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Introduction
Jujutsu Kaisen's state currently is bad, really really bad, this thread is not meant to delete it or anything of the sort since it's still a very popular verse so this is way more controversial, but the verse should be locked down for the time being. This is something that just a little over a year ago happened with Nasuverse (it was deleted in that thread but agreed to be locked down here), and JJK has very similar if not even worse issues currently.
1. The Scaling is Outdated
The current scaling of the verse is running on, a feat that is currently rejected/unusable, that being Mechamaru's Year Charges, and a feat that has been debunked to a way lower level than before, that being Uraume's Ice Creation feat.
All the pages that are currently "High 7-C" | "Large Town level" are currently using Uraume's calculation, and beforehand were using Mechamaru's Year Charges, with Mechamaru's page still using them to this day.
Additionally, although those weren't fully accepted to be changed yet, the Mahito calculations, those being:
are also currently with major question marks in them, that being, if you open the first one, as you can see a recalculation has been made to make the feat go from 73.8 Tons of TNT (City Block level+) to just 0.33 Tons of TNT (Building level), meanwhile Mahito's shaking was pointed out to have major issues that would make it straight up useless. This would make it so the entire basis for the 8-B+ characters is also completely gone.
Regardless if you think the removals/"debunks" are right or wrong, it is undeniable that the entire scaling is in quite a mess right now.
1.5. Unapplied threads
Outside of the outdated scaling above there are two more threads that should have been applied/got accepted for a long time but NEVER did, namely:
2. The Scaling is also just wrong / The profiles are terrible
Note: There has been threads that try to fix this, but the point of this thread is to prove that CURRENTLY the verse is all over the place, and I will talk about those threads later.
There is multiple examples of the scale itself also just being factually wrong within the verse.
Naoya's "Vengeful Cursed Spirit" key currently has, this as his durability:
This shouldn't look like an issue at first until you realize that Hanami has this as their durability:
This makes no sense with the fact that we have an in-verse statement that Hanami has a higher durability than Cursed Spirit Naoya.
To make the above worse, Kamo currently only has one key that being "City Block level" and one of the tiering being "Could harm Cursed Womb Naoya with arrows and could injure his Cursed Spirit self with more blood" so he's currently City Block level while the profile says he could harm a supposedly Large Town level character.
Megumi's "Kyoto Goodwill Event Arc" is currently "8-C" with the reasoning being: "Can harm the Finger Bearer with a kick, who is far stronger than this curse", this line of scaling makes no sense because if you just click Finger Bearer's profile instead you will see he's currently "At least 8-B", so there would be no reason for Megumi to scale to the random Grade 3 and below Curse feat except for just the Finger Bearer with the line of scaling at hand.
Utahime is currently scaling to "9-A" because she is a Semi Grade 1 Sorcerer, this is despite the feat of "this curse" as the Megumi page notes existing being "8-C", it currently says the curse is "ungraded" but that's a lie,, he is indeed not ungraded as the fanbook confirms he is a lower grade (grade 3 and below) curse. This should even apply to characters like Miwa who's currently said to be "stronger than Grade 3 Spirits and is comparable to Semi-Grade 2 Cursed Spirits" yet is rated as 9-C and the same goes for Nobara, but not to ramble much, but as you can see that's already 3 pages in a row being completely wrong.
Continuing with Utahime but in a different situation, as said above, she is a Semi Grade 1 Sorcerer, however, literally every other single semi-grade 1 sorcerer with a page right now is 8-B. with Ino's justification to being 8-B being the exact same as Utahime's yet they are 3 whole tiers apart. You could argue "oh but that's because it doesn't mean they are exactly comparable just because they are the same grade", that would be a valid thing to say yes, (even if I'd honestly disagree)... if the wiki wasn't not only using that as Ino's justification but also for Higuruma's justification via scaling him to Nanami as "they are both Grade 1s".
