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Well you go and try to establish rules for such requirements, because I am not touching that with sung wukong extending pole.
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Invisible Dragon - The Return (Maybe)
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quality is subjective. I personally think ID is amazing. I do agree that the grammer is bad, but if an actual criteria for being on this wiki is going to be "have gud grammer and spelling", well, Idk what to tell you
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You enjoy it only because it's a book long shitpost, don't you ?
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@ricsi
Its like, evidently not a coherent shitpost half the time if you read it. There is the overarching colbob vs ID thing, but what actually occurs in the fights or story besides that doesn't maintain coherency
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The only thing that wasnt coherent was his fight against the americas and maybe the one against his brother. After that, he begins his journey of travelling through universes and defeating the lord of universes and Colbob's subordinates
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We're an indexing site, not a "let's review the power of decently written verses" site >_>. It has feats, a somewhat coherent storyline and isn't going against the wiki's system(unlike suggsverse for ex). I don't see why it can't be allowed.Overlord775 said:
It would set a bad exemple and would induce possible shitstorms if we ban a verse because "it's badly written".
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It would set an even worse exemple if we let it in tho
Like, it would open the door for even the lowest of quality of fiction
It would set an even worse exemple if we let it in tho
Like, it would open the door for even the lowest of quality of fiction
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But quality dosen't matter in the first place. We don't care if this verse is written worse than what a 7 years old could do(to some extent at least) or if it's award-worthy, if all we want to see is if Character A can bust a planet or make you disappear with a thought.
We're not reviewing the work itself.
We're not reviewing the work itself.
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So, does this mean the profile can be made or nah?
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As long as the grammar, writing and formatting are up to par, I think it's fine to add. Maybe link some of the the values and calculations (Massively FTL+) to make it neater.
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I see no reason it couldn't be made. It's power seem to be pretty consistent
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Do we even have standards anymore?
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Oh don't get me wrong, there's quite a few things I think don't deserve to be here, like How I Met Your Mother profiles, and that show is actually good. This on the other hand? This exactly what Sera was talking about when she said we have too many profiles. We're allowing anything to get one, regardless of quality. It's a joke, and it makes us a joke by proxy. So again, it looks to me like we don't even have standards anymore. We might as well add Onision's characters.
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Being bad is subjective and shouldn't be qualification for deletion. There are lots of verses I consider bad but don't want to delete.
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Also suggsverse is banned because the verse was literally made to win vs debates. Not just for being bad.
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Yes but also no. Stuff like this makes Razzie winners look like Citizen Kane. People can like it, sure. People can also like the smell of feces. Doesn't make the smell good.ZacharyGrossman273 said:
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I kinda hate the fact this is here. That's all I'm going to say about it.
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I personally thinks its too obscure to be on the wiki, which, given it's a cheaply made web novel with little to no quality of writing, I don't think belongs here, given it serves as an incentive to just add whatever horrible verse your drunk roommate came up with on a Friday night and posted online as a "Web Publication"
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tell me one verse we already allowed that has both the grammar and writing quality of an elementary school kidWokistan said:
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On one hand quality is subjective. On the other hand I think we can all agree Invisible Dragon is objectively awful and it along with Man with No Name (Town with No Name), and other similar characters, should be deleted.
I was going to give invisible dragon a chance but after reading through it more it just gets worse and worse until it becomes literally unreadable. I agree with its deletion.
I was going to give invisible dragon a chance but after reading through it more it just gets worse and worse until it becomes literally unreadable. I agree with its deletion.
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Tell that to dozens of light novels that exists hereZark2099 said:
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Yeah, I kinda hate it, too. I think this sort of thing belongs exclusively on Joke Battles Wiki; trying to index this thing, or use it seriously in vs. battle debates? I don't understand why anyone would even want to. Reading what excerpts from the "book" that I have has only induced a headache in me, and brought up bad flashbacks of a pointless arguement I had against a troll who believed that regular Muggles in HP should have Relativistic+ reactions for dodging Accio'd items.
It's a complete shitpost. Make a profile for the Little Panda Fighter while you're at it--the content of The Invisible Dragon is just as grating and shallow if not moreso, and I'm honestly appalled that our standards are loose enough that something like this could be allowed on the site.
It's a complete shitpost. Make a profile for the Little Panda Fighter while you're at it--the content of The Invisible Dragon is just as grating and shallow if not moreso, and I'm honestly appalled that our standards are loose enough that something like this could be allowed on the site.
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Those VNs didn't sell well, they weren't self-published crap made by an inept writer with zero effort put in.Oblivion Of The Endless said:
We may as well start adding Wattpad original fics
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So, are people now trying to argue that self published works shouldn't be allowed?
That's the vibe I'm getting from some of these comments.
"We may as well start adding Wattpad original fics."
They should be allowed anyway as long as they aren't literal fanfiction, and are at least slightly popular.
That's the vibe I'm getting from some of these comments.
"We may as well start adding Wattpad original fics."
They should be allowed anyway as long as they aren't literal fanfiction, and are at least slightly popular.
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I personally agree with Cal, Zark, Keeweed, and Overlord that we should consider self-published extremely poor quality works with almost no popularity/notability as possible to add to FCOC, but not here.
Complete lack of popularity also makes it hard to verify their reliability, and fictions that purposefully try to break our tiering system would spam our highest tiers and take all attention away from serious mainstream works.
Complete lack of popularity also makes it hard to verify their reliability, and fictions that purposefully try to break our tiering system would spam our highest tiers and take all attention away from serious mainstream works.
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I was referring to the Suggsverse and similar fictions. I do not want this to be used as a precedent to allow anything whatsoever into the wiki, as it would quickly turn into a bad joke. We need some sort of standards.
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Maybe it's best not to make the profile. It's infamous, to put it lightly.
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Edit: That's also not rly an argument. "Being bad" shouldn't warrant a wiki ban for a verse. The vast majority of ppl commenting here (including staff) agreed to that already.
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It's not like ID has almost no popularity/notoriety. As the article Asura linked says, it's one of the most popular web novels in Korea.
As much as I don't care whether it stays or not, I can't find a good reason to delete it.
As much as I don't care whether it stays or not, I can't find a good reason to delete it.
- It has notoriety outside of vs debating circles.
- It's coherent enough for pages to be made.
- It doesn't break the tiering system.
- We don't have an issue with bad works (first one that comes to my mind is Hong Kong 97 but I know that there's dozens of others on the site).
- We don't have an issue with self-published works (Parahumans (Verse), basically any web-novel or web-comic we have).
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Hong Kong 97 should just be deleted. Along with Man with No Name (Town with No Name), Annoying Orange, and any other characters of similar quality. These products, along with invisible dragon, are objectively the most terribly produced products ever made. Plus they definitely break the "coherent" priority as they are about as coherent as a train crash.
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Seriously, quality of the verse makes no sense as a reason for deleting a profile, not only is The Law of Identity allowed here despite the awful quality of the writting of the series, we tier her as one of the strongest characters on our wiki, to the point she used to be Tier 0 until the new system brought the hammer. So yeah, bad written and OP aren't reasons to delete a profile at all.
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There is also the slime WN which is arguably worse in terms of writing than ID. It doesn't have the grammar or spelling issues, but it's structure is so bad that I was completely lost after just a couple chapters, not knowing who was talking to whome when where when why and about what. It was awful. The argument "the story itself is too bad" is even worse, since that is immensely subjective. It's like saying a specific type of music should be banned coz it's bad or a certain flavor of ice cream.
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