Jiren Vs Superman

[LordWhis]

Fingers crossed this doesn't devolve into a flamewar.

No prep or bfr. Speed equalised I guess, maybe, I'm not sure if you can do that if one character is omnipresent. Morals off.

Have at thee !

Jire: 8 (Gargoyle One, Tori-Bot, Stryk3r1337, Warren Valion, Geova2507, Theglassman12, Aeyu, TISSG7Redgrave)

Superman (Pre-Crisis): 2 (Landon, Matthew)

Inconclusive: 1 (Oloserian)

 

[Starter_Pack]

Oh, boy. This can't end well. *hides in toxicity-free corner*

 

[Quantu]

• Grabs popcorn

 

[Schnee_One]

(Breathes in)

Alright, let's hope this doesn't go badly.

As amazing as it is, I have to go with Jiren on this one.

AP and Durability go to Jiren off the bat, limit break Jiren>>Suppresed Jiren>=Gods>Zamasu while Supes is baseline.

Plus he takes the range advantage with the help of Danmaku.

I'll vote Jiren for the time being but this is definitely gonna get debated against.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

I'm kind of scared to touch this one, tbh. The only question I have is if Supes can hax Jiren to death. I lean towards Jiren having more raw power and dura plus skill. I'm just not sure if it would be enough to deal with Supes, whose also nigh-omnicient plus his powers.

Will wait for more input before making a decision.

 

[Royalty1702]

Superman Vs. His Anime Counterpart...hmm...

 

[Tori-Bot]

Superman gets Roflstomped before he realizes anything.

 

[Stryk3r1337]

Jiren FRA

 

[Oloserian]

Why is this even a thing? We don't even know what happens to Superman while he was merged with the Universe, he has literally no showings, we dont even know his abilities. There is no way this thread can reach any conclusive consensus.

 

[Stryk3r1337]

Supes with SoS is basically Infinite Zamasu. Jiren is stated to be above Infinite Zamasu so Jiren takes this, though I'm not sure how Supes's nigh-omniscience comes into play here.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Can Jiren survive after blowing up the Universe?

If so, Jiren wins.

 

[Schnee_One]

Can Jiren survive after blowing up the Universe?
If so, Jiren wins.

Supes has never done that in character and even then Jiren can tank it.

 

[Oloserian]

We still know nothing about him, for all we know he could have reality-warping hax that stomps Jiren or be unable to do anything and just a Universal passive observer.

We cannot reasonably debate on a versus battle if we don't know anything about a chracter.

 

[Schnee_One]

Then why does he have concluded matches to people for his tier?

 

[Stryk3r1337]

Jiren can tank universe destruction because of his universe+ durability.

 

[Oloserian]

They should probably be removed.

 

[Stryk3r1337]

Supes has never done that in character and even then Jiren can tank it.

Also, I think the OP stated "morals off", which means bloodlusted iirc

 

[Warren_Valion]

Supes has never done that in character and even then Jiren can tank it.

I meant in that, the only way for Jiren to defeat Superman after he fused with the universe would be to blow it up.

And I'm not doubting Jiren's ability to blow up and survive the destruction of a universe, but can he survive after the explosion or would he die like Goku would.

 

[PaChi2]

Giant Jiren vs Superman.

Super Mushroom Jiren vs Superman

Lol.

 

[Mania568]

in the manga he flies from space without a ship since "its faster" i know its not anime but sometimes the manga is used to give aditional information to the anime, until showned otherwise in the anime, should be considered he wouldnt die in space?? they making goku not being able to breath in space is something they should have fixed by now, even if they said god forms dont have that flaw or the like.

 

[Schnee_One]

Supes has never done that in character and even then Jiren can tank it.

I meant in that, the only way for Jiren to defeat Superman after he fused with the universe would be to blow it up.
And I'm not doubting Jiren's ability to blow up and survive the destruction of a universe, but can he survive after the explosion or would he die like Goku would.

He doesn't need to destroy the universe to kill Supes.

 

[Landon_Avery]

 

[Starter_Pack]

^^^

 

[Stryk3r1337]

Supes has never done that in character and even then Jiren can tank it.

I meant in that, the only way for Jiren to defeat Superman after he fused with the universe would be to blow it up.
And I'm not doubting Jiren's ability to blow up and survive the destruction of a universe, but can he survive after the explosion or would he die like Goku would.

Goku and Jiren both have same durability. Only reason Goku won't survive is that Goku can't breathe in space afaik.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

@Stryk3r1337

Actually, we don't know if Jiren can surive in space. While it's true that Jiren did it in the manga, we don't count that and only use the Dragon Ball Super anime as canon.

