Invisible Dragon - The Return (Maybe)

[InfiniteSped]

oh, yeah, we're doing it.

So, the Invisible Dragon verse was deleted way back in 2018 in this thread here. From what I could tell, it was just kinda deleted without any consensus about if it should stay or not, so I think it's reasonable to try bringing it back.

Zackmoon backed up the profiles in blogs:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ZackMoon1234/Invisible_Dragon_Profile

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ZackMoon1234/Demon_King_Dragon_Master_Profile

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ZackMoon1234/Colbob_Profile

there might be a few more

For anyone who wants to read the actual webnovel, you can do so here.

It was pointed out that the profiles didn't have many justifications with quotes and such, so I'll add them here:

1st Key: Base, Pre-Training

• Attack Potency: Multi-Continent level - Blew up the Americas with one hit - Calc

• Speed: Destroyed Jets in 0.001 seconds - Not sure how fast this would be

• Energy Projection - Shot lasers out of his hands to blow up the Americas

• Invisibility - Is invisible because it was born out of the air

• Dimensional Travel - Moves through dimensions to reach Earth

• Large Size - Type 2

• Shapeshifting - Turns into a Human

• Breath Attack - Has one

• Rage Power - Can boost himself through anger

• Longevity - Trains for 300 million years

2nd Key: After Training

• Attack Potency: At least Universe level+ (Killed 600 Lords of Universes, each one capable of creating an universe and fusing it with Colbob's universe)

• Speed: Massively Faster than Light+ - Calc

• Summoning - Calls 350K meteors from the sky

• Aura and Air Manipulation - Causes strong winds with his aura combined with his brother's

• Extrasensory Perception - Can perceive invisible beings with his Mind's Eye

• Teleportation - Dodges an attack with a skill that randomly teleports him away

• Statistics Amplification - Can make himself much stronger by biting his tongue and shivering his chin in fear.

3rd key: After biting his tongue and shivering his chin in fear

• Attack Potency: At least Universe level+ (Is at least 5,783,458,765,666┬▓ times more powerful than before)

• Speed: Massively Faster than Light+ (Should be about as fast as before)

• Can force enemies to self destruct - Not sure what power this is.

• Regenerationn - (Low High, can come back from a particle the size of a grain of sand)

 

[DMUA]

I think it was mostly just so awful no one on the entire site wanted it on

That said, are we sure the translation is good? I think I remember one factor being that it's translation is off enough to cause... well, what you see before you

 

[InfiniteSped]

The grammar is purposefully bad to match the original writing, if that's what you mean.

 

[Nepuko]

Yes! YES!!

Down with the discrimination! Invisible Dragon gon be back!

There's a slight problem tho, I see no CRT above me :thonk:

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Gonna point out some things... So, according to the last thread, it was apparently """"""agreed""""" to be removed, but in reality there were both staff that agreed and disagreed and Matt just decided to delete the profile in the meanwhile without letting people to reach a consensum, which isn't cool. Apparently, it was deleted due to bad writing and incoherency.

It is terrible written, but...thats not really a reason to delete. We have lots of verse who are considered to be bad written but still allowed here anyway.

It is incoherent sometimes but it actually has a plot and a linear one. Invisible Dragon borns himself from an egg, gets bullied by Colbob. ID promises to get stronger and defeat him. He grows up, defeats those who he encounters, and keeps getting strong until he meets Colbob's subordinates (the Lords of Universes). After defeating the subordinates he goes for the real deal, which is Colbob, his last fight. After that, he died happy

His mentality is also pretty fuc*ed up and childish so thats why he killed a lot of people without reasons (except for the Lord of Universes and Colbob, which he had a reason to)

The novel is pretty famous in Korea and its rated as 4.2/5.0 in novel updates so quite something

About the multipliers....they are explicitly stated (as you can see in the OP) and most part of the novel is based on that so it should be fine I guess

 

[Promestein]

I don't care if it's deleted or not. I don't think it's a good precedent to delete something for being bad though.