Yuji's "Itadori's Extermination Arc to Culling Game" has "Supersonic+ combat speed and reactions", despite this, Naoya's Sorcerer Key has "At least Subsonic (Was too fast for Yuji Itadori and required Choso using Flowing Red Scale to perceive him)" as his speed (with this being what it's talking about). So Naoya is currently scaling to "At least Subsonic" via blitzing a currently Supersonic+ character.
3. The Scaling isn't just bad, the profiles also are alongside it.
I could keep going on the above point on how many other pages have COUNTLESS issues in not only their AP/Speed scaling but also in the powers and abilities but the point is probably already obvious that the pages are just terrible in that regard... but it isn't even just in that regard.
If you just look through the pages, the "indexing" that the wiki is meant to be for is barely even there, a lot of pages are extremely low effort (This is not a personal attack on whoever made them, I didn't even check, and there are way more pages, I think even Nobara's and Kurourushi's pages are not good), they mostly just add one liners for every stat and barely elaborate on a lot of things making them look like just useless pages even.
Not just for those pages as well but also quite literally every page still has their intelligence rating still encompass skill even though that's outdated now and basically all of them lack any sort of detail to them and are at most 1-2 sentences long, it's just a complete lack of care for the verse.
A lot of profiles are also simply outdated or just lacking keys:
All these characters are in the verse page and some have been for OVER A YEAR, SOME EVEN TWO, without a profile.
There's also these ones but those are way more recent (since it's Modulo) so they get a pass I guess but still worth noting.
4. The "threads meant to fix it" + most Supporters don't really care anymore
As I said at the beginning of point No.2, supposedly, "there has been threads that try to fix this", this is true... however to be blunt:
Yeah, some are actually trying to solve it, but every time someone makes a CRT, it's either low-effort (no offense to anyone again) or just trying to upscale for the verse as fast as possible without any actual care for it, actual things that should be the priority are being ignored for "big numbers" for some people. As I will say in the solution we're working on to fix the verse properly and actually make stuff organized, but then every time one gets made it's just one more thing we either have to account for that in our CRTs, defend something in a CRT that isn't even ours, or it messes an idea that we were trying to do because now it either got rejected or just badly defended, regardless it just makes working on a "fix thread" much, much harder. Especially if we spend hours/days, looking/doing stuff, but then someone makes a thread covering that exact thing (which has happened already through the process since the idea of this has been in supporter's mind for a while), this isn't a issue of CRTs just being made but the fact that they aren't even moderated properly.
It's not all bad threads being created but even when they aren't bad, they get abandoned and it goes nowhere, for example:
vsbattles.com
The thread was meant to apply some changes via one of the unapplied threads I mentioned later, aka this one. I don't have an issue with the thread in itself, the issue is how it went... nowhere. The supporters are basically either so demotivated or just dead to the point such an important thread goes nowhere and dies. I have talked with a lot of other JJK supporters, mainly on discord, and a common feeling is that a lot of them just stopped caring because of how messed up the state of the verse is and how a lot of other people just don't seem to care as much. It's becoming more and more of a problem to the point you can see lot of threads are just unsolved and crickets (ignoring the VS ones), and if it continues like this it's just going to get worse and worse. I want to add that a lot of threads have been close to pointless as well and just... rushed.
5. Solution
Much like the situation of example I named (Nasuverse) was, the verse should be sort of "locked down" and every page should have the outdated template on it.
With the supporters we currently have, together, we will draft new pages, scaling, and everything else to fix the verse even if it might obviously take a decent amount of time. There's already a discord server with a dozen JJK Supporters for it (and of course more if any wish to join).
Agree:
Neutral:
Disagree:
Jujutsu Kaisen's state currently is bad, really really bad, this thread is not meant to delete it or anything of the sort since it's still a very popular verse so this is way more controversial, but the verse should be locked down for the time being. This is something that just a little over a year ago happened with Nasuverse (it was deleted in that thread but agreed to be locked down here), and JJK has very similar if not even worse issues currently.
