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This is is the relevant part of my post in regards to Sukuna's physicals and the fire arrow that M3X is referring to:
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JJK is abusing UES
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I’m talkimg about the Mohoraga part.
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I read through them and I can't see anything conclusively proving Sukuna's physicals scale to the fire arrow.
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I agree with the OP for now
EldemadeDityjon
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Most of your arguments are debunked here..
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It was never stated as cleave. Sukuna even mentioned that cleave can one shot Mahogara. He clearly mentioned that attack was from Dismantle. Also Mahogara blade was even destroyed in that domain clash
This is also wrong Even Jogo Tanked Fire arrow some time. Its AP can be adjusted.
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Yeah, as I said it's two CRTs and a Staff Thread. Staff Threads aren't included in the limitation. Here's the rule:
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The main arguments from the last thread to counter the above points are Sukuna going easy against Mahoraga as he usually toys with his opponents, Mahoraga already adapting to the slashes.
Can't say this is true cause prior to this Sukuna states his dismantle would target everything in that area while cleave will be used for anything with cursed energy.
EldemadeDityjon
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Yeah
No he clearly mentioned it as dismantle. I know the mechanism of the domain but Sukuna mentioned it as Dismantle. Also according to Sukuna Cleave can neg Mahogara. If domain attacked it with Cleave he would already have erased it out of existence.
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Yall just not gonna tackle the OP but just the side points? Crazy
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How many fingers was sukuna here again? Like 8 or 9? I agree that 9-finger sukuna shouldn't scale but what about 15 finger sukuna?
Giannysmag
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He was at 15 fingers
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You're confusing what Sukuna is referring to. Prior to using malevolent shrine he hadn't used cleave against Mahoraga. While using the domain though, Mahoraga is attacked with cleave but sukuna says if it adapted to slashing attacks in general and not specifically dismantle, cleave won't be enough to destroy it.
This is kinda relevant isn't it? I'm only interested in the aspect pertaining to JJK, anything about revising the UES page is beyond me
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The sword slash that Sukuna withstood was from a sword enveloped in positive energy, when the blade was instead imbued with cursed energy, it sent Sukuna flying outside of the Curtain.
Sukuna's casual Dismantles can cleanly slice off body parts of Special Grade Curses and turn people into cubes yet Mahoraga only suffers surface cuts from Dismantle indicating his durability is great enough to contend with Sukuna's physicals as Sukuna's slashes deal piercing damage and Cursed Techniques have higher output than physicals.
This is quite literally the issue this CRT is tackling (assuming special techniques scale to physicals due to UES, which kind of defeats the point of using a special technique to bring out power), in fact we're told in the series that Ryu is the only character who can output the same amount of Cursed Energy regardless of if he is using his Cursed Technique.
This doesn't change the fact that Sukuna's casual Dismantles can completely slice through Special Grade Curses meanwhile Sukuna empowered his Dismantles more against Mahoraga as seen by him using the hand signs of his technique (which canonically make techniques stronger) yet it only deals surface cuts, that alone shows that Mahoraga's durability is at least somewhere near the ballpark of Sukuna's physicals.
KingTempest has already debunked this in the post after this on the thread.
"For anything with cursed energy within range - Cleave. For inanimate objects - Dismantle"
He didn't tank that, he was immediately sent to the Afterlife (
) despite seemingly clashing against the arrow with his own attack and Jogo is a special grade cursed spirit born from fear of the Earth and natural disasters related to it such as volcanoes, him having Fire resistance is a no-brainer and even with that, Jogo's body was instantly charred.
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he was at 15, how did I **** up that badly at remembering lmao
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It all comes down to this.
- Prove that the attacks (Supernatural and physical) are using the same energy source and a similar amount of energy from said energy source (The last part is doubly important otherwise it ain't a UES)
- Prove that a higher usage of said energy source amplifies attacks (Supernatural and physical) at the same rate
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15 is what fought Maho
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yeah, i remembered,
Arkenis
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You know, for an attack thats supposed to be above his regular arsenal, he sure doesn't use it a lot
Arkenis
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Yeah its usally never needed.
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It was never really useful, except maybe vs Gojo when Gojo's Infinity was disabled, but I believe he was using the Ten Shadows at the time so he couldn't. Might be wrong about that one.
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This.
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I'm not sure exactly what the cut off or qualifier is for the listed rating above, but CE does indeed increase physical abilities/speed. furthermore, Panda utilized his cursed energy aura to block an attack from Mechamaru that pierced right through his base durability earlier. When Mechamaru charges his albatross attack, Panda also coats himself in a stronger aura in order to survive the blast before going Ape. I use this early example because it's one of the times were are actually shown aura reinforcement explicitly.
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Nobody disagrees that they enhance their physicals with CE
It's just that there's absolutely no proof that they use similar amounts of energy in both their CT and their CE reinforcement
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Huh? Fire arrow was enhanced with his cursed energy.
Sukuna was also at the epicenter of his attack protecting himself with cursed energy so he clearly uses the same amount of CE to defend and attack when the opportunity presents itself.
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Means nothing
For him to be at the epicenter he has to get hit by it
The opportunity doesn't present itself to showcase that at all
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Ultra cannon and Albatross were Mechamaru's best attacks, and Mechamaru is a semi-grade 1 heavenly restriction user who has pretty beefy CE. Panda survived his hits with basic Ren. Unless Panda's ren is > Mechamaru's CE attacks, I'd say it's pretty evident he had to match the CE to not die there.
Side Note: How is nen treated? I'd say the relationship between Nen and CE, and Hatsu and CT is relatively portrayed similar, especially with Todo's whole spiel to Yuji about how CE flows to different parts of the body in different amounts. Hakari was also able to make a binding vow to send his arm reinforcement energy to the rest of his body and survive Kashimo's steam explosion.
EldemadeDityjon
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Put this thread on hold until next week anime might give better POV.
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No you don't have to get hit. Sukuna was virtually in the middle of that explosion. Literally 6 feet away if not arms length of Mahoraga.
EldemadeDityjon
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I hope this helps. It's clearly mentioned Sukuna can make up for the CT(Ten shadows) output with his CE control & Output
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You know being 6 feet away can mean you scale to like a tenth of an explosion in value right?
Or maybe he just withstands the small fraction of the attack that was gonna hit Nobara like he said
If he not getting hit by the move he don't scale to it, simple
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Pressing "X" for doubt. The attack was conicular and consumed Panda's whole body before exploding into a large flame column all around Panda. No way Panda is taking that if he can't reinforce his physicals to a relative level.
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Sukuna surviving the explosion is 7-C and the argument that "it's his CE so it scales to his physicals because UES" is literally the issue this CRT is tackling
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Theres a different output in CT. Some scale to the user, others not
Its not that hard
Its not that hard
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Didn't taking that attack push Panda to his limit causing him to switch to his Gorilla core
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Not for ultra canon. During albatross Panda took the initial cone in base and switched sometime afterward during the explosion.
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Doesn't mean much, it just means the attack range is... bigger than Panda
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It means he took a significant portion of the concentrated blast in addition to a good bit of exposure to the resultant explosion after engulfing him. If is ability to amp his dura is no where near the ballpark of one of the best AP feats for mid tiers, he would have been crisped.
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That... doesn't mean anything for the convo at hand?
How does that prove ppl use similar amounts of energy for CTs as Reinforcement?
How does that prove ppl use similar amounts of energy for CTs as Reinforcement?
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