 

[Nepuko]

@DMUA As Sped said, the translation is done purposely that way to match the original. It's one of Invisible Dragon's....it's one of the reasons it's reknown for. It's "so bad it's good".

 

[DMUA]

The grammar is purposefully bad to match the original writing, if that's what you mean.

... what an artform

Personally, I'm kinda with other admins that this is level of awful beyond awful that I don't really think should be on the site but I'm not going to press it

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

It was rejected here too.

 

[Nepuko]

I'm of the opinion that we should just focus on indexing/tiering stuff, regardless of how bad (or good) the original work is. Since this is an indexing site. But that's me.

 

[Ugarik]

Anime Character Fight Wikia does have his profile thought.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

As I said, its not really incoherent since it actually has a linear plot

"Bad written"...it totally is but not a reason to delete

 

[Overlord775]

This is shit post level of bad writing tho

 

[Promestein]

ACF is ACF and VSB is VSB. ACF's actions don't matter.

 

[YungManzi]

I don't care if it's deleted or not. I don't think it's a good precedent to delete something for being bad though.

If it's just being deleted for being bad Fairy Tail, a bunch of isekai verses, some comic verses and/or characters, a lot of american cartoon verses, a bunch of popular books, some myths, some terrible superhero movie franchises, terrible horror movie franchises, most modern games which are written attrosciously (Because who cares about a story more than gameplay?) ect.

A lot of these^ are generally considered to be badly written.

 

[DMUA]

there's badly written and then there's "invisible dragon wanted to test how strong he was so he used 1/1000000000000000000000000000000000000th of his power

piiiiiiuuuuuwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww"

 

[Overlord775]

@Yung They are not even remotely close as bad tho

Like, while yes they are arguably not good, but they aren't complete power fantasy shit posts level of bad

 

[InfiniteSped]

just grab some tier 1 descriptions, they're just as bad

 

[Wokistan]

I think my opinion mirrors that of Prom here. Deleting a verse because it sucks causes far more problems than the existence of Invisible Dragon, and I wouldn't really be upset if it was here or whatever. We'd need tightly defined standards for "deletion cause bad" to be acceptable.

Apparently invis dragon is a parody of shit like it so

 

[Overlord775]

Tell me the difference between allowing this and allowing Suggsverse, because I don't really quite see it

 

[InfiniteSped]

Suggs is ridiculously inconsistent and basically impossible to tier.

 

[YungManzi]

I thought Suggsverse was disallowed because it isn't very popular outside of verses communities?

 

[Nepuko]

I think my opinion mirrors that of Prom here. Deleting a verse because it sucks causes far more problems than the existence of Invisible Dragon, and I wouldn't really be upset if it was here or whatever. We'd need tightly defined standards for "deletion cause bad" to be acceptable.
Apparently invis dragon is a parody of shit like it so

It was praised by the G RR Martin equivalent of Korea or something like that for being a parody or something >_>

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Invisible Dragon's feats doesnt break our system like Sugg does

 

[Overlord775]

@Nupuko

Does Korea really have that low of a standard ?

 

[Ugarik]

I think my opinion mirrors that of Prom here. Deleting a verse because it sucks causes far more problems than the existence of Invisible Dragon, and I wouldn't really be upset if it was here or whatever. We'd need tightly defined standards for "deletion cause bad" to be acceptable.
Apparently invis dragon is a parody of shit like it so

If it falls under the Poe's law it shouldn't be here

 

[Wokistan]

Poe's law is quite subjective though. I've seen people think south park's being totally serious with stuff they haven't been.

 

[EMS-TC02_Phantom]

The former is something you can still sort of objectively quantify and apparently made by the user as a parody/jab towards story whose powerlevel aspect is relatively high. The latter is an incoherent mess that keeps contradicting itself with how character A is omnipotent but then character B is somehow more omnipotent when by the definition of the word itself it's fundamentally impossible and it was made by a literal wanker whose wanked fanfic tier translation got called out years ago and he made an entire series of books out of spite for the purpose of vs debating coz "lol muh series is the stronkest evah!!11!"

Like, regardless of their respective writing quality, someone using 0,000001% of their power busting a million universes is still an objective feat that you can actually quantify and therefore index. Whereas Xeranthemum being apeiro-hyper^99^googolplex^infinity*infinity*Aleph-null^complex imaginary number times more omnipotent than a random school's janitor is not

My 2 cent

EDIT: Oh shit fam. It ain't "apeiro-hyper^99^googolplex^infinity*infinity*Aleph-null^complex imaginary number times more omnipotent", it's actually beyond the necessity and essentiality of Cataphysics, as well as any category > [┬úß©ê┬ºÔÖáÔêÇÔÖáOmnipotence], > [┬úß©ê┬ºÔÖáÔêÇÔÖáOmniscience], > [┬úß©ê┬ºÔÖáÔêÇÔÖáOmnipresence], > [┬úß©ê┬ºÔÖáÔêÇÔÖáOmnilock], > [┬úß©ê┬ºÔÖáÔêÇÔÖáOmnificence], > [┬úß©ê┬ºÔÖáÔêÇÔÖáOmnifarious], > [┬úß©ê┬ºÔÖáÔêÇÔÖáOmnicompetence], > [┬úß©ê┬ºÔÖáÔêÇÔÖáOmniarch], and > [┬úß©ê┬ºÔÖáÔêÇÔÖáOmniverses]. She exists before ÔêÇ[Sparainsurmountable-potentiality] and ÔêÇ[Sparainsurmountable-actuality]. Forgibe my incompetence

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

As i said in the previous threads, i am fine with ID being on the site.

Don't think the writing sucks is a reason to delete it, as long as series is coherent and can be objectively measured, and it's not choked full of contradictions, i think it should be allowed.

 

[Nepuko]

@Nupuko
Does Korea really have that low of a standard ?

It has nothing to do with standards, it's a parody. And I don't know if you read it, but it's actually fun from a certain point....

A masterpiece of shiterature.

Edit : also I'm Nep smh, not Nup.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Apparently invis dragon is a parody of shit like it so

Isn't this exactly what Joke Battles is for, joke/parody characters that aren't made to be taken remotely seriously, or written to actually be a story, but purposely written poorly as a joke or to parody another work and just have power for the sake of a joke.

Like, that wiki is specifically made for jokes, memes, parodies etc. I'm pretty sure a verse that was poorly written on purpose as a joke, is known for its purposefully low quality and such would fit under the things that belongs on Joke Battles

 

[Ogbunabali]

Well to be fair, it isn't a parody of a specific character/work, it parodies the genre. We have multiple characters that are from similar parodical works on the wiki currently.

 

[Nepuko]

@Paul But Invisible Dragon is more like a parody of genres, and I think that makes it different than the regular specific jokes/memes of characters or specific works.

Edit : got ninja'd...

 

[Ionliosite]

Deleting something because it's bad is wrong for many reasons, profiles like Catwoman (2004 Movie) and Akuto Sai are accepted, so quality of the story isn't a standard here. As for it being a parody of OP characters, well, Saitama is one too and he's allowed.

 

[Overlord775]

""The invisible dragon turned into a super saiyan invisible dragon

"hahaha just dye demon king dragon master"

but he still couldnt do anythin

"ugh **** im going to come back after training like shit and becoming super ultra stong just you wait demon king dragon master"

the invisible dragon ran ;-;

sob sbo

but lets believe in our main character!!! fighting!!!

look forward to the next episode!!! okey???""

-Actual text from the invisibile dragon

Do I even have to explain why stuff like this shouldn't be allowed?

 

[Nepuko]

Wait, how was the OP last edited by @Oblivion o_o?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Magic

 

[RatherClueless]

Do I even have to explain why stuff like this shouldn't be allowed?

Pls do

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Eh, being a shitpost shouldn'tean that it can't have a profile if it's a coherent shitpost.

 

[Overlord775]

@Clueless

Because it's a pile of random mashed word only with only a remote connection between them that and that even a 12 year old could surpass in grammar.

@Ricisi

We should have some bar of quality