1. The Scaling is Outdated
The current scaling of the verse is running on, a feat that is currently rejected/unusable, that being Mechamaru's Year Charges, and a feat that has been debunked to a way lower level than before, that being Uraume's Ice Creation feat.
All the pages that are currently "High 7-C" | "Large Town level" are currently using Uraume's calculation, and beforehand were using Mechamaru's Year Charges, with Mechamaru's page still using them to this day.
Additionally, although those weren't fully accepted to be changed yet, the Mahito calculations, those being:
are also currently with major question marks in them, that being, if you open the first one, as you can see a recalculation has been made to make the feat go from 73.8 Tons of TNT (City Block level+) to just 0.33 Tons of TNT (Building level), meanwhile Mahito's shaking was pointed out to have major issues that would make it straight up useless. This would make it so the entire basis for the 8-B+ characters is also completely gone.
Regardless if you think the removals/"debunks" are right or wrong, it is undeniable that the entire scaling is in quite a mess right now.
1.5. Unapplied threads
Outside of the outdated scaling above there are two more threads that should have been applied/got accepted for a long time but NEVER did, namely:
- Jujutsu Kaisen - Black Flash and Domains | Dec 12, 2025, accepted in Dec 30, 2025 | Never applied
- Projection Sorcery - Killing the elephant | Jan 19, 2026, accepted in Feb 17, 2026 | Never applied
2. The Scaling is also just wrong / The profiles are terrible
Note: There has been threads that try to fix this, but the point of this thread is to prove that CURRENTLY the verse is all over the place, and I will talk about those threads later.
There is multiple examples of the scale itself also just being factually wrong within the verse.
Naoya's "Vengeful Cursed Spirit" key currently has, this as his durability:
Large Town level as a Cursed Womb, higher as a Cursed Spirit, even higher at Maximum Speed
City Block level+, higher in Shining Sea of Growing Branches
To make the above worse, Kamo currently only has one key that being "City Block level" and one of the tiering being "Could harm Cursed Womb Naoya with arrows and could injure his Cursed Spirit self with more blood" so he's currently City Block level while the profile says he could harm a supposedly Large Town level character.
Megumi's "Kyoto Goodwill Event Arc" is currently "8-C" with the reasoning being: "Can harm the Finger Bearer with a kick, who is far stronger than this curse", this line of scaling makes no sense because if you just click Finger Bearer's profile instead you will see he's currently "At least 8-B", so there would be no reason for Megumi to scale to the random Grade 3 and below Curse feat except for just the Finger Bearer with the line of scaling at hand.
Utahime is currently scaling to "9-A" because she is a Semi Grade 1 Sorcerer, this is despite the feat of "this curse" as the Megumi page notes existing being "8-C", it currently says the curse is "ungraded" but that's a lie,, he is indeed not ungraded as the fanbook confirms he is a lower grade (grade 3 and below) curse. This should even apply to characters like Miwa who's currently said to be "stronger than Grade 3 Spirits and is comparable to Semi-Grade 2 Cursed Spirits" yet is rated as 9-C and the same goes for Nobara, but not to ramble much, but as you can see that's already 3 pages in a row being completely wrong.
Continuing with Utahime but in a different situation, as said above, she is a Semi Grade 1 Sorcerer, however, literally every other single semi-grade 1 sorcerer with a page right now is 8-B. with Ino's justification to being 8-B being the exact same as Utahime's yet they are 3 whole tiers apart. You could argue "oh but that's because it doesn't mean they are exactly comparable just because they are the same grade", that would be a valid thing to say yes, (even if I'd honestly disagree)... if the wiki wasn't not only using that as Ino's justification but also for Higuruma's justification via scaling him to Nanami as "they are both Grade 1s".
