awakened DIO form however, does possess High-Mid Regenerationn once more."
4. Downgrading Funny Valentine's 2-A durability
Hopefully this one doesn't get heated. Currently, Valentine's profile has his durability at:
"Multiverse level+ with Love Train (Love Train's ability makes it very difficult to harm let alone kill him. Any attack by normal means will be deflected elsewhere, and the wall itself is made out of an infinite number of dimensions.)"
This is incorrect and slightly misleading. Not just any attack, but any damage inflicted on Valentine is inflicted upon someone else in the form of misfortune, but it has only demonstrated it's reach within our universe, not any other universe as many people like to bring up in versus threads.
According to chapter 69 , D4C itself operates on parallel universe theory/many-worlds interpretatio , in which past present and future all exist with each other at the same time in the form of different universes, where you can be an old man in one, and a baby in a different one since not all universes are directly linked via time.
(Now keep in mind, 3-D = space, 4-D = space + time. This is about to get slightly confusing)
Since the wall is made out of an infinite number of universes, it does qualify for high 3-A durability, which means he has an infinite number of 3-D power in the form of his wall, functioning as his durability. He does not qualify for the 2-A he is currently at because that would require him demonstrating his durability to have an infinite number of 4-D universes within his wall. Since we know D4C operates on parallel universe theory, we know his universes that his wall only consists of space, not space-time continuums since according to parallel universe theory, past present and future all coexist in the form of different universes.
What's the difference and the distinction between the two?
If his wall was 3-A, it would mean that it's made up of infinite universes in which there are an infinite number of potential timelines, but it would only have an effect on any universes present, not it's future or past. This would be the baseline assumption if we were told his wall was made up of infinite universes.
If his wall was 2-A, then it would mean that it's not just made up of infinite universes, but every single state in time of every single universe, or rather, it would have an effect on any given universes past present and future. This has not been demonstrated. This is a step up from a baseline assumption. To assume it is 2-A when it is equally as likely (and more logical) to be 3-A is wrong.
This would of course mean Valentine gets his durability downgraded to Universe+, since the qualification is "Characters who have an infinite degree of 3-dimensional power."
5. Downgrading Johnny Joestar (AND GYRO) from 2-A to 3-A
If Valentine downgrade gets approved, then this automatically means Johnny is 3-A as well. His profile has him at 2-A because:
Multiverse level+ with the Infinite Rotation (Ignores and bypasses high-level, infinite dimensional barriers from D4C Love Train, comparable if not above Ball Breaker).
Since I've already discussed how Valentine's wall is 3-A, this feat would mean that Johnny only broke through 3-A durability, downgrading his attack potency and tier to 3-A, because the qualifications of 3-A is "Characters who have an infinite degree of 3-dimensional power" which is obviously demonstrated by Johnny.