Otherwise, Goku and Vegeta would several more forms and Goku would have hakai.

 

[Geova2507]

Jiren has way above Baseline universal+ I can't see supes taking this, Jiren is just way better in everything

 

[Mania568]

im pretty sure people here accepted some information from manga as long as it doesnt interfere or change things, like saying goku red has healing and then manga saying how the heal works, etc.

this is an example as that wasnt the exemple it was used, though i dont know where i saw it. manga always goes more indepth into the same subject without changing anything, so it should be considered as long as it isnt debunked afterwards.

 

[AntorusTheBurningThrone]

Unless we count Silver Age Superman, or Cosmic Armour Superman, then Jiren takes this with ease.

 

[AntorusTheBurningThrone]

@Stryk3r1337
Actually, we don't know if Jiren can surive in space. While it's true that Jiren did it in the manga, we don't count that and only use the Dragon Ball Super anime as canon.

Otherwise, Goku and Vegeta would several more forms and Goku would have hakai.

Both are canon. I don't see why this is still a topic. They're BOTH canon. Toriyama writes the Story Board for BOTH of them.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

@Stryk3r1337
Actually, we don't know if Jiren can surive in space. While it's true that Jiren did it in the manga, we don't count that and only use the Dragon Ball Super anime as canon.

Otherwise, Goku and Vegeta would several more forms and Goku would have hakai.

Both are canon. I don't see why this is still a topic. They're BOTH canon. Toriyama writes the Story Board for BOTH of them.

Then, I'm curious. Point to something exclusive from the manga that we use for the character profiles, because I sure as heck have never seen one. The manga has different stuff from the anime and the anime came first.

Also, we don't have Jiren listed as being able to breath in space.

 

[AntorusTheBurningThrone]

You do understand that, despite its differences, it's confirmed to be Canon, yes? They're the same Stories, just written differently.

 

[Theglassman12]

Jiren should take this for the reasons stated above.

 

[Mania568]

goku has it as a weakness on his profile while jiren doesnt, that should be enough in itself to tell he does, unless now we need to say it in every profile

edit i meant breath in space

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

You do understand that, despite its differences, it's confirmed to be Canon, yes? They're the same Stories, just written differently.

But do we use the content from the manga? That's the pertinent question.

If that answer is 'Yes', then there's quite few profiles that need to be updated to reflect that.

 

[Aeyu]

I'm also going to go with the AYYLMAO over the Caped Crusader.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I don't think anyone can actually be mad, since there are hundreds of different Superman versions that solo d -*shot, stabbed, blown up, brutally impaled, thrown in acid, and ejected off planet*

 

[Bobsican]

I don't think anyone can actually be mad, since there are hundreds of different Superman versions that solo d -*shot, stabbed, blown up, brutally impaled, thrown in acid, and ejected off planet*

Still better than when Minecraft, Sonic or Spongebob do it.

Ahhh! My brother`s coming! No, I wasn`t insulting DB! Ahhh! Send hebsdkj├▒bvs├▒elblp!

 

[AntorusTheBurningThrone]

You do understand that, despite its differences, it's confirmed to be Canon, yes? They're the same Stories, just written differently.

But do we use the content from the manga? That's the pertinent question.
If that answer is 'Yes', then there's quite few profiles that need to be updated to reflect that.

Honestly, that's a weird Question to answer. I mean, we should. But, for some reason, it's not allowed. I mean, maybe make the Manga exclusive Forms for both Goku/Vegeta their own Manga thing like "Mastered SSB (Manga exclusive)" and give Goku the Hakai for his Manga Abilities or give Jiren the Breath in Space ability for the Manga or something along the lines of that. Cause, at the end of the day, it's all still canon.

Toriyama gave Toyotaro the Storyboard. He also gave Toei the Storyboard. Toyotaro added more detail to U11, while Toei spent more time on U7 and their bullshit. :/

 

[AntorusTheBurningThrone]

I don't think anyone can actually be mad, since there are hundreds of different Superman versions that solo d -*shot, stabbed, blown up, brutally impaled, thrown in acid, and ejected off planet*

Still better than when Minecraft, Sonic or Spongebob do it.
Ahhh! My brother`s coming! No, I wasn`t insulting DB! Ahhh! Send hebsdkj├▒bvs├▒elblp!

Uhhhmmmm....

What?

 

[AntorusTheBurningThrone]

I don't think anyone can actually be mad, since there are hundreds of different Superman versions that solo d -*shot, stabbed, blown up, brutally impaled, thrown in acid, and ejected off planet*

And yet only 2 can actually stand up to Jiren.