Jiang Zi Ya CRT

[Greatsage13th]

Got a way to calculate the sun eruption feat.

Assuming that the average size of a solar flare is 100000 km and the higher end is 500000 km

With the total surface area of the sun being 6.088 x 10¹² km² or 3.7063744 x 10²⁵ km

Low end= 3.7063744 x 10²⁵ km / 100000 km = the surface area of the sun is 3.7063744 x 10²⁰ times larger than an average solar flare .

3.7063744 x 10²⁰ x 10²⁰ = 3.7063744 x 10⁴⁰ joules (small star level)



High end = 3.7063744 x 10²⁵ km / 500000 km = the surface area of the sun is 7.4127488 x 10¹⁹ times larger than an above average solar flare.

7.4127488 x 10¹⁹ x 10²⁵ = 7.4127488 x 10⁴⁴ joules (large star level)

 

[Greatsage13th]

Planck still makes sense to me.

哎呀。。。。

 

[Planck69]

Got a way to calculate the sun eruption feat.

Assuming that the average size of a solar flare is 100000 km and the higher end is 500000 km

With the total surface area of the sun being 6.088 x 10¹² km² or 3.7063744 x 10²⁵ km

Low end= 3.7063744 x 10²⁵ km / 100000 km = the surface area of the sun is 3.7063744 x 10²⁰ times larger than an average solar flare .

3.7063744 x 10²⁰ x 10²⁰ = 3.7063744 x 10⁴⁰ joules (small star level)



High end = 3.7063744 x 10²⁵ km / 500000 km = the surface area of the sun is 7.4127488 x 10¹⁹ times larger than an above average solar flare.

7.4127488 x 10¹⁹ x 10²⁵ = 7.4127488 x 10⁴⁴ joules (large star level)

What are you even calculating here? This calc looks completely incoherent. Never mind how you somehow got High 4-C results from flares on the sun.

Edit: Looking at the feat again and it just seems that they were causing a surface-wide sunquake rather than an actual surface-wide solar flare. However you calc that, it won't be High 4-C (or probably even Tier 4).

 

[Greatsage13th]

Planck still makes sense to me.

I mean the flag should still be given limited powernull since it requires contact with an attack or object to activate.

 

[Planck69]

Not even. It just dissipates stuff with a forcefield. That isn't power null.

 

[Greatsage13th]

What are you even calculating here? This calc looks completely incoherent. Never mind how you somehow got High 4-C results from flares on the sun.

Depends whether or not the matter that was on the sun's surface was launched less than 500000 km or more. But the low end is the safest.

 

[Planck69]

Look at my edit.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Not even. It just dissipates stuff with a forcefield. That isn't power null.

The other variation dispersed ice silkworm webs. That isn't considered as forcefield nor causing damage to it as it might have harmed yang jian as well

 

[Greatsage13th]

Look at my edit.

So small star shouldnt be used at all?

 

[Planck69]

Dispersing attacks isn't power null. Several characters across fiction do this, from OP haxlords to Goku. Just overcoming an attack with your power is not enough for power null as it could be visuals. Add that to how everyone can use their powers when near it, you have two assumptions;

1. This flag has a really powerful barrier that blocks and disperses attacks.

2. This flag has a very specifically limited range power null that only works when attacks are landing on it, being unable to even dispel continuous energy beams.

The first has far less assumptions and by Occam's Razor, it should be the more likely end.

 

[Planck69]

So small star shouldnt be used at all?

That calc in general shouldn't be used. Either it's unquantifable or it should be properly calced.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Dispersing attacks isn't power null. Several characters across fiction do this, from OP haxlords to Goku. Just overcoming an attack with your power is not enough for power null as it could be visuals. Add that to how everyone can use their powers when near it, you have two assumptions;

1. This flag has a really powerful barrier that blocks and disperses attacks.

2. This flag has a very specifically limited range power null that only works when attacks are landing on it, being unable to even dispel continuous energy beams.

The first has far less assumptions and by Occam's Razor, it should be the more likely end.

here's another showing where Jiang Zi Ya uses the Yellow Flag to Nullify Fire and water magic of the Yellow River Trap

 

[Greatsage13th]

That calc in general shouldn't be used. Either it's unquantifable or it should be properly calced.

okay then

 

[Planck69]

here's another showing where Jiang Zi Ya uses the Yellow Flag to Nullify Fire and water magic of the Yellow River Trap

He's literally dispersing the attacks. He has to actually hit them to get rid of them. This is actually even worse proof than before.