Yuji's "Itadori's Extermination Arc to Culling Game" has "Supersonic+ combat speed and reactions", despite this, Naoya's Sorcerer Key has "At least Subsonic (Was too fast for Yuji Itadori and required Choso using Flowing Red Scale to perceive him)" as his speed (with this being what it's talking about). So Naoya is currently scaling to "At least Subsonic" via blitzing a currently Supersonic+ character.
3. The Scaling isn't just bad, the profiles also are alongside it.
I could keep going on the above point on how many other pages have COUNTLESS issues in not only their AP/Speed scaling but also in the powers and abilities but the point is probably already obvious that the pages are just terrible in that regard... but it isn't even just in that regard.
If you just look through the pages, the "indexing" that the wiki is meant to be for is barely even there, a lot of pages are extremely low effort (This is not a personal attack on whoever made them, I didn't even check, and there are way more pages, I think even Nobara's and Kurourushi's pages are not good), they mostly just add one liners for every stat and barely elaborate on a lot of things making them look like just useless pages even.
Not just for those pages as well but also quite literally every page still has their intelligence rating still encompass skill even though that's outdated now and basically all of them lack any sort of detail to them and are at most 1-2 sentences long, it's just a complete lack of care for the verse.
A lot of profiles are also simply outdated or just lacking keys:
- Megumi currently has NO Culling Games Key and none of his feats from that part of the story are even talked about there, it straight up makes it look like Megumi actually died in Shibuya.
- Yuji's Shinjuku Showdown Key has no awakened self not only because it doesn't name it but because it only uses feats from early Shinjuku (the fight with himself, Yuta and Sukuna), the Key has been barely (since there were minimal changes) updated since 19 December 2024.
- Inumaki's page only has one key and lists the feats of both JJK0 and JJK as one, this is despite acknowledging in the same exact explanation that he is Semi-Grade 1 in JJK but Grade 2 in JJK0.
- Mahoraga's page still divides him into 3 keys and says he gets buffed through being tamed and/or used by Sukuna which is recently confirmed to be a lie.
All these characters are in the verse page and some have been for OVER A YEAR, SOME EVEN TWO, without a profile.
There's also these ones but those are way more recent (since it's Modulo) so they get a pass I guess but still worth noting.
4. The "threads meant to fix it" + most Supporters don't really care anymore
As I said at the beginning of point No.2, supposedly, "there has been threads that try to fix this", this is true... however to be blunt:
Yeah, some are actually trying to solve it, but every time someone makes a CRT, it's either low-effort (no offense to anyone again) or just trying to upscale for the verse as fast as possible without any actual care for it, actual things that should be the priority are being ignored for "big numbers" for some people. As I will say in the solution we're working on to fix the verse properly and actually make stuff organized, but then every time one gets made it's just one more thing we either have to account for that in our CRTs, defend something in a CRT that isn't even ours, or it messes an idea that we were trying to do because now it either got rejected or just badly defended, regardless it just makes working on a "fix thread" much, much harder. Especially if we spend hours/days, looking/doing stuff, but then someone makes a thread covering that exact thing (which has happened already through the process since the idea of this has been in supporter's mind for a while), this isn't a issue of CRTs just being made but the fact that they aren't even moderated properly.
It's not all bad threads being created but even when they aren't bad, they get abandoned and it goes nowhere, for example:
JJK Speed Revisions (AKA Projection Sorcery 2: Electric Boogaloo)
A continuation of this thread to discuss scaling. About 4 months late but better late than never I guess So, it was decided that a transonic and Mach 3 cap would be placed upon the verse and the Post-Sumo stats/key for Maki would be removed. As it's the only speed stats for her on that key, it...
5. Solution
Much like the situation of example I named (Nasuverse) was, the verse should be sort of "locked down" and every page should have the outdated template on it.
With the supporters we currently have, together, we will draft new pages, scaling, and everything else to fix the verse even if it might obviously take a decent amount of time. There's already a discord server with a dozen JJK Supporters for it (and of course more if any wish to join).
Agree:
Neutral:
Disagree:
