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If UI is the mastery of the body over the mind and let the user's body have own judgment does that make the mind irrelevant when it comes to fight? Would that make Goku resistant/inmune against standard mindhax?
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Is MUI inmune against Mindhax?
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There were a couple of threads which concluded the answer being yes.
EDIT: FOUND IT- https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1198368
You can ask Kep, AKM and the other DB experts.
EDIT: FOUND IT- https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1198368
You can ask Kep, AKM and the other DB experts.
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Hell no.
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Fine.KLOL506 said:
Goku doesn't suddenly become mindless when going UI. All he's doing is letting his body function over his mind, but his mind is still present for someone to take control of.
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I'll reformule.
If Goku's mind is taken over by hax, would his body still fighting?
If Goku's mind is taken over by hax, would his body still fighting?
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Illusions are more like tricking your perception into seeing something that isn't actually there. It can be done via mindhax in some cases, but not always.
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The way the OP described it, I don't think so.
Tho it may be better to ask someone knowledgeable on DBS.
Tho it may be better to ask someone knowledgeable on DBS.
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Depends on the Mindhax.
Controlling the mind to control the body won't work since the body is already going automatic anyways; Mastered Ultra Instinct is letting your body go completely automatic with no mental input (The Ultra Instinct -Sign- is an incomplete version where Goku still thinks for specific actions).
Mind-wiping Goku, if only exclusively talking about the Consciousness, also wouldn't work since the body automatically moves anyways. If you take away what's not being used, nothing really changes besides maybe a bit less tactics. And attacking everything in sight, but besides the point.
Define "Standard" Mindhax? Because stuff like regular Sharingan Genjutsu will do jack all to Goku in MUI, but something like Tsukuyomi that effects *Everything* would work, although I'm sure nobody is disagreeing that Tsukuyomi is powerful.
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"Fighting off illusions =/= resisting mindhax.
Also you'd have to prove that Goku can't override his own body's actions during MUI."
Because he... can't? The whole point of MUI is that unlike Ultra Instinct -Sign-, the Mastered version doesn't take inputs from the mind. Every action is instinctual (Well, Beyond instinct and into something greater as Whis says but whatevs). He'd essentially be fighting his own body on where and when to move, and as anyone who wakes up in the morning but can't move knows, the instincts usually win over 99% of the time.
Controlling the mind to control the body won't work since the body is already going automatic anyways; Mastered Ultra Instinct is letting your body go completely automatic with no mental input (The Ultra Instinct -Sign- is an incomplete version where Goku still thinks for specific actions).
Mind-wiping Goku, if only exclusively talking about the Consciousness, also wouldn't work since the body automatically moves anyways. If you take away what's not being used, nothing really changes besides maybe a bit less tactics. And attacking everything in sight, but besides the point.
Define "Standard" Mindhax? Because stuff like regular Sharingan Genjutsu will do jack all to Goku in MUI, but something like Tsukuyomi that effects *Everything* would work, although I'm sure nobody is disagreeing that Tsukuyomi is powerful.
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"Fighting off illusions =/= resisting mindhax.
Also you'd have to prove that Goku can't override his own body's actions during MUI."
Because he... can't? The whole point of MUI is that unlike Ultra Instinct -Sign-, the Mastered version doesn't take inputs from the mind. Every action is instinctual (Well, Beyond instinct and into something greater as Whis says but whatevs). He'd essentially be fighting his own body on where and when to move, and as anyone who wakes up in the morning but can't move knows, the instincts usually win over 99% of the time.
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Pretty sure he doesn't resist it at all. He has his normal resistance, which is rarely ever strong enough to matter, but his mind can be affected all the same.
As for incapacitating him, anything that gives him false imput, like aizen, would work wonders.
As for incapacitating him, anything that gives him false imput, like aizen, would work wonders.
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This is... literally ignoring all of which Ultra Instinct is about.Ricsi-viragosi said:
It's not even "He resists", it's "If you mindwipe him, it wouldn't matter since his body didn't need his mind in the first place".
Incapacitating him would do jack all if you render the consciousness unconscious, since again, the body doesn't need the mind to operate. You also can't just have *anything* give him false input; Goku has been fighting basic false input techniques since Dragon Ball eras (Stuff that makes you tipsy and screw with your balance, seeing without sight, stuff like that). And as I stated above, basic Genjutsu would do... almost nothing really while stronger techniques like Tsukuyomi would indeed work.
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No, you seem to be ignoring my point. My first part says that he doesn't resist it, and the "as for incapacitating" implies that mindhaxing normally won't do so.
And for the latter, it's implied that the mindhax has to be above the resistance he already has, that much is obvious enough that I felt it didn't need being written down. And being made blind and tipsy and having a litiral flase senario given to the body are completly different.
And for the latter, it's implied that the mindhax has to be above the resistance he already has, that much is obvious enough that I felt it didn't need being written down. And being made blind and tipsy and having a litiral flase senario given to the body are completly different.
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"It's not even "He resists", it's "If you mindwipe him, it wouldn't matter since his body didn't need his mind in the first place". "
That's what I'm asking. Mindhax shouldn't work on his body if it only affect the mind.
Goku has no resistance to mindhax. It's just that his body doesn't care about the mind and therefore'd continue the fight even if he's in a coma.
That's what I'm asking. Mindhax shouldn't work on his body if it only affect the mind.
Goku has no resistance to mindhax. It's just that his body doesn't care about the mind and therefore'd continue the fight even if he's in a coma.
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As Calaca said, since user's mind is no longer bounded to the body affecting it wouldn't avoid the user's movements. Don't think it would work with coma since is more a brain damage rather than mind's, if the brain is disconnected the body no longer works.
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Mind is already something that isn't physical tho, and inside if it can be considered to be inside a metaphysical place. UI do not guatantee do not being affected by mind manipulation, but conventional ones wouldn't be able to make UI stop moving (unless it make sthe user lost consciousness).
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Goku was pretty pissed off during his fight with Jiren. But it didn't had any ill-effect on MUI at all. It weared off only when his body was completely exhausted. I think his mental state has zero correlation with his Instinctive Reaction The whole purpose of UI is letting your body move and react unconsciouly avoiding all dangers no matter how severe. So yes the mind is vulnerable but the body will still keep fighting
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That's what I thought.
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The guy who has resistance against Mind Control? Yeah, why?
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Babidi mind control is low level one, having certain "goodness" inside would make it nearly futile.
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We don't scale resistances. Goku has never shown any resistance to Mind Manip so he doesn't resist.
And Babidi's mindhax is fodder against people with hax strong enough to manipulate towns of people.
And Babidi's mindhax is fodder against people with hax strong enough to manipulate towns of people.