 

[Greatsage13th]

He's literally dispersing the attacks. He has to actually hit them to get rid of them. This is actually even worse proof than before.

i mean you said it could be a powernull with limited range.

 

[Planck69]

i mean you said it could be a powernull with limited range.

I said that was one of the interpretations to prove the point that it has too many assumptions. I clearly didn't agree with it as can be seen on the same post.

 

[Planck69]

And again, contact some other members.

 

[Zaratthustra]

I will look through this tonight.

 

[Antvasima]

@GyroNutz @DarkGrath @The_Wright_Way @Ogbunabali @Moritzva @Everything12 @Duedate8898

Would any of you be willing to help evaluate this? I personally think that we should go with Planck69's and Zaratthustra's conclusions, have them applied, and close this thread.

 

[Everything12]

I'll wait for Zaratthustra til I make my opinion, as I trust them with this type of Verse.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem.

 

[Duedate8898]

I'll check over the thread and give my input some time later

 

[Greatsage13th]

Dispersing attacks isn't power null. Several characters across fiction do this, from OP haxlords to Goku. Just overcoming an attack with your power is not enough for power null as it could be visuals. Add that to how everyone can use their powers when near it, you have two assumptions;

1. This flag has a really powerful barrier that blocks and disperses attacks.

2. This flag has a very specifically limited range power null that only works when attacks are landing on it, being unable to even dispel continuous energy beams.

The first has far less assumptions and by Occam's Razor, it should be the more likely end.

Speaking of the devil. I know this is off topic but....how did goku end up having limited powernull?

 

[Planck69]

Speaking of the devil. I know this is off topic but....how did goku end up having limited powernull?

Nullifying energy (at least, Beerus has this, didn't know Goku did as well). Difference is that the nullification is actually stated after the feat happens.

 

[Ogbunabali]

I pretty much agree with Zaratthustra and Planck69. Don't have much else to add.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Nullifying energy (at least, Beerus has this, didn't know Goku did as well). Difference is that the nullification is actually stated after the feat happens.

The same thing happened for Jiang Zi Ya but it seems that you find that it has too much "assumptions"

 

[Planck69]

Can you show me a scene where he holds an attack in his hands, makes it turn to nothing and says,"I nullified your magic"? All you show is him blocking attacks with something very clearly shown to be a forcefield.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Can you show me a scene where he holds an attack in his hands, makes it turn to nothing and says,"I nullified your magic"? All you show is him blocking attacks with something very clearly shown to be a forcefield.

...must the "I nullified your magic" part be there as well?

 

[Greatsage13th]

I'll see if I could find any.

 

[Planck69]

...must the "I nullified your magic" part be there as well?

Or a mook saying, "he nullified our attacks" or something. Basically something explicitly meant to show that he nullifies attacks.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Or a mook saying, "he nullified our attacks" or something. Basically something explicitly meant to show that he nullifies attacks.

Pretty sure I showed you the scene where the thousand year old demon fox stated it disabled their magic from harming him due to the protection of the yellow flag....but I guess I should see if there are any similar incidents

 

[Antvasima]

Can we please soon end this spammy discussion and apply what Planck69 and Zaratthustra have accepted?

 

[Antvasima]

Never mind. I forgot that Zaratthustra plans to make another evaluation soon.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Can we please soon end this spammy discussion and apply what Planck69 and Zaratthustra have accepted?

it will end soon i assure.

 

[Planck69]

It pretty much has. Can't speak for everyone else but I hard disagree with power null.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Or a mook saying, "he nullified our attacks" or something. Basically something explicitly meant to show that he nullifies attacks.

this scene is different from the rest but not what you expected. in this scene jiang Zi Ya nullifies the three corpses' over Si Bu Xiang and depowers him back to his normal state in an effort to help him. at the end of the confrontation it was shown that he could enter other being's mind with the characterless book of heaven

 

[Planck69]

That's Purification. Look, I'm with Ant on this. We need to move on. Maybe you can convince other staff members when they arrive.

 

[Greatsage13th]

understood, but which type of purification is this?

 

[Planck69]

Type 2 I think.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Type 2 I think.

okay